Mafia 42 - Space Ghost Coast to Coast - OFFICIAL GAME THREAD

[Vecna]

Is anyone else looking at ghug currently? Reading back through is posts something seems different from how he usually has played as town. Lots of his posts are one sentence responses to various ideas put out by other people, but they're very surface level reactions as opposed to deep insight. I'm wondering if this is him trying to avoid drawing attention to himself?

Then look at the end of day 1! He's suprised ND was lynched despite having his vote parked on ND for the entire day and not putting forward any other ideas? Doesn't seem like a ghug play.

##vote ghug

This post really shouldve given people pause for voting THD tbh

[Vecna]

This almost sounds like a scumslip knowing that THD is scum.

Or just some terrible reasoning, because scum would totally love the scrutiny for being on a vanity wagon right?

Damo is probably scum as well here

Then join me on the thd vote

This is the damo I want to see

{move tiny rat, ruuuuun}

[Vecna]

Lol love the exclamation point

I love the high quality analysis and counterarguments you're providing

I'm trying to decide if your argument is scummy or just bad.

I've played exclusively from my phone for about two years at this point, so my posts are rarely long. A generous view would write that off as you remembering an old me. Less generous is that you're grasping at straws. I disagree that my reactions are more surface level than deep insight.

I was the third ND voter to voice surprise at his being lynched, and I did so after the first two were called out. It seems odd to only notice or care about this from me and to not understand the context of the statement when I quoted that context in the post where I made it. Kinda feels like you're looking at me in isolation on the bot and just trying to pick out things you think look bad. This is a point I'm struggling to find an alternative innocent explanation for.

As for the surprise itself, it's entirely reasonable. A notable thing happened. Again, I could see you finding it odd that I didn't more aggressively throw my vote around and push a lynch because you remember an older me, but I'm tired of leading every day one lynch, and I have been for a while.

In a more general sense, I'm surprised you don't scumread me for being less screaming than usual, because that usually does correlate with my being scum, and I've been expecting to get more heat for it.

Still scumreading thd.

Yeah im definitely coming around to a potential scumread on Ghug. Such long and coherant posts that make you just wanna feel good about him and pat him on the back of his head.

But theyre always meticulously crafted by scumGhug.

Damn Ghug, you good at that shit.

[Vecna]

why is it bad logic?

Because Than moving his vote to Thdfrance instead of ND doesn't townclear him, even if thd is scum (in this case, yes, he get some points, but bussing is always possible, Jamiet just won a game bussing Xorxes like this at EOD1). And if thd isn't scum there is a lot of reasons to change his vote instead of parking on a vanity wagon, like other scumbos already voting ND..

If tham was scum why would he bother switching at all? If thd is town it would be risking a tie, if thd is scum I suppose a gambling bus is just about possible but I just don't buy it. So, although not technically a townclear I'd put it at 95%+ town and will carry on with a working assumption thamrick is town.

Although I understand your reasoning, do take into consideration that making multiple competing town wagons is always extremely +ev for scum. Making those wagons appear to be "saving someone" will often result in more mislynches.

[Vecna]

Hey guys. I am back after a busy working week. I still feel I have things to prove at my new job so it has been rather long days.

Anyhow since I voted CFOX yesterday, I did ISO him again just now. Still he is spamming quite a lot but once in a while he puts is some stuff relating to the game and those pieces give me an towny impression. So I do not think I will vote CFOX on D2. Next I will do some other ISOs of people I find suspicious. Good that it is Saturday tomorrow and I will have some hours where I can read up on the full thead before EoD2 and put in a new fresh vote.

Still completely blank on Peter. Ugh.

And I cannot even blame him for not being able to produce content, since even I cannot keep up over a weekend with the speed its moving at.

[Vecna]

What are your other reasons for scumreading Quas so much, other than this:
"LQuas - you advocate more posts but also not thorough [reading] of thread. This is contradictory. And I don't like it."

Personally I felt like you took it a little out of context: He was responding to an attitude problem that some players seemed to have--to which he said something along the lines of (what I understood to be), skimming is better than not reading at all, skimming and responding is better than just skimming, and actively reading and participating is the best.

but he didn't say that

I literally did actually :)

##Vote damo666

he TMId thd scum and that's why tham is a town as a result. He should have literally no idea that's the case as he's claiming he only wants to lynch thd for an info lynch and then evaluate based on what happens

but then he assumes he's flipping some alignment before it even happens

also his defense of thd as soon as he self voted was like, ???

how is that enough to convince you he's town but then also town CLEAR someone because if thd is a wolf then that vote that they made doesn't make sense, it's dumb

as a total aside Tom says what I'm thinking when I'm away from the thread, tentatively moving him back to the town core

Guess I can -somewhat- see why you thought this weird, but how did you not pick up on the honesty in Damo's posting on the previous pages here? Even brain is telling you the truth in the post straight after.

[Vecna]

Not yet

Not drinking today too, not at beach anymore

I don't think Damo bad logic on town cleaning Tham is scummy, what would be a scum motivation to do this? I find the focus on info more worrying as it's usually a scum tactics to avoid real reads and it's exactly what I was pushing on Dargo.

this is also super super scummy, what do you mean what is a scum's logic to try and push false clears. One, if they're a buddy you now have a cleared buddy, and two, if they're town you can claim "look I town read this guy correctly sheep me"

The point is actually correct. Being wrong is not always scummy if the reasoning is town logic that doesnt come from scum. Also scum wouldnt be so blatant to try and use bad logic on a widely scumread person, because who is that honestly gonna convince.

[Vecna]

Ezio - Genuinely not that interested in responding to things re the MF questions which gives him some easily avoidable heat.

MF - Pressured ezio to respond but just never voted for him and just kinda let it drop. While I do townread him its possible they're scum together. It was an odd interaction.

Brain has just felt weird all game. He isn't really pushing that much and his last vote wasn't inspiring - definitely one of my top scum reads, the claim could have been an attempt to out the actual doctor as well

Vapor seemed D1 to be playing like he held more information and wanted the game to develop faster and isn't really doing much other than agreeing with Tom - scumread

Cfox seems probs town, every so often he contributes something worth reading I guess

RHK seems town

There are a lot of nulls rn

That wasn't as wall-y as I expected

Minor townpoints for this post as it at least feels a little more genuine'ish. Still nothing near enough to devellop any type of real read on Neph

[Vecna]

the bozo wagon is legit dumb can we cut that out for now? It was based on a red peek that was made as a joke by bb to make fun of people complaining about seer cover

Wasn't it based on bozo's reaction to said "peek"? I'm fine with that wagon, might join it.

^ reminder. Think he was one of the people that forced THd through.

Still have this weird feeling that xorxes is still maybe just town.....but ugh. No evidence I can point to for that feeling, so it sucks.

[Vecna]

Damo was on my lynchable list… and he caught my attention when complaining about shitposts, but today spent more time guessing acronyms and one-lining. But his vote on the brain, after damo stated that he had no case on anyone (and asked for someone to persuade him, which no one had…) hit me wrong. And when I noted that this vote gives us a three way tie, I am happy to switch to him.
##VOTE damo666

yikes

[Vecna]

Ok this is my first stab at naming the scumteam

brain, LordQ, Vecna, DT + any 2 from Ezio, Vapor, Darg, MF

All of these are town, with the exception of Darg

[Vecna]

The fact they have to overcome being associated with mu to have their playstyles and opinions taken seriously is the reason why players like ghug feed into that divide to avoid the noose. this furthers why ghug uses divisive tactics to confuse town.

Brainbomb actually town

[Vecna]

The fact they have to overcome being associated with mu to have their playstyles and opinions taken seriously is the reason why players like ghug feed into that divide to avoid the noose. this furthers why ghug uses divisive tactics to confuse town.

The first part I feel was heavily pushed by Jamie, other's not as much. It might just be, these aren't the best words, but "overformality"? Or a correlating between the formalness of typing and the level of seriousness--it's something a lot of people do, consciously or unconsciously.

And for the divide, do you mean as in how ghug mimics it (stereotype) occasionally, and switches back and forth from acting like how damo did earlier, and acting like Cfox?

I think ghug is relying on buzz concepts to push people
-x is spamming
-x is annoying
-x claimed lets policy lynch claims

there is no process of elimination. he cuts down players of different opinions and makes them less incentivized to be open about their world views

He's just very elaborate, and carefull not to piss off the type of players thatll get him lynched.

Like you stated, scum Ghug is carefull about whom he buddies

[Vecna]

most of my analysis with Jamie shows theres no real clear scumteam with Jamie.

Dont read shit along these lines man.......its so easy to be unconnected to your teammates.

[Vecna]

this day feels uttely devoid of useful posts by anyone.

its actually pretty great to reflect on in hindsight.

[Vecna]

wow i want vecana to give an all new reads list and commentary
3 posts today

Oh its coming alright. A bit late, and its sad I wasnt here during D2, but meh. My PoE pool and gamesolve is feeling rather robust and Im having a high degree of confidence in my current reads.

[Vecna]

the bozo wagon is legit dumb can we cut that out for now? It was based on a red peek that was made as a joke by bb to make fun of people complaining about seer cover

Wasn't it based on bozo's reaction to said "peek"? I'm fine with that wagon, might join it.

This is inaccurate, or at least not based on fact. No one voting for me stated that as their reason. When xorxes is inaccurate I suspect he is scum. Also, I think xorxes as town would have voted for me by now if he thinks I am a good wagon instead of saying he might.

##VOTE xorxes

Interesting. Strong observation or trying to distance from a teammate in case he got lynched?

[Vecna]

bozotheclown - slight town - I don't get the case against him today. Seems like a genuine reaction to bb claiming a guilty scan on him, regardless of it coming from bb.

brainbomb - probably scum - doesn't feel right. Time will tell... 389 fake claims later.

CrimsonFox - town - probably could fake it, but seems genuinely casual.

damo666 - town - analyzing game info as it comes, bucking the consensus reads. Pretty confident he's town.

dargorygel - slight scum - several posts that indicate he isn't reading the game, but still shading others as scum with unupdated info. Feels like he's lazily trying to be involved.

DemonRHK - slight town - gut read. Low content, but I've been picking up what he's putting down in them.

DoubtingThomas - town - fluid reads, seems to genuinely look for motivation behind posts and reads. Firmly town in my book.

e.m.c^42 - slight town - probably town. Plenty of posts that strike me the right way, plenty that strike me the wrong way.

Ezio - slight town - really disliked his post about LQ being kicked from MU, but most of the other things have felt more in line with his town meta.

ghug - town - quite possibly the only game where I've felt very in-line with what ghug is thinking. Probably means he's scum.

Jamiet99uk - town

LordQuas - null - something feels off. I don't like the catch-up posts. Seems like an easy way to appear to be helpful while also shaping the narrative for those not following along closely.

MoscowFleet - slight town to null - I was a fan of his EoD. Still unsure but leaning town

Nephthys - slight town - good first impression

peterlund - null at best

RagingIke - null to slight scum - don't like the whole "I can't believe I didn't get flack for dropping a vote on Jamiet and leaving" litmus test. Seems oddly focused on himself in a lot of posts.

rdrivera2005 - slight town - admittedly, I think rdr is one of the toughest players to read. Pushing others' analyses is pro-town though and I see it a lot from rdr

thdfrance - slight scum - backed off my scumread of him at EoD when he switched his vote off of CFox late with the vote tied between CFox and himself. The late EoD movement though back to CFox was strange, and the AtE today brings him back into suspicion.

Tom Bombadil - null to slight town - nothing strongly stands out to me. Agree with several of his reads, but mostly null for now.

Vaporwave - slight scum - several posts rub me the wrong way. Says bozo seems scummy for being upset at bb for calling for a desperado shot "even though it was deserved."

Vecna - town - solid play, good EoD. Probably my strongest townread right now.

xorxes - null - seems slightly passive. No real positive impact stands out to me, which in itself seems off from xorxes, but I'll withhold judgement for now.

Well at least this readspost is decent enough. Not quite sure if it comes from himself or is just copying others opinions since there is nothing in the thread that lets us know how he reaches these conclusions

[Vecna]

mu players are havinh way too much on faith reads on me and I dont trust LQ or DT for that.

the webdippies have come at me in semi predictable ways. Ive been absent 6 months from big games. People invent meta for me when they think its a fun thing to try to do.

I am ever changing and sometimes I just simply dont wanna waste my breath herding people onto wagons theyll just mock me for.

Honest frustration. The case on Ghug was actually very solid and worth consideration.

[damo666]

@Vecna. Great series of posts. I trust you're gonna give us a read summary when you're finished.