Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[Foxcastle]

If Yoyo is going to play, I don't need a pressure vote on his predecessor.

##VOTE BALKI

[bozotheclown]

It seems to me that voting records are being overemphasized for scum reads. Based on my somewhat limited experience, the mafia that make it deep in the game typically do a good job making sure their voting records look OK. For example, Foxcastle, who won the last game for the scum team, voted for scum sometime during the day 6 out of 9 days that game, and ended on scum 5 out of 9 days.

[bozotheclown]

@Tom: I agree Foxcastle's vote for Rjmcf D2 should not contribute much to his town read, see above.

[Balki Bartokomous]

If Yoyo is going to play, I don't need a pressure vote on his predecessor.

[][]VOTE BALKI

That's two on me, and makes me a viable wagon.

I think this is a pretty important vote, and y'all should remember who made it, should I flip.

Taking a step back, we're in great shape, and we have enough clears and hidden PRs that we may be able to kill all the non-clears before Mafia kill all the clears, especially considering Cop is still hidden and may have some scans. I'm pretty sure that I need to be killed before end game, either by lynch or gun shot, so long as real cop hasn't scanned me.

Real Cop, you should consider whether you have enough scan results to make this auto now. Think about how many PRs we have, how many scans you have, and how many people are left in the non-clear group. Basically, Town has to kill everyone in the non-clear group before Mafia kills all our clears. If we can definitely do that, we're in auto-win territory.

Frankly, I have a busy week starting tomorrow, and if I'm just an unclear, I don't mind going early. By about tomorrow, we should have our clears leading the lynches anyway, and there's not a whole lot to do for the non-clears except die and make the POE easier.

[Foxcastle]

Here's another point on Balki that bothers me, that he was also on about during Day 3... This confidence that we're about to win, that town is doing so well that we should let PRs come out of hiding. "I feel like we are almost in auto-win territory here." That's on Page 111, right before we lose two townies. Maybe he's conscious that, as scum, they are about to be doing very well indeed, and he wants to hide that emotion into a townie disguise so it doesn't stand out.

[bozotheclown]

@MeanLaQueefa:

Why do you think the mafia would have NKed brain N2 if he proved he was not the real cop by claiming an innocent scan on scum instead of trying to NK a real PR, especially since brain's claim had the potential of drawing the watcher?

[thamrick]

@Balki - what do you make of the significance of the reedeer RB claim from N1?

[bozotheclown]

@Maniac: I disagree that D2 shows much about Vashta. When you narrowed your lynch pool to Vashta, Rjmcf, and yavuzovic, you could not expect any scum to jump on yavuzovic if Vashta and Rjmcf were both scum knowing how bad it would eventually look.

[bo_sox48]

Guess who got called into work this morningggggg

Who should I vote for

[thamrick]

@Maniac: I disagree that D2 shows much about Vashta. When you narrowed your lynch pool to Vashta, Rjmcf, and yavuzovic, you could not expect any scum to jump on yavuzovic if Vashta and Rjmcf were both scum knowing how bad it would eventually look.

Even with your logic, they would have pushed for Yav more, especially considering him being pretty widely scumread. There had already been 2 votes on him that day. Even if they hadn't ended on the Yav wagon, I feel like if RJ and Vash were both scum, especially with RJ being Witch, there would have been some discussion about Yav at EoD. There was none iirc

[bozotheclown]

I question rdrivera implying that he is not likely to bus. I have played a game when he was scum and I know he is capable of bussing.

[bozotheclown]

@thamrick:

Perhaps, but the most active Vashta has been was when he showed up to defend himself D2, and he did not have much of a defense.

[thamrick]

@Bozo - Vash votes RJ before he was included in the Maniac lynch pool. I can see pro-town and pro-scum arguments to this. Tom, Foxy, and ND were on RJ prior to that.

There is literally no discussion of Yav after my vote of him other than MLQ saying "I don't think Yav or Vash have the votes to get lynched."

[bozotheclown]

MLQ still sounds like scum to me. It would interesting if MLQ and Balki were both scum.

##VOTE MeanLaQueefa

[thamrick]

@Bozo - Vash votes RJ before he was included in the Maniac lynch pool. I can see pro-town and pro-scum arguments to this. Tom, Foxy, and ND were on RJ prior to that.

There is literally no discussion of Yav after my vote of him other than MLQ saying "I don't think Yav or Vash have the votes to get lynched."

My vote of him was 49 mins out, right after Maniac added him to the lynch pool. Maniac revised the lynch pool to only include Yav, Vash and RJ with 13 mins remaining.

[bozotheclown]

@thamrick:

There is no interest in a Vashta lynch today, but I think he still needs to be considered.

[RagingIke297]

Day 4 Vote Count 2.0

MeanLaQueefa (4): Balki Bartokomous, rdrivera2005, Tom Bombadil, Bozotheclown
Balki Bartokomous (2): MeanLaQueefa, Foxcastle
bo_sox48 (2): thamrick, reedeer1
thamrick (1): VashtaNeurotic
rdrivera2005 (1): DemonRHK
captainmeme (1): Maniac

Bo and Yoyo still need to vote

Currently MeanLaQueefa is set to be lynched, you have LESS THAN 1 hour remaining

GM note: Please be patient with the GM's today, HR is working late and I'm headed out for a birthday dinner immediately after EOD

[thamrick]

@Ike - you could consider asking Brainbomb to help you verify vote counts or something. I see him online. Feel free to not respond and ignore. Just a suggestion.

[thamrick]

@Balki - what do you make of the significance of the reedeer RB claim from N1?

Bump

[Balki Bartokomous]

I don't think I can be on for EOD.

If I flip, please look at or consider the following:

(1) Go back and read everything MLQ says about Jamiet on Day 1. She said all that thinking that Jamiet would not flip. He did! Just go to the Peterbot and search for MLQ posts that use the word "Jamiet."

(2) Read Bo's interactions with RJ on Day 2. For this one, you really have to do it in the forum itself because sometimes Bo refers to RJ's full name, and sometimes he just says "RJ." Also, you need to see the context of their interactions together.

(3) Don't let captainmeme's "I'm going to let the Mods mod-kill me cause I'm jsut a VT" sway you. We've given that slot every excuse to do nothing. If captainmeme were scum, and he knew he just didn't have time and would be replaced out, how would he have played that differently? Also, he wasn't under much pressure for a lynch in the thread, why wasn't he worried about reducing the potential pool of PRs for scum kills?

I don't know...this is all reason why Darg/Meme/Yoyo's actions are NAI as opposed to scum-indicative. But I just don't want to see town lose by giving this slot a pass. Hopefully Yoyo will engage eventually.