Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

Jailor cannot consec
Doc cannot consec

if Doc is Jailed they didnt act, their action was stopped.
In that situation doc could target consec

##CALL GM

If the doctor's target is jailed, can the doctor target him again the next night?

yes because the target is unreachable so theres no visit

Askia is doctor for N5, so we can verify Foxcastle's role by having Foxcastle save Jamie and Jamie scan Foxcastle, since damo can't jail Jamie consecutive nights.

[Foxcastle]

Okay, I thought Jamiet had asked earlier and gotten a ruling consistent with my last post. But I'll be jailed again anyway, I expect.

Anyone other bright ideas?

[bozotheclown]

Okay, I thought Jamiet had asked earlier and gotten a ruling consistent with my last post. But I'll be jailed again anyway, I expect.

Anyone other bright ideas?

Right, damo can jail you and kill Jamie. You had this well planned out.

[bozotheclown]

Now we know why Foxcastle was jailed N3 without Jamie being killed.

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM

If the doctor's target is jailed, can the doctor target him again the next night?

yes because the target is unreachable so theres no visit

Askia is doctor for N5, so we can verify Foxcastle's role by having Foxcastle save Jamie and Jamie scan Foxcastle, since damo can't jail Jamie consecutive nights.

This looks suspiciously like a Bozo who doesn't want to be scanned.

[Foxcastle]

Now we know why Foxcastle was jailed N3 without Jamie being killed.

Personally, I think N3 was an error by the scumteam. This idea that there are grand plans and long-running schemes and clever gambits is usually false, and the scumteam is disorganized and impulsive.

And I think you could very well be scum and setting me up to take the fall in the 2-1 LyLo that you've clearly been planning and pushing for.

[Foxcastle]

I've ordered my save on Jamiet. Are we end-hammering the night?

[bozotheclown]

And I have some information about...
Foxcastle.

I did not get a message saying I saved you, Jamiet. Were you the target?

(I have to go get dinner now, switching to mobile. But Jamiet should get on with either letting people know he scanned me and that I'm actually Askia/doctor, or that he was saved and I'm actually askia/doctor.)

Okay. Here is my information:

Foxcastle is telling the truth about the existence of a Jailor.

I did not scan Foxcastle. Instead, I attempted to scan Bozotheclown.

However, before I could investigate Bozo, I was thrown into Jail and therefore prevented from taking any further action.

Therefore I believe we can be sure of the following facts:

1. Foxcastle told the truth when he said there is a Jailor. This does not confirm he is Doctor, but does mean he didn't lie about the Jailor.
(This causes me to reflect on Damo screaming "THERE IS NO JAILER" over and over. I will have questions for Damo shortly).

2. Scum targeted the person who just happens to be the Serial Killer.

Well, Jamiet's revelation isn't what I thought, and is less ideal than a clear scan, but it's good enough.

Foxcastle slipped here. He first says he did not get a message saying Jamie was saved. Then later Foxcastle says Jamie should announce that he scanned him, or that he was saved. He should not have given away that he already knew Jamie was not saved. Of course, Foxcastle knew that Jamie did not scan him or get saved by him, because he knew damo jailed him.

[Foxcastle]

Actually, I won't end before Jamiet has a chance to weigh in. And I'm logging off shortly, so apologies if I'm the hold out until morning, but I'm not going to risk ending early.

[bozotheclown]

yes because the target is unreachable so theres no visit

Askia is doctor for N5, so we can verify Foxcastle's role by having Foxcastle save Jamie and Jamie scan Foxcastle, since damo can't jail Jamie consecutive nights.

This looks suspiciously like a Bozo who doesn't want to be scanned.

Scanning me would rule me out, but as Foxcastle pointed out, you are not going to survive tonight, because Foxcastle can claim he was jailed allowing you to be NKed.

[bozotheclown]

Actually, I won't end before Jamiet has a chance to weigh in. And I'm logging off shortly, so apologies if I'm the hold out until morning, but I'm not going to risk ending early.

Only scum can hammer the night.

[Foxcastle]

That's not a slip, Bozo, it's a crosspost. And while it's common that the doctor gets a message telling him he saved his target, it's not clear in this game, so I wanted Jamiet to make it clear.

[Foxcastle]

Actually, I won't end before Jamiet has a chance to weigh in. And I'm logging off shortly, so apologies if I'm the hold out until morning, but I'm not going to risk ending early.

Only scum can hammer the night.

You are not just grasping at straws trying to to find anything that makes me look scummy. See the GM's note below.

NIGHT BEGINS, and will end at normal time tomorrow at 5PM CDT.
You may PM us to hammer the night but it must be unanimous by all players


You may post

[bozotheclown]

That's not a slip, Bozo, it's a crosspost. And while it's common that the doctor gets a message telling him he saved his target, it's not clear in this game, so I wanted Jamiet to make it clear.

You cross posted with yourself?

[bozotheclown]

I did not get a message saying I saved you, Jamiet. Were you the target?

If Foxcastle was the doctor who protected Jamie and did not get a save report, he would know Jamie was not the target. This question is a fabrication to look like he did not know what happened.

(I have to go get dinner now, switching to mobile. But Jamiet should get on with either letting people know he scanned me and that I'm actually Askia/doctor, or that he was saved and I'm actually askia/doctor.)

If Foxcastle was the doctor who protected Jamie and did not get a save report, he would know that Jamie announcing he was saved was not an option. This is another fabricated question to look like he does not know what Jamie is going to announce. Foxcastle is also trying to indicate that he thinks these are the only two options.

[bozotheclown]

The question everyone had was why would scum jail Foxcastle and not jail Jamie. Here damo gives some potential reasons, so the scum was obviously trying to cause confusion.

This is indeed mighty confusing.

Jamie - I assume you scanned Flash. Is this right?

Like LQ I'm at a bit of a loss as to why Jamie wasn't killed. Fox saved him and lied about being jailed. Can't see why he'd do that. Dismiss.

Scum were fearful of Jamie being watched. Possible but tad far fetched? Opinions invited.

Scum misplayed. Possible. (Especially if demonRHK scum lol).

Scum trying to muddy waters. Most likely imo.

Jamie not actually England. Unlikely due to lack of cc BUT if you were England would you cc and be exposed. I wouldn't .

I did NOT jail FOX.

I have a hunch Worcej is SK (basically OMGUS).

My lynchpool is Fox/LQ/Jamie/Worcej. I think demon is scum but lower down the lynch table.

Gonna ponder some more and consider what scumteams work and post later.

Meanwhile ##vote LordQ

What really happened was the scum decided to use the jailor power to try to get damo or Foxcastle cleared. They knew they could jail Foxcastle N3, Jamie N4, and Foxcastle N5, so that Jamie could never scan Foxcastle or confirm a save from Foxcastle. The only risk was letting Jamie get a scan report N3, but the scum were probably confident Jamie would not scan damo or Durga N3. Jailing Foxcastle also protected him from the SK, as Foxcastle was a reason SK target since he was being scum read. They knew having Foxcastle claim the jailing N3 would eventually result in damo or Foxcastle getting lynched, but would make the other look good. Also, if there was a watcher watching Foxcastle N3, the watcher would see him being jailed, making it look like the scum was jailing the town doctor.

[bozotheclown]

That should read not kill Jamie.

[bozotheclown]

I don't know why everyone voted to end D5 so quickly, worcej seemed willing to help town, he could have given us more information.

[bozotheclown]

Now we know why Foxcastle was jailed N3 without Jamie being killed.

Personally, I think N3 was an error by the scumteam. This idea that there are grand plans and long-running schemes and clever gambits is usually false, and the scumteam is disorganized and impulsive.

And I think you could very well be scum and setting me up to take the fall in the 2-1 LyLo that you've clearly been planning and pushing for.

Why wouldn't I be trying to get to 2-1 lylo? It was towns only chance.

Also, are you saying you think that Durga, damo, and I, with scum chat always available, were so disorganized we forgot to kill Jamie, the confirmed town role cop, after having damo use he universal backup power to take the jailor power and jail the town doctor?

[Nephthys]

So Bozo claims Vikings / Tracker.

This however could be a fakeclaim.

@Nethpys: Why are you acting as if you are townclear? You are not.

What is the point of this question? It seems quite clear to me that most people are only considering bozo/fox. I may not have been mechanically TC but it seems as though I may as well have been.