Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[LordQuas]

worce, join me on damo and I'll kill durga tonight?

[LordQuas]

I'm kind of curious, is someone actually russia? Would I have gotten fucked by a cc if I had claimed?

[Jamiet99uk]

I don't feel like Durga is scum.

[DemonRHK]

I'm kind of curious, is someone actually russia? Would I have gotten fucked by a cc if I had claimed?

I wouldn’t think so, the point of a fake claim list, I would think, is a clean ID in case of mass claim.

[Jamiet99uk]

I'm kind of curious, is someone actually russia? Would I have gotten fucked by a cc if I had claimed?

I wouldn’t think so, the point of a fake claim list, I would think, is a clean ID in case of mass claim.

He's the SK, not Mafia. He doesn't get the fakeclaim list.... does he?

[Durga]

If you lynch damo and he's scum and sk kills me tonight (and mafia kills another town) then it's 3-2-1 and town can't kill sk without losing to mafia, and town can't kill mafia without losing to sk or to mafia. 3-1-1 means sk hits town to make it 2-1-1, here town lose no matter who we lynch. Just consider that there is no way sk would advocate for this unless it means a potential win for him. At least with 4-3 we have a chance. Mafia still have a chance to win if we lynch them this phase, but I don't think we do.

[LordQuas]

I'm kind of curious, is someone actually russia? Would I have gotten fucked by a cc if I had claimed?

I wouldn’t think so, the point of a fake claim list, I would think, is a clean ID in case of mass claim.

He's the SK, not Mafia. He doesn't get the fakeclaim list.... does he?

Nope

[LordQuas]

If you lynch damo and he's scum and sk kills me tonight (and mafia kills another town) then it's 3-2-1 and town can't kill sk without losing to mafia, and town can't kill mafia without losing to sk or to mafia. 3-1-1 means sk hits town to make it 2-1-1, here town lose no matter who we lynch. Just consider that there is no way sk would advocate for this unless it means a potential win for him. At least with 4-3 we have a chance. Mafia still have a chance to win if we lynch them this phase, but I don't think we do.

Well what's a better target then. Because here's the thing, if we reach 3-2-1 I lose the game as well

Mafia always wins from 3-2-1 right now. I genuinely want to kill and lynch another Mafia this night, or no lynch today, as I genuinely just lose if a town dies right?

[Foxcastle]

I wouldn’t think so, the point of a fake claim list, I would think, is a clean ID in case of mass claim.

He's the SK, not Mafia. He doesn't get the fakeclaim list.... does he?

Nope

Please rectify your answer with the GM's post here:

and before you ask, yes the sk also has a fake claimable role too.

[LordQuas]

He's the SK, not Mafia. He doesn't get the fakeclaim list.... does he?

Nope

Please rectify your answer with the GM's post here:

and before you ask, yes the sk also has a fake claimable role too.

ruh roh

[LordQuas]

wait no I get one fake role not the whole list that still checks out

[Foxcastle]

wait no I get one fake role not the whole list that still checks out

A list with one item is still a list. Well, technically. Just like that ^ may have been technically true, and yet seems like you were hiding things from us that might help us sort some more identities out...

[LordQuas]

wait no I get one fake role not the whole list that still checks out

A list with one item is still a list. Well, technically. Just like that ^ may have been technically true, and yet seems like you were hiding things from us that might help us sort some more identities out...

I really thought you meant the entire Mafia fake claim list

[LordQuas]

The fake claim I was provided was Russia as I've stated

Tho I now realize I'm a mong and asked if anyone got Russia LMAO

[bozotheclown]

@Worcej:

Just to be clear, are you aware that if SK survives until 2 scum and 0 town remain, SK wins and game ends?

Yes, I am. But I think right now we need SK to give us a better chance long term.

Lets say we end up at 3-3-1 on D5. I would push again for a no lynch. Reason: scum would need to hold their NK because killing a town would be dangerous if SK hits them. SK has to kill and would need to hit scum. We would most likely go to 3-2-1 and then get an SK or scum via lynch.

Durga is right, if we get to 3-3-1 we are either going to lose to the scum or lose to the SK.

[bozotheclown]

The fake claim I was provided was Russia as I've stated

Tho I now realize I'm a mong and asked if anyone got Russia LMAO

Nice try, but this makes you look like scum, not SK.

[bozotheclown]

If you lynch damo and he's scum and sk kills me tonight (and mafia kills another town) then it's 3-2-1 and town can't kill sk without losing to mafia, and town can't kill mafia without losing to sk or to mafia. 3-1-1 means sk hits town to make it 2-1-1, here town lose no matter who we lynch. Just consider that there is no way sk would advocate for this unless it means a potential win for him. At least with 4-3 we have a chance. Mafia still have a chance to win if we lynch them this phase, but I don't think we do.

Durga is correct.

[bozotheclown]

##Unvote

@Quas: One of damo or fox has to be scum, which is it? What was your fakeclaim role?

my fake claim role was going to be russia, not a vanilla but for all intents and purposes it is

ignores some of the typical suspicion while being treated as a vanilla for role cop

Here LordQuas explains why he was going to choose Russia as a fake claim, thinking the SK was not provided fake claim roles like the scum were.

The fake claim I was provided was Russia as I've stated

Tho I now realize I'm a mong and asked if anyone got Russia LMAO

Here he says he was assigned Russia as a fake claim role.

LordQuas is scum, not SK.

[Foxcastle]

I know others have already done a lot of the math here... But I want to talk this out to myself. And I think I've concluded I'd prefer to lynch LordQuas rather than let him be the hinge on which the outcome of the game turns.

We are at 5-3-1.
We lynch SK to 5-3.
NK to 4-3 and are at LYLO. We have good scum candidates, but also enough scum left that could cause fuckery.

Or...

We are at 5-3-1 and we lynch scum to 5-2-1.
NK to 4-2-1, and then the timeline splits...

1) ... If SK hits scum, it's 4-1-1 and we can lynch SK on D5, town loses one to the NK on N5, and we have a good shot at 3-1 on D6.

2) ... If SK hits town, it's 3-2-1, and is a bit messy. We have to lynch scum on D5 then, otherwise it's 3-2 and the NK makes it 2-2. So it's 3-1-1, and the NK makes it 2-1-1, and if the SK hits scum, town wins, and if he hits town... it's a different mess.

Or...

We are at 5-3-1.
We mislynch to 4-3-1.
NK to 3-3-1. Best case is that SK hits scum and puts it at back at 3-2-1, which is the messy situation back up there in timeline 2. Worst case scenario is SK hits town and it's 3-2-1 and scum wins.

SO... the question is do we want to lynch the SK today and have a high-stakes day tomorrow where we absolutely must lynch scum. Or do we put the game in the hands of Lord Quas, who is not a townie and does not share our win condition; and even in the best case scenarios where we don't lynch him, he has enormous power of the outcome of the game, and we don't control him, and I haven't even looked at his reads lately to see how much I agree with them. But even if I did, what's to keep him from changing his mind?

(And I tried to be careful, but possibly made mistakes in my calculations... Sorry if I did.)

[bozotheclown]

Or maybe LordQuas is now trying to undercut his own SK claim.