Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[Durga]

Hmmmm.... morning coffee in hand, I have a feeling something scummy is in the works right now:

Lynching the SK benefits the scum the most. We can still win if the SK is alive, but the scum’s chance is lowered significantly with the presence of an entity that is hunting them at night. Potentially going down to two scum for D5 hinders their chance of controlling the lynch and winning D6.

How do we still win? When do we lynch sk over mafia? Why does sk hit mafia over town when they're practically immune against mafia and it'll force town to lynch mafia over sk??

[Durga]

Who tf goes 'this is scummy' but follows it anyway

[Foxcastle]

If Squigs' +1 spree managed to draw attention to SK and scum, he deserves an MVP nomination.

The case on Lord Quas is compelling, and I'd vote for him. But I also want to ##VOTE DAMO to make it a real competition (rather than versus no-lynch). That might tell us something later.

[Durga]

If Squigs' +1 spree managed to draw attention to SK and scum, he deserves an MVP nomination.

The case on Lord Quas is compelling, and I'd vote for him. But I also want to ##VOTE DAMO to make it a real competition (rather than versus no-lynch). That might tell us something later.

?? What is this going to tell us? Are you going for sk or mafia??

[Foxcastle]

If Squigs' +1 spree managed to draw attention to SK and scum, he deserves an MVP nomination.

The case on Lord Quas is compelling, and I'd vote for him. But I also want to ##VOTE DAMO to make it a real competition (rather than versus no-lynch). That might tell us something later.

?? What is this going to tell us? Are you going for sk or mafia??

I don't know what it might tell us, but it might be interesting. And I would prefer to lynch either of them, since there's not a SK case on LordQuas and we know that one of them is the Universal Backup. Although, now that I think it through out loud, LordQuas is the correct lynch, because I don't really see Damo as SK. So if Lord Quas flips town OR SK, we still know Damo is scum. And if he flips scum, we've still caught scum...

##VOTE LORDQUAS

[Foxcastle]

If Squigs' +1 spree managed to draw attention to SK and scum, he deserves an MVP nomination.

The case on Lord Quas is compelling, and I'd vote for him. But I also want to ##VOTE DAMO to make it a real competition (rather than versus no-lynch). That might tell us something later.

?? What is this going to tell us? Are you going for sk or mafia??

I don't know what it might tell us, but it might be interesting. And I would prefer to lynch either of them, since there's not a SK case on Damo and we know that one of them is the Universal Backup. Although, now that I think it through out loud, LordQuas is the correct lynch, because I don't really see Damo as SK. So if Lord Quas flips town OR SK, we still know Damo is scum. And if he flips scum, we've still caught scum...

##VOTE LORDQUAS

I meant Damo in my previous post. THere's obviously a SK case on LQ.

[LordQuas]

I just realized something that I think provides a good explanation of what is going on. At this point in the game, if one of the scum is the universal backup, it is unlikely they are going to take the jailor power to jail a town Foxcastle, even if he is the town doctor. The best use of the jailor by scum is to jail another scum to protect him from the SK. Foxcastle was a good candidate for the SK to target, so it make sense for the scum to jail him to keep him safe from the SK. Foxcastle claimed being jailed in case he was watched, which would ID the jailor but make Foxcastle look good. This would mean that damo or LordQuas is the universal backup activated by Squigs, probably LordQuas which would explain why he is pushing his unlikely theory of Foxcastle as the SK. LordQuas also tried to discount Squigs +1s meaning anything.

this actually makes sense but I wouldn't likely be pushing me teammate as SK as it means A) the REAL SK just fuckin domes them tonight and B) they can never win

[LordQuas]

Hmmm bozo is talking about something other than mechanics... Might be town.

fuckin... that IS mechanics... talking about roles IS MECHANICS

[LordQuas]

I'm assuming we can post.

I was jailed.

And now I'm late for dinner and will deal when I'm back.

I think the only way this works is if there is a universal backup, only two people that have hit the 10 mark is Quas (48)/damo (12)

At least one of these has to be scum. A town jailor would not jail fox

##vote damo

I have only skimmed since EOD now that I'm back, and am about to be done for the day, but I do not understand why scum would jail me and then *not* kill Jamiet. The only thing I can think is that they are worried about Germany (the watcher) being in play, but they then run a significant risk of Jamiet getting a scan off. And that doesn't explain why they would risk implicating Damo or LordQuas as Universal Backup (possibly, though, they thought there was a chance I was lying about saving Jamiet and would try to save Crimson since he was townclear).

The Universal Backup means it's between Damo and Quas, and of those, I ##VOTE DAMO

Also, I still think DemonRHK is scum.

If the watcher saw anything (or should have seen something and didn't), now would be a good time to let us know...

##Vote damo

literally no point in voting elsewhere for me, everyone is so sure that they're right that they won't listen to anything anyone else says

this community as a whole has a serious problem with being all too confident about dumb things. Most of you blame GHUG HIMSELF for being the d1 lynch, yeah maybe he could have played harder to stay alive but he was bleeding town and you lynched him mostly cause you didn't like him

now you are coming up with the most hairbrained nonsensical stuff in order to lynch me

Demon, your analysis of roles is very very off. England is confirmed, we DON'T know that the backup is still in play that's a claim, we do know AMERICA is in play though

Barbs don't need to claim vanilla, at this point claiming vanilla would garner more attention. There are plenty of roles that return vanilla for other phases that would still return vanilla, plus they can just boldly claim something else if they are feeling pinned in order to try and disuade suspicion

the game really isn't stacked against us because of the way the fake claims worked (I think the most stacked part is what happened with the lack of protection for this many NKs, doc did not need to delay this long to activate etc), and just because you don't have any idea how to play a game that involves more solving then town of salem doesn't mean it's unfair

I think Foxc is the SK for reasons I've stated before, and I would rather kill someone like Demon today, but I don't think anyone is going to swing for that, and we need the SK alive so it's time to lynch a Vanilla Town

Jamie your "gotcha" on foxc was kinda dumb but he did have a bad reaction to it, but him being scum doesn't make much sense with the NKs, hence why he's SK. It fits perfectly

damo you said you wanted to lynch demon, I'm behind you 100% on that if you want to join

also darg is proooobably scum but I don't really want to touch that today

worce you still haven't been able to muster reasoning for why damo is SK beyond "I FEEL IT AND DON'T NEED TO EXPLAIN TO YOU IDIOT" so I think you're probably woofing at this point

my number one nteam is demon/darg/worcej with bozo fitting in to replace one

SK is probably foxc

post game credit town has lost

This could be the scum team trying to mislynch damo.

lolno, damo is far more likely to get lynched then foxc/me there. Plus why would foxc claim jail, I would rather he risks dying to watcher then implicate me and himself like this

and it still doesn't solve the problem of "why didn't we kill the cop"

[LordQuas]

The one thing that irks me about lq was how sensitive he was over my one vote on him. Like seriously majorly triggered

and why Jamie, our town cop was asking just as much questions about it? It's maybe b/c it was a booty vote

[LordQuas]

However, I'm not sure about the no lynch thing being scummy.

If the SK does not hit scum N4, no lynch pushes our mislynch from D4 to D5. LordQuas has argued this is a significant town benefit because the lynch pool will be reduced, but discounts my concern that lynching scum would still be harder with a higher percentage of the remaining players being scum.

bozo is literally ignoring a large part of the benefit of this no lynch, which is potentially a cop getting another peek or us having greater odds of dodging a NK, or getting a scum peek with the way NKs shape out

[LordQuas]

Hold on a sec shouldn't we really be lynching the SK this phase

God no what we fucking lose if we lynch SK

we then need to have three straight days of lynching all scum

[LordQuas]

I'm fairly certain that sk wins the game if we don't get em now. Assuming our hidden town powers or mafia team don't have a trick up their sleeve. And if this is the case I think lq figured this out and wanted us to no lynch, and is our likely sk

durg's a fucking mongoloid lmao, if it makes it to 2-3-1 at day SK auto loses unless scum throw majorly, SK has to prevent that

[LordQuas]

If we lose two town tonight after a no lynch it potentially becomes 3-3-1 and then I don't think we ever have enough time to lynch the sk right? Because we can't lynch sk next day or we lose to mafia, and after that it's 3-2-1 at best, and at night becomes 2-1-1 or 1-2-1 right? How tf will we kill the sk?

If the scum accidentally hits the SK it would buy us time by preventing a town death, or if the SK hits scum tonight, which I still think he should be doing, it gives us more time. Besides, it is hard to ID the SK since he is likely trying to lynch scum like the town. However, I think you have presented another reason why we should not be no lynching today, it makes it harder to defeat both the scum and the SK.

Sk hitting scum won't help us unless it blocks their NK. That's just way too risky.

WHAT

WHAT THE FUCK

[LordQuas]

Ok there are a few scenarios where it would be ok but tell me why sk would hit scum if it's more likely for them to win if town can't lynch them??? Sk is 2 hit immune to scum. They're not as much of a concern.

because SK still dies to lynch?

[LordQuas]

If I was sk I would not aim for scum tonight. I would aim for town.

prolly cause you're awful :)

SK has clearly been scum hunting for the last three nights so at least they ain't as dumb as you

[LordQuas]

Or to say that louder
SK DOES NOT NEED TO GET RID OF SCUM TO WIN
SK JUST NEEDS TO BE IN THE FINAL 3 LEFT ALIVE

EVEN IF THE OTHER TWO LEFT ALIVE AT THAT POINT ARE SCUM
THEY CAN'T LYNCH HIM, BECAUSE THE GAME ENDS WITH A SERIAL KILLER VICTORY WHEN THAT POINT IS REACHED

while that is new info to me, it doesn't change much
scum almost ALWAYS manages to lynch SK either in 2-3-1 or 1-2-1, like you're a loon if you thing that scum throws it there

[Durga]

If I was sk I would not aim for scum tonight. I would aim for town.

prolly cause you're awful :)

SK has clearly been scum hunting for the last three nights so at least they ain't as dumb as you

Oh they've certainly done a good job with that haven't they... How can you assert that?

[LordQuas]

I don't think it's damo because I think it's lord quas for pushing nl. Although bozo is doing a good job convincing me that he might actually be the sk.

Bozo if the mafia have majority then we lose.... What are you even saying.

I am saying the SK will also lose if the scum gains control of the lynches.

OK but scum win then? Are you scum now

it's like playing with a toddler

[Durga]

Fuck you're worse than ghug. Just die