Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[bozotheclown]

Here is summary of the role block claims to make sure I did not miss anything. Please correct anything I have wrong.

N1: Balki claims RB.: No reason to doubt Balki’s claim with only one RB claim. Only nurse and scum know who RBed Balki.

N2: Thamrick claims RB. Maniac claims RB, but not until N3.: Maniac said he was visited by the nurse, I assume since there is no reason scum would use their RB on confirmed VT, unless they were willing to use their RB to produce confusing RB claims. Scum could have let RB go unused so Thamrick could claim it, so Thamrick is not town cleared yet.

N3: Tom claims RB and save. Demon claims RB.: Tom is town cleared. Scum could have let RB go unused so Demon could claim it, so Demon is not town cleared yet, but still unCCed PR with a RB claim.

[Maniac]

Vashta’s wagon formed as the result of Maniac and brain, two known town, advocating Vashta’s lynch.

Thank-you bozo for reminding me Brain was scum reading Vash and I had said that the votes would be there for Vash at EOD.

From Scum POV there was a deadpool of Town Yavuz, Scum RJ and unknown Vash. So why didn't Yavuz get any kind of traction apart from RJ? I think Scum worked out that they would be able to Town Vash lynched over Witch RJ. They thought RJ would vote Vash and that both BrainBomb and I would also vote vash. That would have resulted in a vash death over RJ for sure.

Firstly Yavuz town flip certainly goes some way to clearing Vash.

Secondly there is scum in the MLQ, Bozotheclown and Thamrick pool.

I'd like Demon, Tom and Vash's thoughts please.

[bozotheclown]

@Maniac: Do you think the mafia had a Vashta lynch planned? ND and Ezio were the leading counter wagons to Vashta until you encouraged brain to vote for Vashta.

[Maniac]

@bozo - no I don't think scum necessarily had any lynched planned, but once I'd restricted the lynch pool, they would have reacted to save RJ imho. I suggest everyone re-reads D2 EOD

[rdrivera2005]

@bozo - no I don't think scum necessarily had any lynched planned, but once I'd restricted the lynch pool, they would have reacted to save RJ imho. I suggest everyone re-reads D2 EOD

Maniac, I have pointed this after EOD D2, considering Mean and Bozo scummy, Mean more then Bozo because Bozo was already voting Vash, and that Vashta is probably town. With ND and Ezio flipping town I am pretty sure Vashta is town.
What I didn't see was Balki. His vote on Vashta was really scummy, he voted Vash with almost no reasoning, something weird for Balki and hedged it a lot arguing against Maniacs list

Let's flip Vashta.

##Vote Vashta

Snowy would want it that way.

I don't know, I feel a little gross about this. I don't like our lynchpool. But Vashta has done nothing, he may be scum, and he's not helping us if we're town.

So, adding Balki to my scum possibilities.

[Maniac]

Google (bot) is browsing this thread. Wonder what they make of it?

Google (bot): did Yavuz realy fake claim COP

[Tom Bombadil]

"Secondly there is scum in the MLQ, Bozotheclown and Thamrick pool"

I'm suspicious of all three. I'm going to do a full reread on each today - so I'll share my thoughts soonish.

[Tom Bombadil]

I'm still like 99% sure MLQ is scum.

[rdrivera2005]

I'm still like 99% sure MLQ is scum.

If Reedeer isn't a viable wagon I will vote Mean, she is my top scumread with him. Bo and Balki are next.

[Foxcastle]

##VOTE Captainmeme

According to others, Captainmeme lurks to the end and either wins for whatever team he's on. I'm not happy assigning the fate of the game to the random number generator that assigned him to a team. He be useful to town by participating providing information, or he should useful to town as a known datapoint.

[thamrick]

@Maniac - are you reading the thread closely?

[thamrick]

@Maniac et al - both Mean and Bo had already set up their defense for the possibility of Yav flipping Cop. They both made the argument that an exposed Cop was useless to town. I disagreed and made a case why that isn't true (draws a NK, forces a RB, makes a guessing game over other townclears/PRs, etc). Bo admitted that an exposed Cop was still slightly more valuable than a VT.

I get what you're saying that it would have drawn scrutiny for those that are on the Yav wagon if he flipped Cop. I still argue they'd take that risk and hope to explain it away with remorse later.

[thamrick]

Though one can argue scum would vote ND yesterday rather than yavu.

@Vashta - Make the argument then.

[thamrick]

@Tom - why is RHK only 99.999% sure you're townclear?

[thamrick]

@Tom - still sure about that Meme lynch? I know they aren't in my pool of 4, but if you're sure I'll join you.

[Tom Bombadil]

I’ll get to that soon Tham. I’m like 20 pages back yet as I skimmed enough to follow while I was out of town, but didn’t do any analysis or put a whole lot of thought into the game truthfully.

[thamrick]

@Thamrick - your logic about scum being on Yavuz is OK as far as it goes, but your missing another step. What if Yavuz WAS the COP. People voting for him would then come under immense pressure. Scum want COP dead but can't be seen pulling the trigger. Also there is no strong evidence against the four people you list. And DemonRHK is as good as clear IMHO.

And okay. So looking at people who advocated for lynching Yav but ended on ND.

I think ND is correct. We lynch or shoot him today, and use that information tomorrow. We need to stop pulling PR's out, real or fake PR's we seem to be as a group pulling VT claims, and PR claims, something we cant afford.

##Vote ND

I would hammer, but we might learn some by talking more. Especially the part where the stalker finds out that ND is miller, to try to clear scum Yuav, so waiting on the GM to respond to that.

I don't know if you can call this advocating for Yav (the waiting for GMs part). Reedeer's strong gut reaction was to lynch ND to avoid pulling our PRs into it. I'm fairly convinced Reedeer is town.

I am starting to think Yav could be Stalker. But still not sure about lynching him.

I have to leave in 30 minutes to a family birthday and I am not sure I will be around at EOD.

rdrivera reasoned against lynching Yav for the same reasons I did. Argued heavily with Bo about Cop not being deadweight and accused Bo of busing. Not sure why he was changing his mind here.

Next, Balki comes in and votes Yav. I didn't agree with his logic about lynching between Yav and RHK and that the real PR would come forward to protect the other claimant and out the fake claimant.

He continues to argue for outing our PRs. He only switched after considering my case that we cant protect our PRs due to Nurse's RB (he mistook my argument for the Hooker RB) and Foxy's case that we can't count on the hidden PR to reveal themself due to them either not being online or wanting to remain hidden still

The Vash comment before his Vash vote was super strange.

I think Balki fits in the "wants to lynch Yav but not be seen lynching Yav" pool, but he easily could have left his vote on Yav and not reasoned through with Foxy and I.

Alternatively, the vote was tied and Balki knew that Meme would cast the deciding vote. He knew that if Meme voted for Yav and Yav flipped Cop, Meme would immediately draw suspicion so he steered it back to ND for cover.

Meme gets no credit for putting the final vote on ND as it was already decided. As I've said, he at least said the right thing when he voted. But that is NAI.

[Tom Bombadil]

@Tom - why is RHK only 99.999% sure you're townclear?

I don't know. Why are you asking me and not him? He may be accounting for some scenario he hasn't thought of, but I am 100% townclear.

[Tom Bombadil]

@Tom - still sure about that Meme lynch? I know they aren't in my pool of 4, but if you're sure I'll join you.

I'm not sure about a meme lynch, but I think he is in the pool of potential scum. I still feel best about an MLQ lynch. Almost guaranteed scumbo.

@Maniac:

I think MLQ or bozo is the preferred lynch. tham looks better - but its still a decent possibility that he is faking a rb claim to try to get softcleared, especially because that strategy has even more merit in a setup with a watcher.

[thamrick]

Mostly just to point out that he's doing a lot of redirecting and doubt casting.

@RHK - why 99.999% sure Tom is clear?

Unless you've broken down his cases into thirds.
1/3 = .33333...
1/3 = .33333...
1/3 = .33333...
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= 1 whole townclear = 99.999% sure