Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[rdrivera2005]

I do not know why ghug did not claim his role when he was about to get lynched, considering he had one of the town clearing roles. The other Mason could have prevented the lynch at EOD as well.

Maybe the other Mason wasn't online at EOD (and this is not a claim). Also, I still don't believe you lynched Ghug. Jamiet I can understand, he have no sense of humour and will take any chance to lynch Ghug, but Xorxes and others should know a lot better.

If you were so sure he wasn't scum then why, at no stage did you attempt to defend him?

Why would I defend him? When I left he had only one vote (yours). And I don't blame you for lynching him, at least you have reason and was consistent. And I think it was more bad town play (from him and others) that get him lynched.

[CrimsonFox]

it is so refreshing to post at night again!

[Nephthys]

Maybe the other Mason wasn't online at EOD (and this is not a claim). Also, I still don't believe you lynched Ghug. Jamiet I can understand, he have no sense of humour and will take any chance to lynch Ghug, but Xorxes and others should know a lot better.

If you were so sure he wasn't scum then why, at no stage did you attempt to defend him?

Why would I defend him? When I left he had only one vote (yours). And I don't blame you for lynching him, at least you have reason and was consistent. And I think it was more bad town play (from him and others) that get him lynched.

To be fair, that was more of a general post than targeted at you. I personally would like to see more critical discussion of people's cases rather than just discounting them/shit-talking the person that made them. I see it as the easiest way to move forward.

Oh, and killing worcej

[rdrivera2005]

If you were so sure he wasn't scum then why, at no stage did you attempt to defend him?

Why would I defend him? When I left he had only one vote (yours). And I don't blame you for lynching him, at least you have reason and was consistent. And I think it was more bad town play (from him and others) that get him lynched.

To be fair, that was more of a general post than targeted at you. I personally would like to see more critical discussion of people's cases rather than just discounting them/shit-talking the person that made them. I see it as the easiest way to move forward.

Oh, and killing worcej

Why Worcej? I honestly can't remember anything he has written so far.

[Nephthys]

Why would I defend him? When I left he had only one vote (yours). And I don't blame you for lynching him, at least you have reason and was consistent. And I think it was more bad town play (from him and others) that get him lynched.

To be fair, that was more of a general post than targeted at you. I personally would like to see more critical discussion of people's cases rather than just discounting them/shit-talking the person that made them. I see it as the easiest way to move forward.

Oh, and killing worcej

Why Worcej? I honestly can't remember anything he has written so far.

Read like the last page. It is the scummiest thing since I tried to play cultafia during exams with no bot.

[rdrivera2005]

To be fair, that was more of a general post than targeted at you. I personally would like to see more critical discussion of people's cases rather than just discounting them/shit-talking the person that made them. I see it as the easiest way to move forward.

Oh, and killing worcej

Why Worcej? I honestly can't remember anything he has written so far.

Read like the last page. It is the scummiest thing since I tried to play cultafia during exams with no bot.

I didn't knew there was a day chat too, so I don't think it's so weird.

[worcej]

Read like the last page. It is the scummiest thing since I tried to play cultafia during exams with no bot.

For recap, Neph you think I am scummy because:

1. Because I went from Ike to Fox to consolidate, noticed I had the wrong count so went to ghug to ensure consolidated wagons.
2. Because I stated that now knowing mafia chat was live during the day and I need to revisit my reads on player interactions. To you, that was scummy for stating that I didn't know.
3. And because I am waiting until EON to post a list.

I just want to understand your basis for tunneling me almost exclusively (you did comment @ bozo) on N1 so far.

So under the above logic, here's some questions for you. Also, expect follow-ups from me based on your responses.

1. Did you know that mafia had day chat during D1?
2. You put me on the spot near EOD about the fact my vote was on Fox and not ghug. I moved, ghug was apparently town, and have been consistent with the explanation on why I started on Fox, yet you never really have acknowledged it. Why is this adding up to me as scum when others, including yourself, called for the vote/kill but were voting for others at certain points of the day?
3. Jaime was shocked to discover that it mafia day chat was in play. Vecna was also not aware, but didn't display shock. Now rdr also stated that he didn't know. Does this raise any flags on them as scum too or was it just because I made a post about taking the time to re-evaluate reads?
4. Holding lists/reads until EON is a very common practice. In no way am I saying I will not participate, but why is it a part of the "scummiest thing since you tried to play cultafia during exams with no bot"? Feel free to also chime in on this @Lord.

@Neph - I enjoy the tunnel tactic you're employing. That's the dumb stuff others have done to get caught. Keep it up buddy :)

[Nephthys]

Read like the last page. It is the scummiest thing since I tried to play cultafia during exams with no bot.

For recap, Neph you think I am scummy because:

1. Because I went from Ike to Fox to consolidate, noticed I had the wrong count so went to ghug to ensure consolidated wagons.
2. Because I stated that now knowing mafia chat was live during the day and I need to revisit my reads on player interactions. To you, that was scummy for stating that I didn't know.
3. And because I am waiting until EON to post a list.

I just want to understand your basis for tunneling me almost exclusively (you did comment @ bozo) on N1 so far.

So under the above logic, here's some questions for you. Also, expect follow-ups from me based on your responses.

1. Did you know that mafia had day chat during D1?
2. You put me on the spot near EOD about the fact my vote was on Fox and not ghug. I moved, ghug was apparently town, and have been consistent with the explanation on why I started on Fox, yet you never really have acknowledged it. Why is this adding up to me as scum when others, including yourself, called for the vote/kill but were voting for others at certain points of the day?
3. Jaime was shocked to discover that it mafia day chat was in play. Vecna was also not aware, but didn't display shock. Now rdr also stated that he didn't know. Does this raise any flags on them as scum too or was it just because I made a post about taking the time to re-evaluate reads?
4. Holding lists/reads until EON is a very common practice. In no way am I saying I will not participate, but why is it a part of the "scummiest thing since you tried to play cultafia during exams with no bot"? Feel free to also chime in on this @Lord.

@Neph - I enjoy the tunnel tactic you're employing. That's the dumb stuff others have done to get caught. Keep it up buddy :)

I think you are scummy because you had the chance to shift to ghug to put him in real contention, admittedly this would have tied things with three minutes to play although I had already stated that in the last minute I was happy to adjust my vote to prevent a tie wherever it was. I therefore found it odd the way you went. You then came back with a really odd post about the day chat. It just felt forced, again though, thats gut reading.

I think EON to publish a reads list is good. I am planning on doing the same. I don't see where you got this from.
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Your questions;
1. No but my first thought when I found out was not to post about it.
2. I put you on the spot because you wanted Ghug shot. There was a chance to lynch ghug and you never posted a strong read on Fox. I therefore expected you to take it.
3. Yours just sounded off, like scum going for towncred. That's all there is to it, I got backing from someone (xorx) and so was happy to press it.
4. I will admit that I fully got carried away here, all there is was on off post which got backing when i pointed it out (xorx) and I got backing when I questioned you about the way you went at EOD initially (Ike)

As for the tunneling, its been 4hrs since EOD... I sat on Ghug for 14hrs plus I called for him to be shot before that.
I looked at the people who voted towards the end. Vecna is a mess and needs some serious help although I don't know what to make of so many changes. Bozo never mentioned a real pref for either Fox/Ghug therefore I wasn't as bothered.

The only other person I have't asked is RHK.

I think you may be a little rattled as scum tbh.

Nevertheless I was wrong about ghug so we'll see.

Flick me through all your questions and I will be more than happy to answer them.

[CrimsonFox]

they don't write em like that anymore

[CrimsonFox]

wow neph nice post!

damn you!

[LordQuas]

real talk I don't want to deal with reading posts 24/7 in a mash that sounds mega aids

someone can summarize for me tomorrow

[CrimsonFox]

[CrimsonFox]

do you really think there will be that much more posting going on during the night?

[worcej]

I think you are scummy because you had the chance to shift to ghug to put him in real contention, admittedly this would have tied things with three minutes to play although I had already stated that in the last minute I was happy to adjust my vote to prevent a tie wherever it was. I therefore found it odd the way you went. You then came back with a really odd post about the day chat. It just felt forced, again though, thats gut reading.

I think EON to publish a reads list is good. I am planning on doing the same. I don't see where you got this from.
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Your questions;
1. No but my first thought when I found out was not to post about it.
2. I put you on the spot because you wanted Ghug shot. There was a chance to lynch ghug and you never posted a strong read on Fox. I therefore expected you to take it.
3. Yours just sounded off, like scum going for towncred. That's all there is to it, I got backing from someone (xorx) and so was happy to press it.
4. I will admit that I fully got carried away here, all there is was on off post which got backing when i pointed it out (xorx) and I got backing when I questioned you about the way you went at EOD initially (Ike)

As for the tunneling, its been 4hrs since EOD... I sat on Ghug for 14hrs plus I called for him to be shot before that.
I looked at the people who voted towards the end. Vecna is a mess and needs some serious help although I don't know what to make of so many changes. Bozo never mentioned a real pref for either Fox/Ghug therefore I wasn't as bothered.

The only other person I have't asked is RHK.

I think you may be a little rattled as scum tbh.

Nevertheless I was wrong about ghug so we'll see.

Flick me through all your questions and I will be more than happy to answer them.

Where I got my comment about EON reads was from this:

It's like he's trying hard to show he didn't know there was a day chat

It's like anything I do right now is requiring you to doubt/question me...

I think it's important to comment that I did not know that there is day mafia chat because it takes away from my opinions on certain people. Does this satisfy you Agent 47?

This would be a lot more compelling if you were to detail which reads are now shady and which ones you stand by.

You specifically are calling out that if I had posted information about the reads.... like I would do in a read list.... which I would save for EON....

Okay, so follow up Q's:

1. Why would you not comment about the day chat? Is it to hide something? The fact mafia day chat exists invites some immediate doubt on your arguments for Jaime's D1 antics not being planned, because it could have easily been planned/mentioned quickly in a QT that it was going to happen. All it would take is an active scum group in the first hour on said QT, without having to be seen online. Jaime himself even presented the chance to highlight this with his comment about thinking about the game and having many questions - it would only take 1 minute for him to drop something immediately in the QT about it.
2. So you expected me to jump at the chance to lynch ghug, but did you notice that my list for Ike was not inherently strong? I gave a list of preference, but never did I outright imply I thought ghug was being scum like Jaime or you had done. I wanted to find some sort of connections/information based on the flip.
3. Do you find it odd how the ghug wagon came about right at the end? Do you think there is anything inherently wrong with Foxcastle's claim? This wouldn't be the first time he last second claimed a role that has town value to try to save himself.

FWIW - I always come off as a scummy town player in every game I've been in. IMO, That is usually why I have lasted until the final 5 or 6 in a game almost every time, because scum think they can tunnel me down the road easily. Foxcastle tried it once and failed. So has Squigs, and he failed too.

[worcej]

real talk I don't want to deal with reading posts 24/7 in a mash that sounds mega aids

someone can summarize for me tomorrow

Do your own read tomorrow before EON. Activity is usually soft on night phases because of the little impact people can have, it's more a 'wait and see who the scum think need to die' than any sort of solving during the early stages of the game.

My continued posting @Neph is due to the apparent tunneling I am seeing - 3 posts expressing negativity based on my statements is more than just unplanned commenting imo.

[CrimsonFox]

hi worc...how goes?

got any solid villa reads?

[worcej]

hi worc...how goes?

got any solid villa reads?

Drinking beer and watching Alabama get pounded by Clemson. I hate the SEC and feel this beat down should hopefully stop Alabama from getting the '#1 bias' next year.

No reads coming out from me until near EON - I made that one pretty apparent.

[worcej]

Best quote for this game:

Alabama has outgained Clemson by nearly 60 yards of offense (447-389), has held the ball for 13 more minutes than the Tigers, has run 24 more plays — and still trails by four touchdowns. What a weird — and humiliating — night for the Crimson Tide.

[CrimsonFox]

i see foxcastle claimed doctor at the end. yuk

squigs also yuk
fox was voti8ng him then squigs jumps on the ghug wagon.
why?

that's a likely wolf/wolf combo

[CrimsonFox]

who fucking cares about sports esp college sports

also didn't that game end already?