Mafia XXXIV Game Thread - Who Framed Roger Rabbit?

[bo_sox48]

I'm not advocating lynching him today. He'll have opportunities to prove he's the Watcher.

Ah, so calling him scum but not advocating lynching him until he is CC'ed, i.e. until the actual watcher from your perspective exposes himself, is the play you would rather make. That's a fantastic plan, tham. What happens if RHK forces the watcher's hand by making a claim that the watcher knows is false? For example, what if the actual watcher knew that brainbomb was visited by cop yavuz on night 1? Would you prefer that we force the watcher to out himself instead of bearing the responsibility of determining what is real and what isn't yourself?

[thamrick]

demonRHK: Town. I see him as town clear at this point, untouchable. Even if someone CCed him, I’d lean toward lynching the CC. Coming forward to counter yav is a plainly towny thing to do, regardless of yav’s alignment.

bo_sox48 – Town. I really see his push on yav as a town sealing moment. Unless yav flips town, which means bo could have seen his error as a moment to gain a lot of towncred. Or maybe if the scum team just agreed to collectively throw away yav, but in any case, I think we need to not lynch bo for a couple days.

Vomit. Nice hedge on Bo though.

To quote an earlier post: "You dun fucked up"

[thamrick]

See Bo. This is the ferocity you attack something you disagree with. Not the sweep it under the rug bullshit you did with Rj.

[bo_sox48]

I do hope you read that big post in its entirety, tham, and take stock of of every single one of my words of wisdom.

[bo_sox48]

See Bo. This is the ferocity you attack something you disagree with. Not the sweep it under the rug bullshit you did with Rj.

Woah woah, slow your roll, buddy. This was awhile ago. Why is this just coming out now? I've been waiting for someone to point out how Rj tried to fight me and backed off when I started laughing in his idiot face.

I definitely should have gone after Rj harder. I was tunneling ND at the time. My mistake.

[thamrick]

I'm not advocating lynching him today. He'll have opportunities to prove he's the Watcher.

Ah, so calling him scum but not advocating lynching him until he is CC'ed, i.e. until the actual watcher from your perspective exposes himself, is the play you would rather make. That's a fantastic plan, tham. What happens if RHK forces the watcher's hand by making a claim that the watcher knows is false? For example, what if the actual watcher knew that brainbomb was visited by cop yavuz on night 1? Would you prefer that we force the watcher to out himself instead of bearing the responsibility of determining what is real and what isn't yourself?

Oh well. We've got the scumteam already pegged.

Are you seriously advocating that the true Watcher never reveals themself to catch a fake-claiming RHK?

Read my post before my EoN reads. I know it's long. Skip to the RHK parts. I've made my case on him already.

And L.O.L. this is not the first time someone has mentioned the weirdness in your exchange with RJ.

[thamrick]

Tham, lynching yav was the right move to make though. It seemed likely he was lying and not taking him out first meant we lost ND for no reason. If we killed yav, ND wouldn't have been cleared, but it'd have lead to another vt being alive, and we wouldn't have needed to waste the gun on yav. It was the right decision to make as town, and scum were almost certainly on both sides yesterday since it was town vs. town and they knew that. The way it happened, we killed 2 vts and gained very little information. You're trying to lynch people who you disagree with (even though the choice was the best for town in hindsight) and didn't play cautiously like you did, not people who are actually likely scum. I don't think this makes you scummy, but you need to realize it.

Unless scum had scanned ND, you can bet they considered the possibility of Yav actually being Cop and having a Miller scan and you can bet they wanted him lynched.

You're wrong. ND was still the right kill. Yes Yav is a moron. Yes we killed a VT, but it was 100% the right thing to do.

[bo_sox48]

I'm not advocating lynching him today. He'll have opportunities to prove he's the Watcher.

Ah, so calling him scum but not advocating lynching him until he is CC'ed, i.e. until the actual watcher from your perspective exposes himself, is the play you would rather make. That's a fantastic plan, tham. What happens if RHK forces the watcher's hand by making a claim that the watcher knows is false? For example, what if the actual watcher knew that brainbomb was visited by cop yavuz on night 1? Would you prefer that we force the watcher to out himself instead of bearing the responsibility of determining what is real and what isn't yourself?

Oh well. We've got the scumteam already pegged.

Are you seriously advocating that the true Watcher never reveals themself to catch a fake-claiming RHK?

Read my post before my EoN reads. I know it's long. Skip to the RHK parts. I've made my case on him already.

And L.O.L. this is not the first time someone has mentioned the weirdness in your exchange with RJ.

I am advocating that the true watcher never reveals himself to catch a fake claiming RHK until he's ready. In the mean time, if you truly don't believe that RHK is the watcher, you should feel responsible for proving it so that RHK doesn't manage to draw out the real watcher before the real watcher is ready to be drawn out.

I skipped most of that post. I just worked a 12 hour shift. I have more of the same tomorrow, unfortunately. I asked you to post the highlights but you're too busy pulling a brainbomb. You're driving headstrong into a tunnel right now and I hope you manage to avoid that, but maybe you'll prove me wrong.

Anyway, this has been fun. Thanks for the Q&A session, tham. Good night, dumb dumbs. Go Eagles.

[thamrick]

See Bo. This is the ferocity you attack something you disagree with. Not the sweep it under the rug bullshit you did with Rj.

Woah woah, slow your roll, buddy. This was awhile ago. Why is this just coming out now? I've been waiting for someone to point out how Rj tried to fight me and backed off when I started laughing in his idiot face.

I definitely should have gone after Rj harder. I was tunneling ND at the time. My mistake.

Well I would have expected you to have a better defense than that then. You were even scumreading him at the time but barely pushed back. I'm sure it was hard for you to not just bus your witch. Ahhh... if only he had been the Stalker or the Thief.

Ughhh... should've known you were an Eagles fan.

[thamrick]

@MLQ - obviously ND and Yav were both VT.

Explain to me, from the perspective yesterday where both of these are unknowns, why lynching Yav was the right move.

[bo_sox48]

Colts fan. Born and raised a block away from John Mellencamp's house in the yellowpines. Became a Carmel snob at some point. Private school, bells and whistles. Don't have the money anymore but I'm still an ass, right?

You're in Indiana and a Pats fan? No wonder we don't get along. You're literally rotten excrement molded into the shape of a body.

[DemonRHK]

Ok, sorry for missing a couple hours there.

I was roleblocked instead of killed (obviously). My target was Maniac. As I had said in my EoN, I had suspicions (confirmed by Maniac) that he was the unclaimed roleblock, I suspected mafia to go for the kill.

Unless we get the hooker, I'm not sure mafia plans to night kill me. I'm too polarizing right now, with many people still thinking I am a fakeclaim (To be fair, with the disgusting amount of fakeclaiming going on, I can't fully fault them)

I am on rd currently, he is my strongest scumread. The other people I am reading poorly (Note: This is before a re-read of D3 with the info that Yavu was town) are meme, Fox, and bozo.

[thamrick]

Lol no hard feelings Bo. I generally like you. I hate you now that I know you're an Eagles fan.

I'm in Indiana but not by choice. My fiance is doing her doctoral studies at Purdue. I grew up in NC, lived in SC for 8 years. Cowboys fan my whole life. That Clements catch was bs. But I will say the Eagles outplayed the Patriots tonight and deserved the win.

I just know you're scum. We can argue til you fake-claim Cop or Nurse or GS then get lynched.

[thamrick]

@RHK - I get why you voted Yav. Knowing that Tom is clear and ND is dead, look at Yav voters and tell me what motivation they had to vote Yav when he potentially could have been Cop (no matter how small you think that chance was).

[bo_sox48]

I don't think you get it, tham. I despise the Eagles. I hate their fans in particular. Philadelphia is just an awful place and the people make it even worse than it already is. I just despise the Patriots more.

[MeanLaQueefa]

How is me giving bo a town read and saying we shouldn't lynch him for a couple days a hedge? There is a possibility he is still scum, sure, I just think it is much less likely than most of the other people here. That's what a town read is, unless it is for someone that's completely clear.

Also tham, lynching ND was certifiably the wrong thing to do, how can you argue this? If we'd lynched yav first, we'd have a gun and another vt walking around. Ya dun goofed on your logic there, friend. It was the riskier move I grant you, you can be satisfied with your decision that you made at the time, but in hindsight it would have been better if town had lynched yav. Pure, plain and simple.

Also, not to piss you off more, but you're acting crazy paranoid here, take a chill pill and analyze the game with a clear head.

To answer your later question, tham, Demon's claim made more sense and was more credible than yav's claim and given that they directly contradicted each other on if yav visited brainbomb night 1, one had to be lying. I took demon's side because he didn't claim for completely shit reasons, even if it turned out to be a fake gun he was threatened with. Even if yav was the cop, he claimed to take out 1 scum that could have been a miller and cleared no one with his scans, but even if it was a real scum, the better move would be to have waited while he gathered more scans and let that scum sit on the back burner. If demon knew yav was town, would he really take the risk of directly conflicting his claim? What if yav had turned out to be the real cop? Then demon would have been next as soon as we verified yav and demon wouldn't be able to out the real watcher, which if he was scum was his main goal in fake claiming. So coming forward is not something demon would do as scum. As soon as you made the final conclusion that demon had to be watcher for his actions to make sense, you then had to conclude that yav was faking, and since it made way more sense for scum to fake cop, you had to lynch yav. I would have said this if I actually had time at the EoD yesterday.

[thamrick]

Well at least we agree on something Bo.

[bo_sox48]

you can be satisfied with your decision that you made at the time, but in hindsight it would have been better if town had lynched yav. Pure, plain and simple.

He clearly wasn't looking for "in hindsight" and neither am I. Why was yav the preferable lynch?

[thamrick]

How is me giving bo a town read and saying we shouldn't lynch him for a couple days a hedge? There is a possibility he is still scum, sure, I just think it is much less likely than most of the other people here. That's what a town read is, unless it is for someone that's completely clear.

(1)Also tham, lynching ND was certifiably the wrong thing to do, how can you argue this? If we'd lynched yav first, we'd have a gun and another vt walking around. Ya dun goofed on your logic there, friend. It was the riskier move I grant you, you can be satisfied with your decision that you made at the time, but in hindsight it would have been better if town had lynched yav. Pure, plain and simple.

Also, not to piss you off more, but you're acting crazy paranoid here, take a chill pill and analyze the game with a clear head.

(2)To answer your later question, tham, Demon's claim made more sense and was more credible than yav's claim and given that they directly contradicted each other on if yav visited brainbomb night 1, one had to be lying. I took demon's side because he didn't claim for completely shit reasons, even if it turned out to be a fake gun he was threatened with. Even if yav was the cop, he claimed to take out 1 scum that could have been a miller and cleared no one with his scans, but even if it was a real scum, the better move would be to have waited while he gathered more scans and let that scum sit on the back burner. If demon knew yav was town, would he really take the risk of directly conflicting his claim? What if yav had turned out to be the real cop? Then demon would have been next as soon as we verified yav and demon wouldn't be able to out the real watcher, which if he was scum was his main goal in fake claiming. So coming forward is not something demon would do as scum. As soon as you made the final conclusion that demon had to be watcher for his actions to make sense, you then had to conclude that yav was faking, and since it made way more sense for scum to fake cop, you had to lynch yav. I would have said this if I actually had time at the EoD yesterday.

I find it amusing that you answered my question twice. I marked them above as (1) and (2). I don't see why you even typed the (1) section other than to try to make me look dumb.

And yes. Demon would have ABSOLUTELY done the same thing if he was scum. What was he going to do? Say "uhh.... man, I must have actually scanned someone else D1 and forgot" or "oh. yeah. I'm scum." It's the obvious thing to say whether he's scum or town. You're smart enough to know that. Stop pretending otherwise.

I'm very calm. I've figured out the remaining 3 scum. Ez game. Ez life.

[MeanLaQueefa]

Bo, I direct you to the last paragraph of my last post.