Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[bozotheclown]

Hey... I thought about suggesting a mass claim.
It seems town beneficial. Info known is better for town.

Thoughts?

Not till tomorrow maybe...

I don't think that would be helpful for town since most roles are NAI, and it would provide more information to the mafia to choose their NKs.

[dargorygel]

@Vecna
What do you think of Vecna's claim? Is he faking? Is he seeking reaction? Is he actually claiming truthfully? If so, why? Wait... don't answer any of those...

Instead... you claimed... what do you think of a mass claim?

[dargorygel]

Hey... I thought about suggesting a mass claim.
It seems town beneficial. Info known is better for town.

Thoughts?

Not till tomorrow maybe...

I don't think that would be helpful for town since most roles are NAI, and it would provide more information to the mafia to choose their NKs.

Hmmm... Alignment-wise, I agree it wouldn't reveal much (if anything...) but town knowing what we have would be useful. And scum usually kills personality-wise I find... in a wild mad-role situation like this, there are so many options for them, I don't see this gaining them much.

[Vecna]

[*]Vecna's Claim - Bozo's quote covered this well:

If you are really Persia and town, claiming it is not helpful to town. The proper play would be to try to draw the NK N1, as that is the only town use for your power. Therefore, I believe either your claim is fake or you are not town.

I agree with this. I inherently put Vecna as a decent player, so if he was town I would expect him to bait the NK instead of now taking himself out of the pool. So why did he drop this claim out then? My theory is this: his claim was an attempt to create a town-clear for the later days (or eras I guess) in order to hide as scum. I'll respect the claim though and not push for him D1, since I assume the immunity is also for lynches (not confirmed yet) and instead will probably make him my wagon choice on D2.

People thinking theres only 1 way to play anything are just too shortsighted. I never get nightkilled N1, so trying to draw the NK is just pointless.

Using these type of "near VT" roles to gauge people their reactions is a much more useful use of the type of role in my book. Get people riled up and see if their irritation is genuine. That and trolling people just for shits and giggles. Having said that, I care not for how others play the role. I play it the way -I- want to. And itll get me a ton better uses than what others would do with it.

[Vecna]

KARMA TALLY
Ghug - 5
Neph - 4
Squiggs - 1
CrimsonFox - 1
LordQuas - 1

fuckin ghug lmao

wassup peeps, xorxes your method of sorting through lower posters is ineffective, ignore them d1 and hope they get a sub, let vigs/cops deal with them etc. With multiple, the lynch will most likely just get manipulated to hit all the town first by the wolves since all the wolves are alive, unless all wolves are low posters or uninfluential, which is unlikely

foxcastle is the dopest towny town here

ppl have been telling me what damo666 does as town but what does he do as a wolf? Is it any different in the regard of copping out with a sheep on a player early game? Also his vote back onto jamie after getting called out for it is sus

demon felt aight

I want more from ragingike, his stuff has felt very concensus and safe so far

also there's some wack reading going on, he said half the people that haven't posted are scum, not half the scum are people that haven't posted

Damo does the same shit as scum. Nothing he has done here is even remotely town indicative. People saying as much are clueless.

[dargorygel]

I agree, Vecna... 'one way' players are not helpful.
"Scum would never do that," "Scum always does that," "Ezio always does that," are not really useful (realizing that Ezio DOES always mention No Lynch, though...)

In this game, I am wondering if we have reached the point where scum would lurk less. The lurking method has not been as effective lately, perhaps because it has become the 'norm.' While scum still might lurk, we should not fail to look among the big posters. Because it is NOT true that "Scum always lurk."

[Vecna]

eh I really dislike this the more I read it

##Vote bozotheclown

Care to elaborate about what you do not like?

What is there to elaborate on? Now its pointed out the post seems a little odd, why would you want to tie up so many resources (shot/lynch) on someone who's claim doesn't really affect the game much.

There are also scenarios in which town Vecna false claims this.

2/3 the three likely scenarios give Vecna as town.
- Vecna (town) claims
- Vecna (scum) claims
- Vecna (town) mis-claims

That being said, I think this logic is so average that I'm gonna town-read you for it, I don't see scum posting something that rash.

Except that is exactly what scum does? Just find the easy way to scumread someone for something that should be viewed from many angles.

Bozo as town is a lot more elaborate in his thought process. And he has played with me often enough to know I do this shit all the time (as most people have stated that know my playstyle).

Recency bias can be a thing. For example, the last bunch of games ive played were much more "decent citizen" style, hence why I feel Worcej's read is a lot more genuine.

[dargorygel]

Care to elaborate about what you do not like?

What is there to elaborate on? Now its pointed out the post seems a little odd, why would you want to tie up so many resources (shot/lynch) on someone who's claim doesn't really affect the game much.

There are also scenarios in which town Vecna false claims this.

2/3 the three likely scenarios give Vecna as town.
- Vecna (town) claims
- Vecna (scum) claims
- Vecna (town) mis-claims

That being said, I think this logic is so average that I'm gonna town-read you for it, I don't see scum posting something that rash.

Except that is exactly what scum does? Just find the easy way to scumread someone for something that should be viewed from many angles.

Bozo as town is a lot more elaborate in his thought process. And he has played with me often enough to know I do this shit all the time (as most people have stated that know my playstyle).

Recency bias can be a thing. For example, the last bunch of games ive played were much more "decent citizen" style, hence why I feel Worcej's read is a lot more genuine.

Interesting that this debate has drawn the attention of a few of us... and bozo and Nephythys are the two top trains this morning...

[Vecna]

Im just gonna ensure my survival by fullclaiming.

Im persia. Ancient era deathproof.

there you have it scum. If you wanna get rid of my awesomeness, you have to do it by admitting that im just that much of a pain in your buttcrack. Not because im potentially some dangerous PR. Because im not.

Now you guys can scurry in here and discuss how scummy I am for claiming this stuff. Or you can shoot me (only this era <3) to confirm my claim. Only to then realize I could still be scum.

Stuff to talk about. Hurray.

Go

If you can't be killed day 1, why would you need to claim to ensure your survival?

Continued survival. Scum will know im not a danger throughout the game, except for my reads.

Hence, if they kill me at any point, it will be a nice ego boost, since itll be because im awesome.

[Vecna]

@Vecna: I see you have had the thread open for awhile without posting, according to you that is scum indicative behavior.

It is if you dont show actual thoughts while reading it dawg

[bozotheclown]

Im just gonna ensure my survival by fullclaiming.

Im persia. Ancient era deathproof.

there you have it scum. If you wanna get rid of my awesomeness, you have to do it by admitting that im just that much of a pain in your buttcrack. Not because im potentially some dangerous PR. Because im not.

Now you guys can scurry in here and discuss how scummy I am for claiming this stuff. Or you can shoot me (only this era <3) to confirm my claim. Only to then realize I could still be scum.

Stuff to talk about. Hurray.

Go

If you can't be killed day 1, why would you need to claim to ensure your survival?

Continued survival. Scum will know im not a danger throughout the game, except for my reads.

Hence, if they kill me at any point, it will be a nice ego boost, since itll be because im awesome.

Why not wait until day 2 to claim then and see if you could get the mafia to waste their NK on your day 1?

[Vecna]

Hey... I thought about suggesting a mass claim.
It seems town beneficial. Info known is better for town.

Thoughts?

Not till tomorrow maybe...

More Yikes'

[bozotheclown]

@Vecna: I see you have had the thread open for awhile without posting, according to you that is scum indicative behavior.

It is if you dont show actual thoughts while reading it dawg

Why did it take you 37 minutes to respond to this post?

[Vecna]

If you can't be killed day 1, why would you need to claim to ensure your survival?

Continued survival. Scum will know im not a danger throughout the game, except for my reads.

Hence, if they kill me at any point, it will be a nice ego boost, since itll be because im awesome.

Why not wait until day 2 to claim then and see if you could get the mafia to waste their NK on your day 1?

Im giving people the option to play their cards the way they want.

If a vig -wants- to shoot me, thats up to them, and im giving them the option.

If you want to do the dumbass thing and vote me, thats a thing I guess?

If scum wanna choose to not believe me because im actually fakeclaiming and hiding the strongest role, wooptiedoo.

Why would I want to be the coward that hides behind my claim from D2 going forward? Because -THEN- it cannot be confirmed anymore. While it still has the downsides of narrowing down the good PR pool.

I just felt like doing this, so I did. Not like there was a lot of thought put into it. Spur of the moment. Like Xorxes stated, I didnt even think ahead of nightkills n what not (but like I said earlier, I never died N1 anyway).

Im enjoying it.

[Vecna]

@Vecna: I see you have had the thread open for awhile without posting, according to you that is scum indicative behavior.

It is if you dont show actual thoughts while reading it dawg

Why did it take you 37 minutes to respond to this post?

Because I was somewhere in between page 14 and 23 reading stuff?

[bozotheclown]

Continued survival. Scum will know im not a danger throughout the game, except for my reads.

Hence, if they kill me at any point, it will be a nice ego boost, since itll be because im awesome.

Why not wait until day 2 to claim then and see if you could get the mafia to waste their NK on your day 1?

Im giving people the option to play their cards the way they want.

If a vig -wants- to shoot me, thats up to them, and im giving them the option.

If you want to do the dumbass thing and vote me, thats a thing I guess?

If scum wanna choose to not believe me because im actually fakeclaiming and hiding the strongest role, wooptiedoo.

Why would I want to be the coward that hides behind my claim from D2 going forward? Because -THEN- it cannot be confirmed anymore. While it still has the downsides of narrowing down the good PR pool.

I just felt like doing this, so I did. Not like there was a lot of thought put into it. Spur of the moment. Like Xorxes stated, I didnt even think ahead of nightkills n what not (but like I said earlier, I never died N1 anyway).

Im enjoying it.

That seems contradictory to me, you said your claim was to ensure your continued survival because the mafia will know you do not have any powers after D1, then you said you would not want to hide behind your claim D2 going forward. If you did not want to hide behind your claim you could have not made the claim.

[Vecna]

Theyre two reasons with the same outcome? Claim d1

[Vecna]

And it was responding to your own statement that "I couldve just claimed it D2 instead"

[bozotheclown]

And it was responding to your own statement that "I couldve just claimed it D2 instead"

Yes, I found the reason you gave for not waiting until D2 contradictory to the original reason you gave for claiming.

[bozotheclown]

Hey... I thought about suggesting a mass claim.
It seems town beneficial. Info known is better for town.

Thoughts?

Not till tomorrow maybe...

I don't think that would be helpful for town since most roles are NAI, and it would provide more information to the mafia to choose their NKs.

Hmmm... Alignment-wise, I agree it wouldn't reveal much (if anything...) but town knowing what we have would be useful. And scum usually kills personality-wise I find... in a wild mad-role situation like this, there are so many options for them, I don't see this gaining them much.

It would also let the mafia take out the Masons early, they would be more useful if they can survive without claiming and give us more clears later.