MINI MAFIA IV GAME THREAD

[Jamiet99uk]

worcej is my top scum suspect based on what appeared to be an attempt to avoid hard claiming town.

What incentive would scum have to avoid claiming to be town?

Bozo why are you so bad today?

Are you familiar with worcej's history of saying he never fake claims?

What is this rubbish?

Are you suggesting that when Worcej is scum, he doesn't claim to be town?

If this was verifiably true it would mean that scum Worcej could be caught with 100% accuracy on D1, every single time he happens to roll scum.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo, I see where you are coming from, thanks for the explanation <3

I need to think more on the hypo it seems. That being said, I think brain might be your hardest adversary to overcome in getting unanimous approval.

I don't think we need unanimous approval, I would argue that a majority should be enough.

[bozotheclown]

What incentive would scum have to avoid claiming to be town?

Bozo why are you so bad today?

Are you familiar with worcej's history of saying he never fake claims?

What is this rubbish?

Are you suggesting that when Worcej is scum, he doesn't claim to be town?

If this was verifiably true it would mean that scum Worcej could be caught with 100% accuracy on D1, every single time he happens to roll scum.

That is the point that has been made about his previous claim, that it is not sustainable as scum. My question is whether he tried to avoid claiming town before he was forced to do so.

[Jamiet99uk]

Are you familiar with worcej's history of saying he never fake claims?

What is this rubbish?

Are you suggesting that when Worcej is scum, he doesn't claim to be town?

If this was verifiably true it would mean that scum Worcej could be caught with 100% accuracy on D1, every single time he happens to roll scum.

That is the point that has been made about his previous claim, that it is not sustainable as scum. My question is whether he tried to avoid claiming town before he was forced to do so.

WHAT MOTIVATION WOULD HE HAVE TO DO THIS?

[Jamiet99uk]

Show me where Worcej claimed he always tells the truth when he is scum?

[Jamiet99uk]

(If you ask me the only relevant claim is a role claim. People claiming "town" is of no great relevance. It's not like anyone is going to outright claim to be scum, unless they're bo_sox making the most basic mistake ever)

[Jamiet99uk]

I have looked at every post in this game by Worcej and I can't see him saying he has never fakeclaimed as scum.

Either:

- Bozo has made a mistake.
- Bozo is talking about something Worcej said in a different game.
- Bozo is full of shit.
- I cannot read.

[xorxes]

As an example, a cop is likely to scan someone he has publicly scum read, and if he gets an innocent scan, he may then make his scan target one of his top town reads to make his scan obvious if he gets NKed. Scum looking for PRs might pick up on read changes like this.

Wouldn't this change of heart be even more blatant with the hypo thing, if you have been scumreading someone and suddenly you hypo-claim you have an inno scan on them?

I think scum tend to go for fearkills rather than PR hunt, unfortunately for me.

[xorxes]

I have looked at every post in this game by Worcej and I can't see him saying he has never fakeclaimed as scum.

Either:

- Bozo has made a mistake.
- Bozo is talking about something Worcej said in a different game.
- Bozo is full of shit.
- I cannot read.

He didn't say it this game, but he has said before that he cherishes his reputation for never fakeclaiming. I'm sure worcej himself can verify that for you so we don't need to go looking for quotes from past games.

[Jamiet99uk]

I have looked at every post in this game by Worcej and I can't see him saying he has never fakeclaimed as scum.

Either:

- Bozo has made a mistake.
- Bozo is talking about something Worcej said in a different game.
- Bozo is full of shit.
- I cannot read.

He didn't say it this game, but he has said before that he cherishes his reputation for never fakeclaiming. I'm sure worcej himself can verify that for you so we don't need to go looking for quotes from past games.

Bozo's entire theory relies on Worcej having said this weird, unsustainable, stupid thing. I absolutely want Bozo to find me the quote on which he is relying.

[bozotheclown]

As an example, a cop is likely to scan someone he has publicly scum read, and if he gets an innocent scan, he may then make his scan target one of his top town reads to make his scan obvious if he gets NKed. Scum looking for PRs might pick up on read changes like this.

Wouldn't this change of heart be even more blatant with the hypo thing, if you have been scumreading someone and suddenly you hypo-claim you have an inno scan on them?

I think scum tend to go for fearkills rather than PR hunt, unfortunately for me.

Not if a number of VT did the same thing to help keep the cop hidden. Here, the scum do not even know whether there is a cop or tracker.

[xorxes]

@bozo, I see where you are coming from, thanks for the explanation <3

I need to think more on the hypo it seems. That being said, I think brain might be your hardest adversary to overcome in getting unanimous approval.

I don't think we need unanimous approval, I would argue that a majority should be enough.

Because anyone who doesn't comply would be lynched? But scum would probably just go with the flow and make sure to comply, and people that don't comply would be lazy or uninvolved town.

[Squigs44]

VOTE COUNT 1.1:
damo666(4): xorxes, foodcoats, worcej, Nephthys
xorxes(2): Jamiet99uk, DrCJG
No Lynch(1): bozotheclown
Jamiet99uk(1): damo666
bozotheclown(1): brainbomb*

There is currently one end vote on bozotheclown
RagingIke297 and thdfrance need to cast valid votes before the deadline
Deadline is in approximately 19 hours

Damo666 is currently set to be torn apart, limb by limb

[bozotheclown]

I have looked at every post in this game by Worcej and I can't see him saying he has never fakeclaimed as scum.

Either:

- Bozo has made a mistake.
- Bozo is talking about something Worcej said in a different game.
- Bozo is full of shit.
- I cannot read.

He didn't say it this game, but he has said before that he cherishes his reputation for never fakeclaiming. I'm sure worcej himself can verify that for you so we don't need to go looking for quotes from past games.

Bozo's entire theory relies on Worcej having said this weird, unsustainable, stupid thing. I absolutely want Bozo to find me the quote on which he is relying.

It was not this game or last game. I will see if I can find it.

[xorxes]

As an example, a cop is likely to scan someone he has publicly scum read, and if he gets an innocent scan, he may then make his scan target one of his top town reads to make his scan obvious if he gets NKed. Scum looking for PRs might pick up on read changes like this.

Wouldn't this change of heart be even more blatant with the hypo thing, if you have been scumreading someone and suddenly you hypo-claim you have an inno scan on them?

I think scum tend to go for fearkills rather than PR hunt, unfortunately for me.

Not if a number of VT did the same thing to help keep the cop hidden. Here, the scum do not even know whether there is a cop or tracker.

So you want town to claim they have an inno scan on their scumread so as to cover for a potential cop? And then they can't vote for their scumread?

[bozotheclown]

@bozo, I see where you are coming from, thanks for the explanation <3

I need to think more on the hypo it seems. That being said, I think brain might be your hardest adversary to overcome in getting unanimous approval.

I don't think we need unanimous approval, I would argue that a majority should be enough.

Because anyone who doesn't comply would be lynched? But scum would probably just go with the flow and make sure to comply, and people that don't comply would be lazy or uninvolved town.

If the majority voted in favor, those than voted against would have to go along with the majority vote or refuse to participate. It would be up to everyone how to interpret a refusal to participate.

[bozotheclown]

Wouldn't this change of heart be even more blatant with the hypo thing, if you have been scumreading someone and suddenly you hypo-claim you have an inno scan on them?

I think scum tend to go for fearkills rather than PR hunt, unfortunately for me.

Not if a number of VT did the same thing to help keep the cop hidden. Here, the scum do not even know whether there is a cop or tracker.

So you want town to claim they have an inno scan on their scumread so as to cover for a potential cop? And then they can't vote for their scumread?

Everyone could do what they wanted, that is what would make it interesting.

[bozotheclown]

I have looked at every post in this game by Worcej and I can't see him saying he has never fakeclaimed as scum.

Either:

- Bozo has made a mistake.
- Bozo is talking about something Worcej said in a different game.
- Bozo is full of shit.
- I cannot read.

He didn't say it this game, but he has said before that he cherishes his reputation for never fakeclaiming. I'm sure worcej himself can verify that for you so we don't need to go looking for quotes from past games.

Bozo's entire theory relies on Worcej having said this weird, unsustainable, stupid thing. I absolutely want Bozo to find me the quote on which he is relying.

OK, from M39:

I mean im satisfied in the sense that youre scum. And one of rivera or durga is absolutely mortified that yer going down in flames. On the off chance theyre scum together then good job to them white knighting is a thing. Ill keep that in mind.

No further interrogations for now medic with armor bonus.

Chill out. This may be pretty important in lylo when yer still alive. Your actions may come under a microscope. Right now yer looking pretty scummy. No reason to freak out like you are. Theres very little chaos in my questioning you. You didnt use your items in a very logical manner. And fwiw I think youre just simply smarter than the actions you claimed to have taken.

Flattery will get you no where - I am shit at mafia. Here is why:

I will play this terrible card. I hard-claimed the kit. I've never lied when I used the HC in the 3 games I've done it. Do you still believe I want to fuck this card up by lying about it?

I was scum in the noob game Jaime hosted.

Did you make any hard claims?

I do not recall ever HC'ing in that game, I danced around being scum and worked with DrCJG to create distance from each other and sew discontent.

Yavu was right, he super screwed up and put an end vote in on a town lynch and me and DrCJG added to it in mylo, so we won.

[xorxes]

People I wouldn't vote for at this stage: bozo, Jamiet, foodcoats, Nephthys
People I'm not particularly inclined to vote for at this stage: damo, tdfrance, brainbomb
People I wouldn't mind voting for at this stage: worcej, RagingIke, DrCJG

So let's ##VOTE DrCJG for now.

@DrCJG: Why exactly are you voting for me? You quote several people in your vote post but it's not clear what does what they say have to do with your vote. You say I'm hedging in my comment about bozo's plan, but what could the scum motivation to hedge on a mechanics question be?

[worcej]

worcej is my top scum suspect based on what appeared to be an attempt to avoid hard claiming town.

The reason I avoid it is because it’s boring to just be pressured into it every game. I am beginning to understand what WarLegend meant...

Either you believe me or you don’t, I can’t control that beyond my track record.