Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[rdrivera2005]

Yeah that usually doesn't work, convincing others of being town and stuff. People usually ignore that. So as far as I see it, as you'll probably decide to misvote me, I then have about a 50/50 shot in throwing the couch potato to the correct one of you and win us the game. Then,

@RD what makes you town? Why shouldn't I throw the couch potato to you?

@Will the same for you, what makes you town? Why should I throw the couch potato to RD instead of you?

I don't think the Couch Potato will be the deciding factor here but the HPs as it's unlikely no one of them explode before next day. If we both die today, one on Dk and the other with a potato and you are town is game over.

Anyway, you played with me as scum more then once and you know how I play as scum, I look a lot better when I am scum, I buss when needed and I would never forget to throw potatoes as scum. This game I was wrong on almost all my pushes (maybe I was right about you, but if you are town I am wrong again). Also, look my interactions with Bo to see if it's like we are partners.

[DreamTrawler]

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Don’t want the Couch Potato going to the wrong place

Tbh I think it really is just Rivera and we’re getting paranoid which is exactly the reaction he wanted

[DreamTrawler]

First scenario (Scum Bo, town SP holder) feels most likely to me just because if I were Mafia I would go for the sure kill over hitting SP.

Second (Town Bo, scum SP holder) could also be likely but is predicated on Bo being everyone's top scumread (that was what I meant by the Mean Girls reference).

Third (Town Bo, town SP holder) seems unlikely but I guess Mafia would have a 1 in 3 chance of guessing who has the SP. But once again, why not kill Bo?

I agree first scenario is more likely. Second scenario I think it's unlikely because Dip is almost 100% town. But if Mafia thought they can't win last night, maybe third scenario is possible. It depends a lot on HP. If most HPs were on scum or if scum are well hidden, then targeting SP is a safe move.

I know Rdr explained it away by saying “obviously Dip had it, he was the towniest one” but I really think this was just a blatant scumslip.

[Spartaculous]

GM POST

Vote count 7.1

Kakarroto (2): JustAGuyNamedWill rdrivera2005
rdrivera2005 (1): DreamTrawler
No‑Kill (1): Kakarroto

Kakarroto's name is about to be written in the Death Pote(ato).

About 25.5 hours remain in the phase.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I’m not wavering. We have a chance to get 2 kills instead of just one. If Kak is trying to get me to switch to rdr, its not happening

@kak I’m leaving the decision up to you, whatever it is, for the couch potato

[DreamTrawler]

I’m not wavering. We have a chance to get 2 kills instead of just one. If Kak is trying to get me to switch to rdr, its not happening

@kak I’m leaving the decision up to you, whatever it is, for the couch potato

If we are killing Kak then Kak should toss it to Rivera IMO.

[DreamTrawler]

I guess the real question is - why was there no nightkill? Who stands to benefit from that?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I guess the real question is - why was there no nightkill? Who stands to benefit from that?

Kak does. If rdr explodes from potatoes its an auto loss from Kak

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Exploded last night* i should clarify

Because then Kak would be left with either you or me, and since Kak has the couch potato he can’t stop one of us from just booting his ass and winning for town

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I received one hot potato and one couch potato. So if I explode tonight, it's all in your hands

Yeah Dip said he was throwing it to you I think

wonderful. Ah well, you two should have it, I hope. And with some luck RD explodes tonight anyway for our win

I don’t understand this new paranoia of me from Kak. What changed since this post? I’m arguing for the mechanically best option too, so it just comes off as a little odd that Kak is suddenly so scared of me

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Well anyways

Hoping the HPs don’t explode later if Kak is town, this fun game would be a shame if it ended in a draw

[DreamTrawler]

@Kak where are you sending your potatoes?

[Spartaculous]

GM POST

Vote count 7.2

Kakarroto (2): JustAGuyNamedWill rdrivera2005
rdrivera2005 (1): DreamTrawler
No‑Kill (1): Kakarroto

Kakarroto is leading the vote.

> 5 hours left.

[Kakarroto]

You have to understand that me and Dream never make this kill in a million years

And its mechanically our best shot. If me or Dream died, the vote would be between you and rdr anyway. No Killing is just adding an extra layer for me or Dream to hurdle in order to win

@Kak do you think that if I’m town, then this plan is the mechanically best option?

but what guarantee do I have that you are town? The best mechanical play is to either vote RD or you out, and send the other the potato.

[Kakarroto]

I have scumread and cased all 3 of the mafia we’ve flipped so far when there was no reason to do so

Bozo wasn’t dying (thank god for the HP blowing up), and I was on to Control V from day 2. I also cased Bo when there was no reason to, after people starting townreading him

yes, you were exceptionally sharp from the start of the game, you championed for people who were misvoted and were very loud and pushing for those who flipped mafia.

I called you out for that early on, but with how bo reacted to you I figured you are unlikely his partner. But looking back at that again, and seeing how the end plays out, with the hot potatoes and the couch potato, I wonder, has that all been in preparation for this? Like, was that just big maf-theatre and you had this big plan from the start, bussing your team hard?

Short answer, no

The way I went about it is different, and unlike my hellbussing game, I argued *against* town flips and defended them as well

Its different

Do you believe my town game resembles any of my scum games?

you are very hard to distinguish with your play, if you are mafia or town. You might think otherwise since you know your thoughts, but I don't. No one else does. And I got a very eerie feeling that you had a kind of mask off moment earlier, when you pushed for your idea.

Thinking of that, you had that idea very fast. Did you prepare all that in advance? That would explain a lot

[Kakarroto]

Yeah that usually doesn't work, convincing others of being town and stuff. People usually ignore that. So as far as I see it, as you'll probably decide to misvote me, I then have about a 50/50 shot in throwing the couch potato to the correct one of you and win us the game. Then,

@RD what makes you town? Why shouldn't I throw the couch potato to you?

@Will the same for you, what makes you town? Why should I throw the couch potato to RD instead of you?

I don't think the Couch Potato will be the deciding factor here but the HPs as it's unlikely no one of them explode before next day. If we both die today, one on Dk and the other with a potato and you are town is game over.

Anyway, you played with me as scum more then once and you know how I play as scum, I look a lot better when I am scum, I buss when needed and I would never forget to throw potatoes as scum. This game I was wrong on almost all my pushes (maybe I was right about you, but if you are town I am wrong again). Also, look my interactions with Bo to see if it's like we are partners.

yeah, I give you that you probably would try to look better. Could be due to not much time, but then again you would know how to deal with it. Maybe I'm wrong. I'm certain mafia is between you and Will, and if Dream is it, then I'll eat a broom. I'm not mafia, so if you are town, you should vote Will and not me.

[Kakarroto]

I guess the real question is - why was there no nightkill? Who stands to benefit from that?

Kak does. If rdr explodes from potatoes its an auto loss from Kak

but that would only be true if I was mafia. You know very well I hate it getting misvoted on the final day, and you and yo ur push here just rings my alarmbells.

Misvoting me here while I send the couch potato to RD would mean the victory for maf-Will, and I'm absolutely not in the mood to let that happen. Like, the stage is absolutely set for you if you are mafia, and relying on a wrong thought from me that RD is the mafia.

No, I just can't let that happen, so I'll keep Will as the main target and RD ast he second target. So whoever you choose of voting, the other one will get the potato. And if you misvote me here, that is fully here on you all. I've tried hard to get mafia out, and I've also tried hard to not get people voted out that were cleare town, and sure I were also on some misvotes involved, but nobody is perfect.

I am not mafia, and you should not vote me out if you want to win this (except if you are mafia, then I understand, but if you are town, get off of me)

[Kakarroto]

@Kak where are you sending your potatoes?

first target Will
second target RD

we should vote out the other one

[DreamTrawler]

I still stand by voting Rdr if Will wants to join me. But ofc if Kak is Mafia then it’s over for us