Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[DreamTrawler]

Ok so -

Rdrivera:
- It's hard to question Rdrivera when he is rarely here and everyone else is calling me scum for even suspecting him / not finding his SP throw to me as convincing evidence
- I said Rdrivera wasn't dying today because Bunny said he wasn't voting Rdrivera and Will and Dip had just said they were done for the day. It felt like there was no chance of getting enough traction
- Rdrivera is not just soft cleared but literally cleared if I am scum, idk if you missed that but he passed the sweet potato to me.

Yavuzovic:
- Not questioning Yav - I find Yav hard to read to be honest, he's generally been advancing other people's theories.
- Other than Chaqa he is my biggest scumread at this point though

Control V:
- I guess I should have said something but I did not find Control's explanation of why he stopped suspecting me convincing. Him moving off me was a big part of my scumread of him in the first place.
- The reason I was shopping my vote around so much in the end there was just that I was trying to find a non-Kaka wagon that people were willing to switch to.
- Tbh I am not confident in my reads, I don't want to play the new player card but the hesitancy you are seeing in my accusations is probably because of that

[yavuzovic]

Thinking about what Sparta said before the EoD about multiple ways to die... What is the possibility that Control V had the rotten potato? I must admit, I didn't follow the potato movements since Bozo died. I don't expect, and recommend sweet potato holder to claim but if there is no rotten potato, that would mean scum planned and set it on whom they believed to hold the SP.
We only had one kill this evening. If nobody has the rotten potato, nobody also has sweet potato. Is there anything we would lose by claiming to hold the RP? Since if this is true, scum already know that SP is gone but we don't?

[DreamTrawler]

Thinking about what Sparta said before the EoD about multiple ways to die... What is the possibility that Control V had the rotten potato? I must admit, I didn't follow the potato movements since Bozo died. I don't expect, and recommend sweet potato holder to claim but if there is no rotten potato, that would mean scum planned and set it on whom they believed to hold the SP.
We only had one kill this evening. If nobody has the rotten potato, nobody also has sweet potato. Is there anything we would lose by claiming to hold the RP? Since if this is true, scum already know that SP is gone but we don't?

I don't follow this at all and the SP holder should DEFINITELY NOT claim.

[DreamTrawler]

D1:
BunnyGo: HP, Chaqa
Chaqa: HP, Jamie
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
DreamTrawler: HP, Control V
ghug: HP, ?
Jamie: HP, Chaqa
Kakarroto: CP, brainbomb
miminena: SP, bozo
Red Neurax: HP, damo

N1:
bo_sox: 1 HP, Just
bozo: SP, BunnyGo
brainbomb: CP
Chaqa: 2 HPs, bo_sox, ghug
Control V: 1 HP, miminena
damo: 1 HP, random player
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
Jamie: 2 HPs, brainbomb, DiplomacyandWarfare

D2:
bo_sox: 1 HP, rdrivera
brainbomb: CP, 1 HP
BunnyGo: SP, miminena
DiplomacyandWarfare: 2 HPs
Will: 2 HPs, brainbomb
miminena: 1 HP, Chaqa

N2:
brainbomb: 2 HPs
Chaqa: 2 HPs, Just, rdrivera
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
Jamie: 1 HP
Will: CP
miminena: SP; 1 HP, BunnyGo
rdrivera: 1 HP, damo

D3:
bo_sox: 1 HP
BunnyGo: 1 HP, bozo
damo: 2 HPs
DiplomacyandWarfare: 1 HP
Just: CP, 1 HP
rdrivera: SP; 1 HP, Chaqa

N3:
bo_sox: 2 HPs
bozo: 1 HP (exploded)
Chaqa: 1 HP, DreamTrawler
Control V: 1 HP, rdrivera
Will: 1 HP, Control V
DreamTrawler: SP

D4:
rdrivera: 1 HP, random target
Chaqa: 1 HP
Dream: 1 HP, rdrivera
Will: 1 HP, random target
Control V: 1 HP
Dip&War: 1+ HPs
Kaka: CP

D5:
yavuzovic: 1 HP
rdrivera: 1 HP
Will: 1 HP
BunnyGo: 1 HP

Just realized there's a chance that Control V threw the potato at Bunny last minute.

[BunnyGo]

Thinking about what Sparta said before the EoD about multiple ways to die... What is the possibility that Control V had the rotten potato? I must admit, I didn't follow the potato movements since Bozo died. I don't expect, and recommend sweet potato holder to claim but if there is no rotten potato, that would mean scum planned and set it on whom they believed to hold the SP.
We only had one kill this evening. If nobody has the rotten potato, nobody also has sweet potato. Is there anything we would lose by claiming to hold the RP? Since if this is true, scum already know that SP is gone but we don't?

I don't follow this at all and the SP holder should DEFINITELY NOT claim.

Yeah. I think at this point the SP is stronger for saving a townclear or near townclear (it’s mech purpose) than it is for correlating alignments

[yavuzovic]

Thinking about what Sparta said before the EoD about multiple ways to die... What is the possibility that Control V had the rotten potato? I must admit, I didn't follow the potato movements since Bozo died. I don't expect, and recommend sweet potato holder to claim but if there is no rotten potato, that would mean scum planned and set it on whom they believed to hold the SP.
We only had one kill this evening. If nobody has the rotten potato, nobody also has sweet potato. Is there anything we would lose by claiming to hold the RP? Since if this is true, scum already know that SP is gone but we don't?

I don't follow this at all and the SP holder should DEFINITELY NOT claim.

Yeah, but we can confirm this by claiming RP (or not having RP). Nowhere in my post I supported SP claim. I even did the opposite.

[BunnyGo]

D1:
BunnyGo: HP, Chaqa
Chaqa: HP, Jamie
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
DreamTrawler: HP, Control V
ghug: HP, ?
Jamie: HP, Chaqa
Kakarroto: CP, brainbomb
miminena: SP, bozo
Red Neurax: HP, damo

N1:
bo_sox: 1 HP, Just
bozo: SP, BunnyGo
brainbomb: CP
Chaqa: 2 HPs, bo_sox, ghug
Control V: 1 HP, miminena
damo: 1 HP, random player
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
Jamie: 2 HPs, brainbomb, DiplomacyandWarfare

D2:
bo_sox: 1 HP, rdrivera
brainbomb: CP, 1 HP
BunnyGo: SP, miminena
DiplomacyandWarfare: 2 HPs
Will: 2 HPs, brainbomb
miminena: 1 HP, Chaqa

N2:
brainbomb: 2 HPs
Chaqa: 2 HPs, Just, rdrivera
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
Jamie: 1 HP
Will: CP
miminena: SP; 1 HP, BunnyGo
rdrivera: 1 HP, damo

D3:
bo_sox: 1 HP
BunnyGo: 1 HP, bozo
damo: 2 HPs
DiplomacyandWarfare: 1 HP
Just: CP, 1 HP
rdrivera: SP; 1 HP, Chaqa

N3:
bo_sox: 2 HPs
bozo: 1 HP (exploded)
Chaqa: 1 HP, DreamTrawler
Control V: 1 HP, rdrivera
Will: 1 HP, Control V
DreamTrawler: SP

D4:
rdrivera: 1 HP, random target
Chaqa: 1 HP
Dream: 1 HP, rdrivera
Will: 1 HP, random target
Control V: 1 HP
Dip&War: 1+ HPs
Kaka: CP

D5:
yavuzovic: 1 HP
rdrivera: 1 HP
Will: 1 HP
BunnyGo: 1 HP

Just realized there's a chance that Control V threw the potato at Bunny last minute.

Also true.

Also I think Just is cleared throwing a hot potato later in the game to Control. But Dream is not since early in the game it’s less likely to be a risk and possibly a very safe “bus” while retaining control until they throw at towncore.

[yavuzovic]

Also true.

Also I think Just is cleared throwing a hot potato later in the game to Control. But Dream is not since early in the game it’s less likely to be a risk and possibly a very safe “bus” while retaining control until they throw at towncore.

Great observation

[DreamTrawler]

Thinking about what Sparta said before the EoD about multiple ways to die... What is the possibility that Control V had the rotten potato? I must admit, I didn't follow the potato movements since Bozo died. I don't expect, and recommend sweet potato holder to claim but if there is no rotten potato, that would mean scum planned and set it on whom they believed to hold the SP.
We only had one kill this evening. If nobody has the rotten potato, nobody also has sweet potato. Is there anything we would lose by claiming to hold the RP? Since if this is true, scum already know that SP is gone but we don't?

I don't follow this at all and the SP holder should DEFINITELY NOT claim.

Wait, misread. You said meant "don't recommend."

So you're saying Control V had the rotten potato, correctly guessed who the sweet potato holder was, and targeted them to remove the SP? I find that really unlikely.

[BunnyGo]

Yeah. That’s weird we lost track of the RP

[DreamTrawler]

Yeah. That’s weird we lost track of the RP

We still don't even know if Dip actually had it or if it was consumed by brainbomb/Jamie killing the other. But the last time I brought this up Dip said I didn't read properly so idk

[DreamTrawler]

Also fwiw I threw it to Control D1 because he suspected me and I was hoping he would throw it back to me not knowing where it came form.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

D1:
BunnyGo: HP, Chaqa
Chaqa: HP, Jamie
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
DreamTrawler: HP, Control V
ghug: HP, ?
Jamie: HP, Chaqa
Kakarroto: CP, brainbomb
miminena: SP, bozo
Red Neurax: HP, damo

N1:
bo_sox: 1 HP, Just
bozo: SP, BunnyGo
brainbomb: CP
Chaqa: 2 HPs, bo_sox, ghug
Control V: 1 HP, miminena
damo: 1 HP, random player
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
Jamie: 2 HPs, brainbomb, DiplomacyandWarfare

D2:
bo_sox: 1 HP, rdrivera
brainbomb: CP, 1 HP
BunnyGo: SP, miminena
DiplomacyandWarfare: 2 HPs
Will: 2 HPs, brainbomb
miminena: 1 HP, Chaqa

N2:
brainbomb: 2 HPs
Chaqa: 2 HPs, Just, rdrivera
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
Jamie: 1 HP
Will: CP
miminena: SP; 1 HP, BunnyGo
rdrivera: 1 HP, damo

D3:
bo_sox: 1 HP
BunnyGo: 1 HP, bozo
damo: 2 HPs
DiplomacyandWarfare: 1 HP
Just: CP, 1 HP
rdrivera: SP; 1 HP, Chaqa

N3:
bo_sox: 2 HPs
bozo: 1 HP (exploded)
Chaqa: 1 HP, DreamTrawler
Control V: 1 HP, rdrivera
Will: 1 HP, Control V
DreamTrawler: SP

D4:
rdrivera: 1 HP, random target
Chaqa: 1 HP
Dream: 1 HP, rdrivera
Will: 1 HP, random target
Control V: 1 HP
Dip&War: 1+ HPs
Kaka: CP

D5:
yavuzovic: 1 HP
rdrivera: 1 HP
Will: 1 HP
BunnyGo: 1 HP

Just realized there's a chance that Control V threw the potato at Bunny last minute.

Also true.

Also I think Just is cleared throwing a hot potato later in the game to Control. But Dream is not since early in the game it’s less likely to be a risk and possibly a very safe “bus” while retaining control until they throw at towncore.

Yay!

Also @Dream I do NOT have an HP. I mistakenly saw a prod by the GM as a HP receive message. I have no HP

[BunnyGo]

Also true.

Also I think Just is cleared throwing a hot potato later in the game to Control. But Dream is not since early in the game it’s less likely to be a risk and possibly a very safe “bus” while retaining control until they throw at towncore.

Great observation

Same with control throwing to rdr?

Assuming that’s true then:

I’m 100% town. (Yay Bunny!)
Just and rdr are clear unless scum passed HPs between them N3.

bo looks great.


Leaving:

D&W
Kaka
Dream
Yavu
Chaqa

In my rough order from towniest to scummiest.

[BunnyGo]

Yeah. That’s weird we lost track of the RP

We still don't even know if Dip actually had it or if it was consumed by brainbomb/Jamie killing the other. But the last time I brought this up Dip said I didn't read properly so idk

How does the RP get consumed?

[yavuzovic]

Yeah. That’s weird we lost track of the RP

We still don't even know if Dip actually had it or if it was consumed by brainbomb/Jamie killing the other. But the last time I brought this up Dip said I didn't read properly so idk

Dip received regular HPs after that so if he really had it, it must be gone now.
@dip can you confirm if you had rotten potato after brain&jamie were gone?

[yavuzovic]

Yeah. That’s weird we lost track of the RP

We still don't even know if Dip actually had it or if it was consumed by brainbomb/Jamie killing the other. But the last time I brought this up Dip said I didn't read properly so idk

How does the RP get consumed?

By causing a kill?

[yavuzovic]

We still don't even know if Dip actually had it or if it was consumed by brainbomb/Jamie killing the other. But the last time I brought this up Dip said I didn't read properly so idk

How does the RP get consumed?

By causing a kill?

Nowhere in the initial mechanics I could find a rule that says RP is consumed, unlike SP. But I don't see how it can move if the holder dies as well. But here is the crazy theory that is unlikely to be true, but theoretically possible:
If Control V held a hot potato at the time they are being killed, he could throw it to someone just a moment before they are dead, and guess what happens when you throw a hot potato, that's right, you get the rotten potato. I don't know how GM would make sure someone can decide who they target within minutes before announcing the night, but yeah here is my theory - which not even I believe.

[Chaqa]

I’m pretty sure yavu is also one

I forgot to submit an order so idk where my potato went

[yavuzovic]

I’m pretty sure yavu is also one

I forgot to submit an order so idk where my potato went

I have your randomized potato so you may see your top read flip town tonight