Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[DreamTrawler]

Yavu... you also voted Damo yesterday.

[Control V]

@Control V Day 1 and 2 you were hard scumreading me and leading the case against me but with (IMO) flimsy evidence. Now I'm a leading wagon but you seem to be townreading me even though by my own admission I look sus rn. Why?

This might not parse as an answer on skim but it is.

I Do think Dream is doing none of the things I suspected them for early on and has in fact been quite the opposite, so I might not be super surprised if they flipped mafia but I can't suspect them easily.

[Control V]

I think bozo's flip makes Kaka looks good for now and Chaqa is ... he was lurky earlier but now I see his post, I must read better. I will also consider you.

I Don't like his treatment of Bozo while knowing that I'm town.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Are we still doing this?

I Don't have a link to my most recent game anymore and don't know where to find one.

Can I interest you in killing Kaka/Chaqa, hopefully disabling the investigative powers of the sweet potato and allowing me to clutch out a win in endgame if I don't explode?

I think bozo's flip makes Kaka looks good for now and Chaqa is ... he was lurky earlier but now I see his post, I must read better. I will also consider you.

Can you summarize me the case against Control V? For some reason I don't remember much interaction with him.

He has failed to sufficiently solve imo and looks pretty bad based on the flips and his voting history

I mean, I also failed to sufficiently solve yesterday because I was so convinced to kill damo, and I would probably townread bozo if potato didn't explode. Especially that we don't have power roles, it is pretty normal to have hard time solving the game. But the vote history is a different story. I indeed didn't like his votes. Especially bringing damo to compete against bozo yesterday.
Alright, let's ##vote Control V. And hear his defense.

When I say sufficient, I dont mean correct. Players can solve a lot and come to a wrong conclusion and vice versa. Control V has both been wrong and not solved

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Its just unrealistic to tell people they’re scummy for being wrong. Nobodys perfect, but the different between you @yavu and control is that you seem to genuinely have believed damo was scum whereas Control pushed for the miskill

[Control V]

When I say sufficient, I dont mean correct. Players can solve a lot and come to a wrong conclusion and vice versa. Control V has both been wrong and not solved

Show your work.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

When I say sufficient, I dont mean correct. Players can solve a lot and come to a wrong conclusion and vice versa. Control V has both been wrong and not solved

Show your work.

I can’t show what isn’t there

I dont believe your progression on damo is strong or really present at all. In fact I see a singular post scumreading damo

You also not only do this but mysteriously switch to red at EOD2, with no reasoning given

https://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=93&user=Control%20V

The bot is above for anyone who wants to check my work

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I will admit that you did show some reasoning behind DreamTrawler. However Dream has never been a point of contention until today, so I don’t necessarily give you credit for it. The people that were importnat to the gamestate on days 2 and 3 (red damo bozo etc) were not nearly elaborated upon enough by you

[Control V]

When I say sufficient, I dont mean correct. Players can solve a lot and come to a wrong conclusion and vice versa. Control V has both been wrong and not solved

Show your work.

I can’t show what isn’t there

I dont believe your progression on damo is strong or really present at all. In fact I see a singular post scumreading damo

You also not only do this but mysteriously switch to red at EOD2, with no reasoning given

https://mafia.peterlund.se/e/web/msgs?g=93&user=Control%20V

The bot is above for anyone who wants to check my work

For some reason it isn't showing posts where I quoted Damo but there are still posts scumreading Damo.

[Control V]

Also what is this the isos I was using earlier worked fine but this is not an iso at all imo.

[rdrivera2005]

Why did you pass it to Dream?

I thought we need to build another pairs so won't pass to mimi, you and Bozo. I also don't want to gave to a lurker. D&W faking some many claims looks notcreliable. So I was between Dream and Will, decided to toss to Dream because he isn't likely to be the NK and didn't have a HP.

This logic is highly suspicious. You tossed it to me because I was unlikely to be the nightkill? Did you forget the sweet potato has another use beyond generating clears? To me it looks like you got it safely out of the way to nightkill Mimi. And you gave it to one of the most highly suspected townies (me) so that I could be easily daykilled.

I think keeping SP around is the best use for it, we can have clears and stiil use it for a save or to expose scum later, so I won't pass to someone likely to be the NK, even to save Mini. If you are not scum, Mafia team shot Mini even risking hitting SP, probably because they want to hit it as soon as possible.

[rdrivera2005]

I thought we need to build another pairs so won't pass to mimi, you and Bozo. I also don't want to gave to a lurker. D&W faking some many claims looks notcreliable. So I was between Dream and Will, decided to toss to Dream because he isn't likely to be the NK and didn't have a HP.

This logic is highly suspicious. You tossed it to me because I was unlikely to be the nightkill? Did you forget the sweet potato has another use beyond generating clears? To me it looks like you got it safely out of the way to nightkill Mimi. And you gave it to one of the most highly suspected townies (me) so that I could be easily daykilled.

You haven't disclosed your townreads, but I'm wondering why you didn't keep the potato within the chain of people that already had it. Both to save them from nightkill and to self clear.

Why didn't you throw it to Mimi, even though she was a likely target for nightkill? "Mimi gave it to me so I wanted to generate new info" Ok sure

Why didn't you throw it to Bozo? Then voting Bozo on D4 would possibly clear 3 people right? "Because I thought Bozo was Mafia" Or because you knew Bozo was Mafia? Anyway, good thing you didn't because he's dead now.

Why didn't you throw it to Bunny? ??? I don't have a rebuttal for you here so please write your own.

I already answered it, I think best use for SP is getting more info to town not saving anyone and making a cycle with Bunny didn't seemed the best way to achieve this.
I think people that are in the POE is the best way to get info (and I guess Mimi agrees as she passed it to me).

[rdrivera2005]

Dream is making sense ##unvote

No he isn't. He is just tryng to start another wagon to save himself. Which is NAI.

[rdrivera2005]

still impossible

i passed the sp to bozo, so we can't both be scum. bozo passed the sp to bunny, so they can't both be scum. bunny passed the sp back to me, so we can't both be scum

I think this pattern of making a circle with the SP is interesting because of exactly this effect, but at some point it needs to move to others players to get more info. But then there is a risk of passing to a scumbo. Hard call.

Interesting post given he was holding the SP at the time. Not necessarily scummy, but interesting.

I was tryng to decide what to do with SP and want to hear some thoughts but no one answered. Which is one reason I get even more suspicious of Damo and Bozo.

[rdrivera2005]

@Control V Day 1 and 2 you were hard scumreading me and leading the case against me but with (IMO) flimsy evidence. Now I'm a leading wagon but you seem to be townreading me even though by my own admission I look sus rn. Why?

By the way, I don’t want to kill you today, I think we should wait until D5 to see who you passed the SP and what happened at night. But I will get back to this later.

[rdrivera2005]

At this point my POE for today are Kak, Control, Yav, Chaqa and Dream. Basically everyone who has votes but me.

##vote Kak

He usually have teeth as town even when he lurks. Doesn't seem the case on this game.

[DreamTrawler]

This logic is highly suspicious. You tossed it to me because I was unlikely to be the nightkill? Did you forget the sweet potato has another use beyond generating clears? To me it looks like you got it safely out of the way to nightkill Mimi. And you gave it to one of the most highly suspected townies (me) so that I could be easily daykilled.

You haven't disclosed your townreads, but I'm wondering why you didn't keep the potato within the chain of people that already had it. Both to save them from nightkill and to self clear.

Why didn't you throw it to Mimi, even though she was a likely target for nightkill? "Mimi gave it to me so I wanted to generate new info" Ok sure

Why didn't you throw it to Bozo? Then voting Bozo on D4 would possibly clear 3 people right? "Because I thought Bozo was Mafia" Or because you knew Bozo was Mafia? Anyway, good thing you didn't because he's dead now.

Why didn't you throw it to Bunny? ??? I don't have a rebuttal for you here so please write your own.

I already answered it, I think best use for SP is getting more info to town not saving anyone and making a cycle with Bunny didn't seemed the best way to achieve this.
I think people that are in the POE is the best way to get info (and I guess Mimi agrees as she passed it to me).

So you passed it to me because you suspected me?

[DreamTrawler]

@Control V Day 1 and 2 you were hard scumreading me and leading the case against me but with (IMO) flimsy evidence. Now I'm a leading wagon but you seem to be townreading me even though by my own admission I look sus rn. Why?

By the way, I don’t want to kill you today, I think we should wait until D5 to see who you passed the SP and what happened at night. But I will get back to this later.

I have some info to disclose but I'm not sure when is the right time to do so or if I should at all.

[Control V]

##vote Kaka

Classic VC.

[Spartaculous]

GM POST

Vote count 4.3

Control V (3): JustAGuyNamedWill, Kakarroto, yavuzovic
Kakarroto (3): bo_sox48, rdrivera2005, Control V
DreamTrawler (2): DiplomacyandWarfare, BunnyGo
rdrivera2005 (1): DreamTrawler
yavuzovic (1): Chaqa

Everyone is safe for the time being.

Kakarroto and Chaqa need a few more posts.

Just under 24 hours remain in the phase.