Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[DreamTrawler]

Well, actually now that I think about it, maybe not

Because we dont want scum just killing rdr or whatnot

How would they kill him when he has the sweet potato?

i thought the kill happened before a potato pass?

I’m confused - I thought you meant the current holder should give it to Rdr at EoD to hold during the night. The kill does happen before the potato pass.

[Spartaculous]

GM POST

Vote count 4.1

Control V (2): JustAGuyNamedWill, Kakarroto
DreamTrawler (1): DiplomacyandWarfare
Kakarroto (1): bo_sox48
rdrivera2005 (1): DreamTrawler

Many need to post more and/or vote; much time remains.

[Control V]

DIP TOWNCASE

Read over bozo’s ISO

Wanted to check if he and dip truly were at odds and were not just distancing

Its extremely clearly town dip vs mafia bozo

The posts that make me think this are the ones on page 124. He has spent the last few days bombarding dip and being absolutely certain that Dip is mafia. However, as soon as I shift toward scumreading damo, he uses this argument.

Dip form a towncore with me just for the day and lets investigate bozo

Bozo has done very little imo and it seems like he’s coasting

You posted a reads list D2 that did not include me at all, then at the end of N2 I posted this:

I think there is as good chance DiplomacyandWarfare is mafia, using the acquisition of the RP to try to look like town. For someone so interested in the potatoes, he did not seem to care at all if the SP was taken out D1 by DKing miminena. I also think some mafia are blending in fairly well. I have concerns about Just and BunnyGo, they have not done much to make me think they are likely to be town, and they are both good at hiding as mafia.

Then, you conclude I am mafia. Somehow I don't think that is a coincidence.

Also, I get the feeling DiplomacyandWarfare may be town because it looks like you are pocketing him.

Dip having this elaborate unnecessary plan is so uber townie from him and I won’t reeval that for at least a day or two

potential pocketing

This is very TMI indicative. Bozo later posits that me and Dip may be on a scumteam. But he uses Dip’s alignment being town to scumread me. To both simultaneously believe Dip is mafia and use Dip being town to call me mafia is very indicative of TMI. Bozo TMI’ed Dip town without realizing

He also says this the very next post!

Dip as town will go

“Wow Jamie is mafia for this beacuse A, B, C, and D”

Dip as scum will see a post saying “Jamie is scum for A, B, C, and D” and respond with “yeah I agree” as his read

Dip has unique and interesting ideas as town, and as mafia he is much more sheepish

I was mafia with DiplomacyandWarfare in the last game I played (M92), and this is not consistent with how I think DiplomacyandWarfare played that game.

@DiplomacyandWarfare: Do you think Just has accurately described how you play as mafia here?

Bozo would not shoot this down. He knows I’m one of the only people who meta dive like this. This is indicative of bozo knowing Dip is town

This isn't simultaneous and I buy this progression way easier than the level of blatant tmi you are describing.

This likely does indicate TMI of Dip being innocent though.

[rdrivera2005]

I am busy, but just to help. I had SP on D3 and passed it to Dream. I have a HP now.

excellent. You are conf, dream cannot be holding the sweet potato and we get another conf if dream flips scum.

How I am conf? I think Mimi tossed me the SP, so unless Dream flips scum there is no way I am conf.

[rdrivera2005]

I am busy, but just to help. I had SP on D3 and passed it to Dream. I have a HP now.

Why did you pass it to Dream?

I thought we need to build another pairs so won't pass to mimi, you and Bozo. I also don't want to gave to a lurker. D&W faking some many claims looks notcreliable. So I was between Dream and Will, decided to toss to Dream because he isn't likely to be the NK and didn't have a HP.

[Control V]

I'm not seeing anything more hard from either side but they were obviously at odds to a great extent.

Can someone who's following the mech better explain what's up there with the extra potato thing?

This isn't simultaneous and I buy this progression way easier than the level of blatant tmi you are describing.

And will why should I believe this is a real read rather than you twisting things to make yourself look spewed?

[rdrivera2005]

Ok, gonna log off for a bit. For now ##vote rdrivera2005 for purely selfish reasons (clearing myself). And for being on damo wagon twice.

This logic is so bad in so many ways.

I am your top scumread? If not, who is?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

DIP TOWNCASE

Read over bozo’s ISO

Wanted to check if he and dip truly were at odds and were not just distancing

Its extremely clearly town dip vs mafia bozo

The posts that make me think this are the ones on page 124. He has spent the last few days bombarding dip and being absolutely certain that Dip is mafia. However, as soon as I shift toward scumreading damo, he uses this argument.

You posted a reads list D2 that did not include me at all, then at the end of N2 I posted this:



Then, you conclude I am mafia. Somehow I don't think that is a coincidence.

Also, I get the feeling DiplomacyandWarfare may be town because it looks like you are pocketing him.

potential pocketing

This is very TMI indicative. Bozo later posits that me and Dip may be on a scumteam. But he uses Dip’s alignment being town to scumread me. To both simultaneously believe Dip is mafia and use Dip being town to call me mafia is very indicative of TMI. Bozo TMI’ed Dip town without realizing

He also says this the very next post!

I was mafia with DiplomacyandWarfare in the last game I played (M92), and this is not consistent with how I think DiplomacyandWarfare played that game.

@DiplomacyandWarfare: Do you think Just has accurately described how you play as mafia here?

Bozo would not shoot this down. He knows I’m one of the only people who meta dive like this. This is indicative of bozo knowing Dip is town

This isn't simultaneous and I buy this progression way easier than the level of blatant tmi you are describing.

This likely does indicate TMI of Dip being innocent though.

It is simultaneous. Both before and after this post Bozo had repeatedly advocated for Dip to die, and continued throwing me under the bus afterward.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I'm not seeing anything more hard from either side but they were obviously at odds to a great extent.

Can someone who's following the mech better explain what's up there with the extra potato thing?

This isn't simultaneous and I buy this progression way easier than the level of blatant tmi you are describing.

And will why should I believe this is a real read rather than you twisting things to make yourself look spewed?

?

I dont understand the question

If you’re asking me why you should believe it, then I can’t answer that. As a townie, thats up to you. I gave you my reasoning, if if you’re town its your responsibility to find the truth in it. Not mine

If you’re asking if I’m arguing that I’m spewed, thats also false. That entire post was casing Dip as town. Nowhere in that post did I argue ‘this means Will is town’. Whole thing was about Dip

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I'm not seeing anything more hard from either side but they were obviously at odds to a great extent.

Can someone who's following the mech better explain what's up there with the extra potato thing?

This isn't simultaneous and I buy this progression way easier than the level of blatant tmi you are describing.

And will why should I believe this is a real read rather than you twisting things to make yourself look spewed?

@Control

How can bozo reconcile the fact that he scumreads Dip and the only reason he gave the ENTIRE game for voting me was that he thought I was pocketing town dip

Went back and checked too. Not once does he ever even remotely *hint* I’m mafia until I start accusing him. Then for some reason he magically drops the scumread on Dip to accuse me

I just don’t think a mafia player ever does that with a mafia teammate. I feel if Dip and Bozo are teammates then Bozo’s arguments regarding Dip would be more consistent

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Reading Bo_Sox’s ISO, it doesn’t look that great

Day 1 he is agressively antitown, voting for townsperson after townsperson and scumming other townspeople

however as the days go on he does get a bit better, I give him credit for wanting to kill Kak, who I still think is scum

I don’t want to give him that much credit for wanting to kill Chaqa since Chaqa was never in danger of getting many votes, but we’ll have to see

The one thing that absolutely stands out to me tho is his insistence that Kak was the one being saved during EODs and not mentioning bozo. Definitely a bad look and I want to hear more from Bo about this

Light Wolflean, although I’m not quite sure where he would slot into my team guess. Maybe in place of Kak? I’d be surprised if a mafia teammate went that hard on Kak

I could see a bo/bozo/chaqa/control world, where bo’s lackluster attempts to kill chaqa are distancing. But I’m just brainstorming

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

My theory on Bo is that he’s probably just someone who’s been wolfsiding a bit. I almost want to say its very unlikely kak and bo are ever on a mafia team together. Kak has been looking ever so slightly better after that EOD, so I’ll have to reconsider my position on him. Still, want to keep an eye on bo. Going to town him lightly just off the fact I dont know if he slots in to my current worldview

[Control V]

DIP TOWNCASE

Read over bozo’s ISO

Wanted to check if he and dip truly were at odds and were not just distancing

Its extremely clearly town dip vs mafia bozo

The posts that make me think this are the ones on page 124. He has spent the last few days bombarding dip and being absolutely certain that Dip is mafia. However, as soon as I shift toward scumreading damo, he uses this argument.





This is very TMI indicative. Bozo later posits that me and Dip may be on a scumteam. But he uses Dip’s alignment being town to scumread me. To both simultaneously believe Dip is mafia and use Dip being town to call me mafia is very indicative of TMI. Bozo TMI’ed Dip town without realizing

He also says this the very next post!



Bozo would not shoot this down. He knows I’m one of the only people who meta dive like this. This is indicative of bozo knowing Dip is town

This isn't simultaneous and I buy this progression way easier than the level of blatant tmi you are describing.

This likely does indicate TMI of Dip being innocent though.

It is simultaneous. Both before and after this post Bozo had repeatedly advocated for Dip to die, and continued throwing me under the bus afterward.

I Think I misunderstood what you were saying but this isn't TMI persay?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

This isn't simultaneous and I buy this progression way easier than the level of blatant tmi you are describing.

This likely does indicate TMI of Dip being innocent though.

It is simultaneous. Both before and after this post Bozo had repeatedly advocated for Dip to die, and continued throwing me under the bus afterward.

I Think I misunderstood what you were saying but this isn't TMI persay?

Maybe so. But, still, it doesn’t align with bozo’s worldview at the moment, and it argues two conflicting points simultaneously. I don’t think bozo would be so careless in making reads based on their partner

[Control V]

I'm not seeing anything more hard from either side but they were obviously at odds to a great extent.

Can someone who's following the mech better explain what's up there with the extra potato thing?

This isn't simultaneous and I buy this progression way easier than the level of blatant tmi you are describing.

And will why should I believe this is a real read rather than you twisting things to make yourself look spewed?

?

I dont understand the question

If you’re asking me why you should believe it, then I can’t answer that. As a townie, thats up to you. I gave you my reasoning, if if you’re town its your responsibility to find the truth in it. Not mine

If you’re asking if I’m arguing that I’m spewed, thats also false. That entire post was casing Dip as town. Nowhere in that post did I argue ‘this means Will is town’. Whole thing was about Dip

I Was probing for what might have caused you to believe something so strange. Also it was about Dip pushing you with "bad faith" how I understood it.

[Control V]

It is simultaneous. Both before and after this post Bozo had repeatedly advocated for Dip to die, and continued throwing me under the bus afterward.

I Think I misunderstood what you were saying but this isn't TMI persay?

Maybe so. But, still, it doesn’t align with bozo’s worldview at the moment, and it argues two conflicting points simultaneously. I don’t think bozo would be so careless in making reads based on their partner

Now I want to say it's TMI but semi-willful.

Disagree with the above arguement but that doesn't matter.

What's your worldview if I'm town btw?

[BunnyGo]

I don't buddy. I'm too much of an ass for that.

Will probably bussed bozo (and bozo bussed him back) and Kaka definitely bussed bozo. As far as I'm concerned, that's three out of four. Shouldn't be a huge challenge to pluck out the fourth in time, but I'm only voting for one of those two today barring a major changeup.

I gave my D3 potato to Will, which I assume he passed, but not back to me as I do not possess any potatoes now. I gave both of my N3 potatoes to bozo, which is now useless. ##CALL GM - did my potatoes get redistributed randomly, or do I still have them or what?

you didn't set a second choice?

[BunnyGo]

Who has the Sweet potato?

Wrong question…

A perfectly pertinent question if a) mafia had the sweet potato last night, and b) Will is mafia and knew that.

try that again

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I Think I misunderstood what you were saying but this isn't TMI persay?

Maybe so. But, still, it doesn’t align with bozo’s worldview at the moment, and it argues two conflicting points simultaneously. I don’t think bozo would be so careless in making reads based on their partner

Now I want to say it's TMI but semi-willful.

Disagree with the above arguement but that doesn't matter.

What's your worldview if I'm town btw?

I’m not quite sure. I still think Chaqa is scummy but I’d have to seriously reconsider my other scumreads. Would take another look at bo and kak (kak pushed you a lot I believe) and then also figure out if Dream fits in to the team

[BunnyGo]

gonna startwith a ##vote dream.

Sticking withmy read that his posts are bad, the "town clear" people have been giving him is bad, and go***** it, his votes look like he's saving bozo. I think the team is:

bozo-dream--???? (maybe chaqa? yavu? if I'm right about dream, then kaka looks better)