Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

All of Bozo’s content as of late has been trashing Dip, whether through reads or his (ableit strange) potato lies

Doesn’t read as bussing to me, so if bozo is mafia then I reckon Dip is town

[yavuzovic]

I voted end on damo but I'm also fine with bozo. I don't like Kak wagon, because, although I'm suspicious about his alignment too, people voting for him except bo all have a history of voting for confirmed towns on both previous days. Given that bo_ was also trying to save damo today, I might as well say that Kak wagon has at least 2 scums. Maybe both damo and bozo are scum and Kak wagon is a response to this?

What I'm saying is, I don't townread Kak because of things he did but because of the wagon movements today, I tend to think he is town.
If either damo or bozo flip scum, the other will be my top scumread and Kak will take a place on my townreads.

I'm staying on Kak for now but I do agree that Damo flip will reveal a lot. What would be your thoughts if Kak flips scum?

If Kak flips scum I will have to spend the next day trying to prove I'm town lol.
Me too, I'm going to be fine with bozo if damo wagon doesn't work out and I have to switch at EoD

[Chaqa]

These wagons are trash

##vote Will

[Spartaculous]

GM POST

Vote count 3.6

Kakarroto (4): BunnyGo*, bo_sox48, miminena, DreamTrawler
damo666 (3): yavuzovic*, rdrivera2005, Control V
bozotheclown (3): JustAGuyNamedWill, DiplomacyandWarfare*, Kakarroto
BunnyGo (2): Chaqa, damo666
DiplomacyandWarfare (1): bozotheclown

Kakarroto is set to become gitterkartoffeln.

2.5 hours remain in day 3.

[Spartaculous]

GM POST

Vote count 3.6.1 (to account for Chaqa's vote)

Kakarroto (4): BunnyGo*, bo_sox48, miminena, DreamTrawler
damo666 (3): yavuzovic*, rdrivera2005, Control V
bozotheclown (3): JustAGuyNamedWill, DiplomacyandWarfare*, Kakarroto
BunnyGo (1): damo666
DiplomacyandWarfare (1): bozotheclown
JustAGuyNamedWill (1): Chaqa

Kakarroto is set to become gitterkartoffeln.

2.5 hours remain in day 3.

[DreamTrawler]

These wagons are trash

##vote Will

Chaqa who are your scumreads other than Bunny and Will?

[bo_sox48]

Get off damo

Get onto red or kak

This is with 12 minutes to go in the phase.

Im happy with kak/brain/chaqa/red wagons

I’d rather not vote damo

Here’s you once again trying to save damo via Red or Kaka with 5 minutes left in the phase.

@bo_
If you believe Just to be saving damo and them being a scum pair, why do you trying to discourage damo wagon? We can flip one first, which will greatly increase the suspicious for the other, and we can start with damo. I don't actually scumread you despite my last post, but as town we should stand together even if damo/just wagons are m/m because then scums can bring a third wagon and present a town alternative which can be mistakenly killed with the help of scum.

Why start by flipping someone I think is town when I can start by flipping someone I think is scum lmao

I don't give a fuck about standing together.

[bo_sox48]

And I haven't killed damo's wagon. I just presented a reasonable alternative, or two actually, and presented my belief that damo is town. Why is it some big deal that damo has competition? I didn't agree to kill him.

[bo_sox48]

That's better than red neurax

I’m down for Red but I don’t think he’s going to slip through the cracks. I’ve given him a shot and gotten nothing out of it and I don’t like to spend my time on people who don’t reveal something for us to digest when pressured, but I agree that at some point it’s going to be necessary for us to go get him.

I do think though that pressure shouldn't be required to give us info. It's a useful tool if someone doesn't talk much, yes, but it shouldn't be the standard for getting information.

It's personally required for me. I don't know what else pressure is for. Is it just to look good, or to hide your vote for a little while on someone you don't care about? When I vote for someone, I intend to gain something from it. I don't always succeed, but I always intend it.

[bo_sox48]

Makes sense I guess. Though I think we are letting Damo slip away again

##vote JustAGuyNamedWill

Then you can pin that directly on me because Damo has been leading all day long without much resistance and that’s not how obvscum wagons tend to go.

How would obvscum wagons tend to go? I can totally see damo being scum and now the town is being distracted away. At strongest he was only a 5-voter wagon and Bunny IMMEDIATELY switched back, from that point damo wagon only lost voters.

They get saved. Clearly, you think I'm the one doing it, though you also say you don't scumread me, so I'm conflicted.

I cannot recall the last time an obvscum wagon simply persisted and led from the beginning of the day through to the end, and, for clarity, I do not think damo is scum so I don't even know why we are having this conversation. That should answer every single one of your questions around why I am presenting alternatives.

[DreamTrawler]

Then you can pin that directly on me because Damo has been leading all day long without much resistance and that’s not how obvscum wagons tend to go.

How would obvscum wagons tend to go? I can totally see damo being scum and now the town is being distracted away. At strongest he was only a 5-voter wagon and Bunny IMMEDIATELY switched back, from that point damo wagon only lost voters.

They get saved. Clearly, you think I'm the one doing it, though you also say you don't scumread me, so I'm conflicted.

I cannot recall the last time an obvscum wagon simply persisted and led from the beginning of the day through to the end, and, for clarity, I do not think damo is scum so I don't even know why we are having this conversation. That should answer every single one of your questions around why I am presenting alternatives.

If Kaka flips town are we killing you next?

[Chaqa]

These wagons are trash

##vote Will

Chaqa who are your scumreads other than Bunny and Will?

I don't really scumread Bunny, I just thought it seemed like what ghug or brain would do given he was absent. He's back now.

I don't have many particularly strong scumreads, but Will *is* leading a charge on one of my strongest townreads and other people who are no longer with us suspected him. I think he's worthy of being a wagon.

[bozotheclown]

Just's scum reads consist exclusively of players who have voted/suspected him first. At least one combination could be bussing.

##VOTE Just

I will try to get back for EOD.

[bo_sox48]

@Bo a few things

A: THis case is mainly using Kak’s alignment to solve my own. Therefore you should vote Kak first

B: I came to the conclusion Red was town close to EOD when I realized nobody cared about saving him. It was town indicative. Once I realized this, I tried to get another wagon going: Kak.

C: Kak’s vote on me was the most suspicious because he had shown the least interest in voting me (and even agreed with a lot of my points), then suddenly as soon as I got two votes, Kak hopped on. It was opportunistic + dumb rather than just dumb

a) it’s definitely not, there is plenty of standalone evidence against you. You just decided to chop it out of your quote.

b) you never townread Red at all. You are straight up lying. This post is with 8 minutes to go in the phase.

Get off damo

Get onto red or kak

This is with 12 minutes to go in the phase.

Im happy with kak/brain/chaqa/red wagons

I’d rather not vote damo

Here’s you once again trying to save damo via Red or Kaka with 5 minutes left in the phase.

Because hes town

If you’re going to straight up lie to me, you might as well string yourself up because I’m not going to miss it.

c) again, you’re lying straight up. You were Kaka’s second highest listed scumread at the beginning of day 2.

Will - feels like he can change his opinion here on a dime. He early declared a (probably soft) town read for Bunny and me, and after a bit that completely vanished. Other examples of that is all over his game. Sure, it's good to not tunnel and have an open mind, but Will seems to be another extreme from his last game, where his reads looked pretty frozen. I think he very well could've changed his approach from last game so to not fall into the same track.

Regarding the red portion:

A. …what did I chop out? The first long wallpost I already responded to plus a bunch of hedges? You even offered explanations for the posts (for example: maybe its wills playstyle). I’m not gonna quote something just to say: ‘no to this, no to that, no to this’. I will respond if something needs explanation

B. I townread Red last minute. You only picked quotes before the townread I was referring to when I tried to flashwagon Kak.

Referring to the green portion

Kak had stated a red that was mainly bred of paranoia. Not actual in game evidence. Therefore when he voted me it stood out. Simple. Are you arguing against that take?

a) you did not quote the entirety of the vote analysis against you on day 1. It was a separate post, so maybe "chop out" was a poor phrasing of it, but you act like it didn't exist. It did. You also dismissed my case against your voting habits and posting on day 2, but it also happened. You don't have to agree with it, but suggesting that my scumread on you is solely based on a scumread on Kaka is bullshit.

b) what is the last minute? I quoted posts with 12, 8, and 5 minutes to go in the phase, and you tried to wagon Kaka with 2 minutes to go. You very, very clearly scumread Red and were in favor of his wagon.

c) I don't care about Kaka's take. I care about your response to it. It was not measured. It far exceeded your anger toward the others who voted for you, and yet it had no more - or less - merit than the others did. It was an imbalanced response.

I'm here for another half hour before I have meetings through EOD and beyond and I'm happy to kill Kaka today and then get you tomorrow.

[bo_sox48]

How would obvscum wagons tend to go? I can totally see damo being scum and now the town is being distracted away. At strongest he was only a 5-voter wagon and Bunny IMMEDIATELY switched back, from that point damo wagon only lost voters.

They get saved. Clearly, you think I'm the one doing it, though you also say you don't scumread me, so I'm conflicted.

I cannot recall the last time an obvscum wagon simply persisted and led from the beginning of the day through to the end, and, for clarity, I do not think damo is scum so I don't even know why we are having this conversation. That should answer every single one of your questions around why I am presenting alternatives.

If Kaka flips town are we killing you next?

Some people who play this game don't seem to understand that as town, you don't vote for people for being wrong. You vote for people for having bad intentions. I don't. That said, I don't really give a fuck if you want to scumread me for being wrong; that's your prerogative and your unskillful decision to make. I would, though, prefer you not to continue voting for Kaka if you think I'm wrong.

[bo_sox48]

Not catching up.

##Vote Damo

What the fuck

[bo_sox48]

Bozo/Bo/Kak/Control? Maybe Dream instead of Bo? Im not sure

So you think either me or Bo is bussing Kak rn

Idk. I have no clue who the 4th is, although I am confident in kak/control/bozo

It is entirely possible damo is the fourth, but I dont really buy that atm

What's the case on Control and bozo?

[bo_sox48]

I voted end on damo but I'm also fine with bozo. I don't like Kak wagon, because, although I'm suspicious about his alignment too, people voting for him except bo all have a history of voting for confirmed towns on both previous days. Given that bo_ was also trying to save damo today, I might as well say that Kak wagon has at least 2 scums. Maybe both damo and bozo are scum and Kak wagon is a response to this?

You don't like the wagon on Kaka, but you scumread Kaka, and you think two teammates are bussing Kaka, but you think damo and bozo are Kaka's teammates and neither damo nor bozo are voting Kaka. Mathematically enlighten me - how can two teammates be bussing Kaka if Kaka is one scum, damo and bozo are two others, and only one remains?

[bo_sox48]

I think its pretty obviously bozo. He has no drive to solve, hes more reactionary and I just see none of what I expect from town bozo

I guess this is the case on bozo? I think he's pretty awful as town lol

[bo_sox48]

These wagons are trash

##vote Will

Chaqa who are your scumreads other than Bunny and Will?

I don't really scumread Bunny, I just thought it seemed like what ghug or brain would do given he was absent. He's back now.

I don't have many particularly strong scumreads, but Will *is* leading a charge on one of my strongest townreads and other people who are no longer with us suspected him. I think he's worthy of being a wagon.

This is a 1/10 effort, but it's better than a 0/10 effort