Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[yavuzovic]

##vote end

[yavuzovic]

Sorry ##end

[Kakarroto]

This is what scum kak does btw

everything I do is mafia to you.

you even put down that my flavour post I wrote before I got my role PM is. You are twisting anything to fit that propaganda of yours

You know he's dead right

well, now I know

NGL Kaka your catchup just makes you look scummy to me. Like half of the stuff you said was invalidated by how Red and Brain flipped town, but you're still standing by the fact that me, Dip, and Damo voting Red is a town indicator.

well, voting Red out there is better than voting an active player, especially when the alternative wagon, damo here, has moments when he does things he would do only as town

like, yeah, we sadly only got town, but better than let Red progress in the game without an idea of his alignment. Like, if he was mafia, we wouldn't be the wiser.

And maybe the flip lessens the impact, but still, it was a good choice still.

[bozotheclown]

@rdr @dreamtrawler @miminena @Bunnygo all responded to my request for current hot potato information
therefore they are all likely not the scum who just stole my rotten potato, as said scum would be unlikely to reveal potato information for today immediately
I will not vote for any of the above today
(well, I already townread three of them, but I won't vote rdr)
I am still requesting potato information from everyone else

d1: rotten potato
n1: rotten potato
d2: two hot potatoes
n2: rotten potato
d3: one hot potato (lied about this one earlier to heighten the scum's concern of outtting/losing the rotten potato)

so yea the other half of my reason of lying d2 was trying to get the rotten potato
someone appears to have stolen it though, and I'm pretty sure that player is scum
I suppose this is 'the great plan' if there ever really was one other than repeatedly inventing fake versions, so imma title this
The Great-ish Plan?
The Good Plan?
The Plan?

ok, that means brain can't have had the rotten potato, so mimi's theory is wrong

and no need to reveal the current location, or do we?

Why do you just assume this information is accurate after DiplomacyandWarfare has been repeatedly reporting false information?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Long post 2/2:

Will's response to D&W, the third voter against him, was a bit more aggressive.



I don't really get why this "case" - again, terrible, far worse than the previous - even warrants a response. What is the gain? What is the point? But it's reasonable enough, I suppose, and asks a pertinent question that I would ask as well if I felt the need to respond.

On to his response to Kaka:



Hold up. THIS is the most sus? Why? They all suck. They're all absolutely atrocious votes without substance. How is this 0/10 level skill vote worse than the other two 0/10 level skill votes?

Let's go back to Will's reads and try to figure this out. This is 7 hours prior to all this.



This explains the lack of gusto toward D&W pretty well. Will townread them, so instantly scumreading them is tough. Dream and Kaka, on the other hand, are "meh" reads - not in the list of folks that Will would vote for, but close enough.

Billy Mays: but wait, there's more!



Will votes for Kaka here. It's interesting that Dream and Kaka are identically placed in his reads but his response is cordial with Dream and aggressively OMGUSing Kaka. Again, what was so much worse about what Kaka did than the other two?

Unless Kaka's the one who bussed you. Yeah, that tracks. You're pissed the fuck off.

Speaking of Kaka, their vote against brain, their second to last vote of the day, came with this:



Compelling? Eh, it's reasonable. Compare and contrast this vote with Kaka's vote on Will, reposted for clarity:



Kaka didn't want Will dead. Kaka wanted to opportunistically drop a line on the Will wagon with the chance to look good if Will's erratic behavior got him flipped.

One more little tidbit:

Will's vote never moved away from Kaka all day, even though Kaka moved theirs. But Will did vote again! For Kaka. Lol



This is two minutes before the deadline. He's fighting a wagon against Red, who was higher in his scumreads than Kaka and in his "would" vote for pool, while Red had 8 votes on him. It could seem innocent, especially if you don't agree with my thinking and simply believe I'm an idiot at this point, but this is actually what got me started when I read back through EOD2. Why do this? The only way I can make sense of it is as a halfhearted bus against Kaka, maybe even a sarcastic one. It just strikes me as completely out of place otherwise.

tl;dr I just used a lot of words and quotes to pluck the Will-Kaka scumteam out of thin air and I'll happily vote for either of them

@Bo a few things

A: THis case is mainly using Kak’s alignment to solve my own. Therefore you should vote Kak first

B: I came to the conclusion Red was town close to EOD when I realized nobody cared about saving him. It was town indicative. Once I realized this, I tried to get another wagon going: Kak.

C: Kak’s vote on me was the most suspicious because he had shown the least interest in voting me (and even agreed with a lot of my points), then suddenly as soon as I got two votes, Kak hopped on. It was opportunistic + dumb rather than just dumb

a) it’s definitely not, there is plenty of standalone evidence against you. You just decided to chop it out of your quote.

b) you never townread Red at all. You are straight up lying. This post is with 8 minutes to go in the phase.

Get off damo

Get onto red or kak

This is with 12 minutes to go in the phase.

Im happy with kak/brain/chaqa/red wagons

I’d rather not vote damo

Here’s you once again trying to save damo via Red or Kaka with 5 minutes left in the phase.

Why is Will trying hard to save someone? Regardless of their alignment why?

Because hes town

If you’re going to straight up lie to me, you might as well string yourself up because I’m not going to miss it.

c) again, you’re lying straight up. You were Kaka’s second highest listed scumread at the beginning of day 2.

Will - feels like he can change his opinion here on a dime. He early declared a (probably soft) town read for Bunny and me, and after a bit that completely vanished. Other examples of that is all over his game. Sure, it's good to not tunnel and have an open mind, but Will seems to be another extreme from his last game, where his reads looked pretty frozen. I think he very well could've changed his approach from last game so to not fall into the same track.

Regarding the red portion:

A. …what did I chop out? The first long wallpost I already responded to plus a bunch of hedges? You even offered explanations for the posts (for example: maybe its wills playstyle). I’m not gonna quote something just to say: ‘no to this, no to that, no to this’. I will respond if something needs explanation

B. I townread Red last minute. You only picked quotes before the townread I was referring to when I tried to flashwagon Kak.

Referring to the green portion

Kak had stated a red that was mainly bred of paranoia. Not actual in game evidence. Therefore when he voted me it stood out. Simple. Are you arguing against that take?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Cos I now think scum is in {Bunny, Chaqa, Dip?, you, yav, rdr}

You don't find Bunny's SP throw to be towny?

As scum it would be a safe place to send. Not bringing anyone else in. As scum you don't want to create 2 townclears do you?

He creates 2 townclears if he’s mafia either way, but now we know theres exactly 2 or 3 town in bunny bozo mimi

[bozotheclown]

ok, it looks like you are still trying to vote out damo? Hard veto

I like to ##vote bozo much more, I'm very fine to join the wagon that is lead by dip

Who are you talking to about trying to vote out damo, and do you even know why DiplomacyandWarfare is voting for me?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

why is kak pretending like he doesnt know red is dead. Didnt he post N2?

[Spartaculous]

GM POST

Vote count 3.5

bozotheclown (3): JustAGuyNamedWill, DiplomacyandWarfare*, Kakarroto
damo666 (2): yavuzovic*, rdrivera2005
BunnyGo (2): Chaqa, damo666
JustAGuyNamedWill (2): miminena, DreamTrawler
Kakarroto (2): BunnyGo, bo_sox48
DiplomacyandWarfare (1): bozotheclown

bozotheclown is about to be scalloped.

Control V must vote.

4.5 hours remain

[Kakarroto]

why is kak pretending like he doesnt know red is dead. Didnt he post N2?

I haven't read that part of the game yet, I wasn't even sure I was still alive today when I began reading the rest, not until I saw that I didn't get a "you're dead" PM

had a lot to catch up, but, as I said, was busy yesterday and I just didn't want to read a lot of brain hammering on me, with the little time I had

[miminena]

I think the Damo wagon is towny but Dream/Yazu might contain one still.

Damo/Bozo might make sense if it's pure though tbh as the gamestate feels weird with this many wolves.

dream is likely scum in a damo/dw t/t world, and also likely in a damo scum world imo. he's been pushing in such a way to be voting damo but still shading dw which could either be scum trying to get bus credit but still having an escape valve if it seems hopeful that damo can be saved, or scum trying to keep the wagons t/t. i still think damo is better to resolve today though.

tentative towncore atm is me, rivera, bozo, ctrl, kak, bo, and will. the first four are strong town reads and the last four are more likely town than not given the bb flip. if i had to distill it it would be me, rivera, bozo, and ctrl, with bozo and ctrl potentially scum but easier to solve w/ a flip

This is an odd post. Mimi is currently voting Will, one of their townreads, and yet also seems to think tnat Dream is definitely scum. Mimi also thinks it is important for Damo to flip before Dream even though it apparently has no bearing on Dream’s alignment.

the second point is a fair criticism but in the time between that post and my vote on will dw claimed to have the rp, which shakes up a lot of my worldview today

[bozotheclown]

##CALL GM: What happens to the rotten potato if the player who should receive it is killed?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Noooooooo he gav e me the couch potao

:facepalm emoji:

what were you thinking?

No wait, that can still be a cool bluff, so I guess don't reveal until the EoD, or rather shortly before

:hush emoji:

Whoever has the couch potato should reveal one hour before EOD

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Sorry ##end

Make sure to re-place your vote

[yavuzovic]

Sorry ##end

Make sure to re-place your vote

Both GM vote count and peterbot seem to be fine?

[bozotheclown]

Noooooooo he gav e me the couch potao

:facepalm emoji:

what were you thinking?

No wait, that can still be a cool bluff, so I guess don't reveal until the EoD, or rather shortly before

:hush emoji:

Whoever has the couch potato should reveal one hour before EOD

I thought you said you had the CP?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

:facepalm emoji:

what were you thinking?

No wait, that can still be a cool bluff, so I guess don't reveal until the EoD, or rather shortly before

:hush emoji:

Whoever has the couch potato should reveal one hour before EOD

I thought you said you had the CP?

Yeah I did

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@bozo now that you’re here, what do you think of Bo?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Sorry ##end

Make sure to re-place your vote

Both GM vote count and peterbot seem to be fine?

Hm, i thought an invalid vote would have cnaceled it, guess i was wrong

[miminena]

Make sure to re-place your vote

Both GM vote count and peterbot seem to be fine?

Hm, i thought an invalid vote would have cnaceled it, guess i was wrong

i believe ##vote end counts as an end vote