Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[bozotheclown]

other than me lying to you a lot?
...
yeah, this is a very slow day
@bunny @rdr @chaqa @Control V
stop being couch potatoes

to-note: however inactive some important scumteams are, scum-plans often fall through (however informed)

##VOTE DiplomacyandWarfare

I see no town motivation in DiplomacyandWarfare continuously trying to fabricating information, I think he has continued doing it because he was somehow getting town read for it.

Of all posts to quote when you made this vote why did you choose this one?

DiplomacyandWarfare was admitting to deliberately and continuously fake claiming his potato status.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@Bo read your post, think it is a good analysis but would rather vote Will (watch someone say I'm saving Kaka). If the case against Kaka is a connection to Will then we need to eliminate the source of the scumminess first. Also Will/Damo/Chaqa is the pool I want to vote within this phase as all 3 previously had wagons that were taking off and then dissipated, indicating they were possibly saved (and yes I know I was one of the ones who left the Chaqa wagon).

I do think it's funny that you said both that: no one read your night 1 post, and that my reasons for voting Will were terrible, but then quoted my reasons, which were "I read and agree with Bo's post."

The case against me is a connection to Kak (mainly)

Also @Dream I am now suddenly a hot topic and everyone (except Bunny and DIp <3) has shown express interest in voting me today

If that isn’t town indicative for me I dont know what is

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Oh and rdr doesnt want me dead yayyyyy awesome

[bo_sox48]

@Bo read your post, think it is a good analysis but would rather vote Will (watch someone say I'm saving Kaka). If the case against Kaka is a connection to Will then we need to eliminate the source of the scumminess first. Also Will/Damo/Chaqa is the pool I want to vote within this phase as all 3 previously had wagons that were taking off and then dissipated, indicating they were possibly saved (and yes I know I was one of the ones who left the Chaqa wagon).

I do think it's funny that you said both that: no one read your night 1 post, and that my reasons for voting Will were terrible, but then quoted my reasons, which were "I read and agree with Bo's post."

I believe I called your post out in real time, but I forget. Either way, the fact that it wasn’t a good case doesn’t make it a call out. It just makes it easier for Will to laugh off, which he didn’t do.

Mimi is on Will and Bunny and I are on Kak. Making both of them wagons puts scum in a tight spot. Feel free to make it so.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Oh...and I passed the SP to mimi.

So bozo-mimi-Bunny has at most 1 scum.

Bozo Bunny could be a scumpair

No its mechanically impossible

[bo_sox48]

##VOTE DiplomacyandWarfare

I see no town motivation in DiplomacyandWarfare continuously trying to fabricating information, I think he has continued doing it because he was somehow getting town read for it.

Of all posts to quote when you made this vote why did you choose this one?

DiplomacyandWarfare was admitting to deliberately and continuously fake claiming his potato status.

Yes, and?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@rdr @dreamtrawler @miminena @Bunnygo all responded to my request for current hot potato information
therefore they are all likely not the scum who just stole my rotten potato, as said scum would be unlikely to reveal potato information for today immediately
I will not vote for any of the above today
(well, I already townread three of them, but I won't vote rdr)
I am still requesting potato information from everyone else

d1: rotten potato
n1: rotten potato
d2: two hot potatoes
n2: rotten potato
d3: one hot potato (lied about this one earlier to heighten the scum's concern of outtting/losing the rotten potato)

so yea the other half of my reason of lying d2 was trying to get the rotten potato
someone appears to have stolen it though, and I'm pretty sure that player is scum
I suppose this is 'the great plan' if there ever really was one other than repeatedly inventing fake versions, so imma title this
The Great-ish Plan?
The Good Plan?
The Plan?

I thought Brain had the rotten potato

[DreamTrawler]

@Bo read your post, think it is a good analysis but would rather vote Will (watch someone say I'm saving Kaka). If the case against Kaka is a connection to Will then we need to eliminate the source of the scumminess first. Also Will/Damo/Chaqa is the pool I want to vote within this phase as all 3 previously had wagons that were taking off and then dissipated, indicating they were possibly saved (and yes I know I was one of the ones who left the Chaqa wagon).

I do think it's funny that you said both that: no one read your night 1 post, and that my reasons for voting Will were terrible, but then quoted my reasons, which were "I read and agree with Bo's post."

I believe I called your post out in real time, but I forget. Either way, the fact that it wasn’t a good case doesn’t make it a call out. It just makes it easier for Will to laugh off, which he didn’t do.

Mimi is on Will and Bunny and I are on Kak. Making both of them wagons puts scum in a tight spot. Feel free to make it so.

Makes sense I guess. Though I think we are letting Damo slip away again

##vote JustAGuyNamedWill

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

##vote will

this actually makes the most sense if dw is being truthful imo

i was clearing him for rp reasons but those don't apply anymore, and at sod he assumed that bb/jamie was hp + nk rather than rp, which could indicate tmi if he, as scum, is in possession of a rotten potato

if dw is lying he's probably scum with damo and trying to distract from the wagon

if he's lying and he's town he's actively scum siding and is thus overall a net positive to get out so we can be clear on mech

I’m not in possession of the rotten potato

Also why is it not a logical conclusion to come to? Brain had a bunch of potatoes (some of which I gave) and said he was worried he’d die. Brain was also scumread and attacking me, a townie. Jamie was widely townread and a high poster. The perfect candidate for a NK.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

how do you both know this?

glad we're on the same wavelength

like i get why dt might know it but both of them?

Hehe

[damo666]

##vote Justaguynamedwill

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@bozo care to vote Will instead? I have about an hour left then I'm locked in.

????

Did you not townread me?

[bozotheclown]

Of all posts to quote when you made this vote why did you choose this one?

DiplomacyandWarfare was admitting to deliberately and continuously fake claiming his potato status.

Yes, and?

It seemed scum motivated. Have been been paying attention to DiplomacyandWarfare's claims? After tracking down discrepancies an proving DiplomacyandWarfare was the source, he retracted, then made another claim which was proven false, then continued to make additional fake claims. Not until recently has he provide information that could be true.

[damo666]

@bozo care to vote Will instead? I have about an hour left then I'm locked in.

????

Did you not townread me?

I did.

I haven't a clue anymore tbh

[damo666]

##unvote

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Townslip

Giving some “will realized he’s cooked so he told his teammate Mimi how to fake a town slip” vibes

This is a fine reason to vote for Will instead of remaining on Bunny without an actual case or any actual evidence as to why you are voting at all, and yet you just don’t do it.

Chaqa has literally not explained his case on me at all

[bo_sox48]

Long post 2/2:

Will's response to D&W, the third voter against him, was a bit more aggressive.

Doesn’t mean I’m mafia

Explain why you believe I am mafia

I don't really get why this "case" - again, terrible, far worse than the previous - even warrants a response. What is the gain? What is the point? But it's reasonable enough, I suppose, and asks a pertinent question that I would ask as well if I felt the need to respond.

On to his response to Kaka:

Kak were you not just agreeing with my towncore?

This vote is the most sus of my voters

Hold up. THIS is the most sus? Why? They all suck. They're all absolutely atrocious votes without substance. How is this 0/10 level skill vote worse than the other two 0/10 level skill votes?

Let's go back to Will's reads and try to figure this out. This is 7 hours prior to all this.

Schoolgoat

Flowcv.com

Wouldnt vote

Mimi
Jamie
Dip
Bunny

Likely wouldn’t vote unless alternative is terrible
Bo
Rdr

Meh
Kak
Yavu
Dream
Damo

Would vote
Neurax
Control
Worcej
Chaqa

This explains the lack of gusto toward D&W pretty well. Will townread them, so instantly scumreading them is tough. Dream and Kaka, on the other hand, are "meh" reads - not in the list of folks that Will would vote for, but close enough.

Billy Mays: but wait, there's more!

Chat we should not kill me today wait until lylo so kak can take me out

##VOTE KAK

@Kak explain your vote and reconcile your case with your agreement with my towncore

Will votes for Kaka here. It's interesting that Dream and Kaka are identically placed in his reads but his response is cordial with Dream and aggressively OMGUSing Kaka. Again, what was so much worse about what Kaka did than the other two?

Unless Kaka's the one who bussed you. Yeah, that tracks. You're pissed the fuck off.

Speaking of Kaka, their vote against brain, their second to last vote of the day, came with this:

before you claimed, your vote was thought as real, except for me who knew. You could've used this to push your reads, because, as you yourself said, there are people who ignore your reads.

It boggles my mind how you can even THINK that it's a good idea to throw that potential away, like, even if I was mafia and had revealed that in maf chat, the majority in the game wouldn't know and you could see who reacts in what kind to that. That way you could even try to see if any mafia reveals to have too much information.

But claiming so soon and throwing all that away? With 'oh my reads are ignored anyway' that's just a wasted day for you, at least from your point of you, when you think that so many would ignore your reads

actually that situation would suit maf-brain a lot, thinking about it. Like intentionally invalidating his vote to just coast a day, and just post a lot of nonsense. I really don't like that. ##vote brainbomb

Compelling? Eh, it's reasonable. Compare and contrast this vote with Kaka's vote on Will, reposted for clarity:

hmm, how sure are you we have another Antonius?

should Cicero follow Metellus Cimber, this time around?

guess I should as I'm the writer of The Willippics

##vote JustAGuyNamedWill

Kaka didn't want Will dead. Kaka wanted to opportunistically drop a line on the Will wagon with the chance to look good if Will's erratic behavior got him flipped.

One more little tidbit:

Will's vote never moved away from Kaka all day, even though Kaka moved theirs. But Will did vote again! For Kaka. Lol

FLASH WAGON KAK

##VOTE KAK

This is two minutes before the deadline. He's fighting a wagon against Red, who was higher in his scumreads than Kaka and in his "would" vote for pool, while Red had 8 votes on him. It could seem innocent, especially if you don't agree with my thinking and simply believe I'm an idiot at this point, but this is actually what got me started when I read back through EOD2. Why do this? The only way I can make sense of it is as a halfhearted bus against Kaka, maybe even a sarcastic one. It just strikes me as completely out of place otherwise.

tl;dr I just used a lot of words and quotes to pluck the Will-Kaka scumteam out of thin air and I'll happily vote for either of them

@Bo a few things

A: THis case is mainly using Kak’s alignment to solve my own. Therefore you should vote Kak first

B: I came to the conclusion Red was town close to EOD when I realized nobody cared about saving him. It was town indicative. Once I realized this, I tried to get another wagon going: Kak.

C: Kak’s vote on me was the most suspicious because he had shown the least interest in voting me (and even agreed with a lot of my points), then suddenly as soon as I got two votes, Kak hopped on. It was opportunistic + dumb rather than just dumb

a) it’s definitely not, there is plenty of standalone evidence against you. You just decided to chop it out of your quote.

b) you never townread Red at all. You are straight up lying. This post is with 8 minutes to go in the phase.

Get off damo

Get onto red or kak

This is with 12 minutes to go in the phase.

Im happy with kak/brain/chaqa/red wagons

I’d rather not vote damo

Here’s you once again trying to save damo via Red or Kaka with 5 minutes left in the phase.

Why is Will trying hard to save someone? Regardless of their alignment why?

Because hes town

If you’re going to straight up lie to me, you might as well string yourself up because I’m not going to miss it.

c) again, you’re lying straight up. You were Kaka’s second highest listed scumread at the beginning of day 2.

Will - feels like he can change his opinion here on a dime. He early declared a (probably soft) town read for Bunny and me, and after a bit that completely vanished. Other examples of that is all over his game. Sure, it's good to not tunnel and have an open mind, but Will seems to be another extreme from his last game, where his reads looked pretty frozen. I think he very well could've changed his approach from last game so to not fall into the same track.

[DreamTrawler]

Townslip

Giving some “will realized he’s cooked so he told his teammate Mimi how to fake a town slip” vibes

This is a fine reason to vote for Will instead of remaining on Bunny without an actual case or any actual evidence as to why you are voting at all, and yet you just don’t do it.

Tbh would be down to vote Chaqa for this alone

[bo_sox48]

@Bo read your post, think it is a good analysis but would rather vote Will (watch someone say I'm saving Kaka). If the case against Kaka is a connection to Will then we need to eliminate the source of the scumminess first. Also Will/Damo/Chaqa is the pool I want to vote within this phase as all 3 previously had wagons that were taking off and then dissipated, indicating they were possibly saved (and yes I know I was one of the ones who left the Chaqa wagon).

I do think it's funny that you said both that: no one read your night 1 post, and that my reasons for voting Will were terrible, but then quoted my reasons, which were "I read and agree with Bo's post."

I believe I called your post out in real time, but I forget. Either way, the fact that it wasn’t a good case doesn’t make it a call out. It just makes it easier for Will to laugh off, which he didn’t do.

Mimi is on Will and Bunny and I are on Kak. Making both of them wagons puts scum in a tight spot. Feel free to make it so.

Makes sense I guess. Though I think we are letting Damo slip away again

##vote JustAGuyNamedWill

Then you can pin that directly on me because Damo has been leading all day long without much resistance and that’s not how obvscum wagons tend to go.

[bozotheclown]

##vote will

this actually makes the most sense if dw is being truthful imo

i was clearing him for rp reasons but those don't apply anymore, and at sod he assumed that bb/jamie was hp + nk rather than rp, which could indicate tmi if he, as scum, is in possession of a rotten potato

if dw is lying he's probably scum with damo and trying to distract from the wagon

if he's lying and he's town he's actively scum siding and is thus overall a net positive to get out so we can be clear on mech

I’m not in possession of the rotten potato

Also why is it not a logical conclusion to come to? Brain had a bunch of potatoes (some of which I gave) and said he was worried he’d die. Brain was also scumread and attacking me, a townie. Jamie was widely townread and a high poster. The perfect candidate for a NK.

brainbomb likely only had whatever HPs you passed him.