Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[bozotheclown]

I do not have any HPs D3. bo_sox's D3 HP makes 6, which is all there should be if DiplomacyandWarfare's claims are accurate.

[BunnyGo]

##vote will

this actually makes the most sense if dw is being truthful imo

i was clearing him for rp reasons but those don't apply anymore, and at sod he assumed that bb/jamie was hp + nk rather than rp, which could indicate tmi if he, as scum, is in possession of a rotten potato

if dw is lying he's probably scum with damo and trying to distract from the wagon

if he's lying and he's town he's actively scum siding and is thus overall a net positive to get out so we can be clear on mech

I've not caught up enough to follow, can you elaborate for me?

[bo_sox48]

Wait Bunny is still alive?

##vote Bunny

It’s what ghug and brain would do

D3 with several miskills and Chaqa is still not giving a single shit, yet there has never been an ounce of momentum against him. If he’s town, people give him a ton of grief and nobody lets it cool off. His teammates aren’t bussing him.

[bo_sox48]

Wait Bunny is still alive?

##vote Bunny

It’s what ghug and brain would do

We were mistaken last time we killed a lurker. Vote someone that you scumread.

Or maybe they are, lightly

[BunnyGo]

@bo you made those two long posts against Will and Kak but didn't place a vote

Ah it is nice to know that exactly one person read it! Better than the usual zero. I meant to vote for Will. ##VOTE Will

I'd rather ##vote kaka of your two cases.

[bozotheclown]

D1:
BunnyGo: HP, Chaqa
Chaqa: HP, Jamie
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
DreamTrawler: HP, Control V
ghug: HP, ?
Jamie: HP, Chaqa
Kakarroto: CP, brainbomb
miminena: SP, bozo
Red Neurax: HP, damo

N1:
bo_sox: 1 HP, Just
bozo: SP, BunnyGo
brainbomb: CP
Chaqa: 2 HPs, bo_sox, ghug
Control V: 1 HP, miminena
damo: 1 HP, random player
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
Jamie: 2 HPs, brainbomb, DiplomacyandWarfare

D2:
bo_sox: 1 HP, rdrivera
brainbomb: CP, 1 HP
BunnyGo: SP
DiplomacyandWarfare: 2 HPs
Jamie: RP, 1 HP
Just: 2 HPs, brainbomb
miminena: 1 HP, Chaqa

N2:
brainbomb: 2 HPs
Chaqa: 2 HPs, Just, rdrivera
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
Jamie: 1 HP
Just: CP
miminena: 1 HP, BunnyGo
rdrivera: 1 HP, damo

D3:
bo_sox: 1 HP
BunnyGo: 1 HP
damo: 2 HPs
DiplomacyandWarfare: 1 HP
rdrivera: 1 HP

7 HPs were claimed for N1, with Chaqa's HP passed to ghug and damo's HP being sent randomly. The source of Jamie's D2 HP, DiplomacyandWarfare's second HP, and Just's second D2 HP are unaccounted for.

[BunnyGo]

@bozo, to add to yours, I already claimed passing the SP to mimi for N2.

[BunnyGo]

@bozo, to add to yours, I already claimed passing the SP to mimi for N2.

I'm mildly concerned you didn't record it NOR mention your lack of data as part of your concerns at the end...

[bo_sox48]

I think the Damo wagon is towny but Dream/Yazu might contain one still.

Damo/Bozo might make sense if it's pure though tbh as the gamestate feels weird with this many wolves.

dream is likely scum in a damo/dw t/t world, and also likely in a damo scum world imo. he's been pushing in such a way to be voting damo but still shading dw which could either be scum trying to get bus credit but still having an escape valve if it seems hopeful that damo can be saved, or scum trying to keep the wagons t/t. i still think damo is better to resolve today though.

tentative towncore atm is me, rivera, bozo, ctrl, kak, bo, and will. the first four are strong town reads and the last four are more likely town than not given the bb flip. if i had to distill it it would be me, rivera, bozo, and ctrl, with bozo and ctrl potentially scum but easier to solve w/ a flip

This is an odd post. Mimi is currently voting Will, one of their townreads, and yet also seems to think tnat Dream is definitely scum. Mimi also thinks it is important for Damo to flip before Dream even though it apparently has no bearing on Dream’s alignment.

[bo_sox48]

@bo you made those two long posts against Will and Kak but didn't place a vote

Ah it is nice to know that exactly one person read it! Better than the usual zero. I meant to vote for Will. ##VOTE Will

I'd rather ##vote kaka of your two cases.

Fine by me ##VOTE Kaka

[bozotheclown]

@bozo care to vote Will instead? I have about an hour left then I'm locked in.

That is fine with me, DiplomacyandWarfare's latest claim now looks consistent with a N2 PK.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo, to add to yours, I already claimed passing the SP to mimi for N2.

I'm mildly concerned you didn't record it NOR mention your lack of data as part of your concerns at the end...

I missed it, I was looking at the HPs. I don't understand your concern.

[bo_sox48]

So if Damo flips town, what does that mean for me?

if damo flips town, then that will be two of my highest scumreads down and flipped town and, rather than proceeding to go after yavuzovic (my next highest scumread (please take note of this in case I die)), I will re-evaluate my towncore, which consists, at the moment, of you, miminena, and perhaps also will

Why do you believe you are going to die?

[bo_sox48]

It feels like we’ve accomplished literally nothing this phase

other than me lying to you a lot?
...
yeah, this is a very slow day
@bunny @rdr @chaqa @Control V
stop being couch potatoes

to-note: however inactive some important scumteams are, scum-plans often fall through (however informed)

##VOTE DiplomacyandWarfare

I see no town motivation in DiplomacyandWarfare continuously trying to fabricating information, I think he has continued doing it because he was somehow getting town read for it.

Of all posts to quote when you made this vote why did you choose this one?

[bo_sox48]

##vote Damo

I kinda want to start a wagon on Chaqa but fear letting Damo scape again.

Damo is escaping. So why not start your Chaqa wagon?

[bozotheclown]

D1:
BunnyGo: HP, Chaqa
Chaqa: HP, Jamie
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
DreamTrawler: HP, Control V
ghug: HP, ?
Jamie: HP, Chaqa
Kakarroto: CP, brainbomb
miminena: SP, bozo
Red Neurax: HP, damo

N1:
bo_sox: 1 HP, Just
bozo: SP, BunnyGo
brainbomb: CP
Chaqa: 2 HPs, bo_sox, ghug
Control V: 1 HP, miminena
damo: 1 HP, random player
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
Jamie: 2 HPs, brainbomb, DiplomacyandWarfare

D2:
bo_sox: 1 HP, rdrivera
brainbomb: CP, 1 HP
BunnyGo: SP, miminena
DiplomacyandWarfare: 2 HPs
Jamie: RP, 1 HP
Just: 2 HPs, brainbomb
miminena: 1 HP, Chaqa

N2:
brainbomb: 2 HPs
Chaqa: 2 HPs, Just, rdrivera
DiplomacyandWarfare: RP
Jamie: 1 HP
Just: CP
miminena: SP; 1 HP, BunnyGo
rdrivera: 1 HP, damo

D3:
bo_sox: 1 HP
BunnyGo: 1 HP
damo: 2 HPs
DiplomacyandWarfare: 1 HP
rdrivera: 1 HP

Ignoring the extra D2 HP for now, there are 7 HPs claimed N2 and 6 HPs claimed D3, with brainbomb holding 2 HPs N2 and Jamie holding 1 HP N2.

[DreamTrawler]

@Bo read your post, think it is a good analysis but would rather vote Will (watch someone say I'm saving Kaka). If the case against Kaka is a connection to Will then we need to eliminate the source of the scumminess first. Also Will/Damo/Chaqa is the pool I want to vote within this phase as all 3 previously had wagons that were taking off and then dissipated, indicating they were possibly saved (and yes I know I was one of the ones who left the Chaqa wagon).

I do think it's funny that you said both that: no one read your night 1 post, and that my reasons for voting Will were terrible, but then quoted my reasons, which were "I read and agree with Bo's post."

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Long post 2/2:

Will's response to D&W, the third voter against him, was a bit more aggressive.

yay will wagon
##vote will
will tried to push me yesterday

Doesn’t mean I’m mafia

Explain why you believe I am mafia

I don't really get why this "case" - again, terrible, far worse than the previous - even warrants a response. What is the gain? What is the point? But it's reasonable enough, I suppose, and asks a pertinent question that I would ask as well if I felt the need to respond.

On to his response to Kaka:

hmm, how sure are you we have another Antonius?

should Cicero follow Metellus Cimber, this time around?

guess I should as I'm the writer of The Willippics

##vote JustAGuyNamedWill

Kak were you not just agreeing with my towncore?

This vote is the most sus of my voters

Hold up. THIS is the most sus? Why? They all suck. They're all absolutely atrocious votes without substance. How is this 0/10 level skill vote worse than the other two 0/10 level skill votes?

Let's go back to Will's reads and try to figure this out. This is 7 hours prior to all this.

Schoolgoat

Flowcv.com

Wouldnt vote

Mimi
Jamie
Dip
Bunny

Likely wouldn’t vote unless alternative is terrible
Bo
Rdr

Meh
Kak
Yavu
Dream
Damo

Would vote
Neurax
Control
Worcej
Chaqa

This explains the lack of gusto toward D&W pretty well. Will townread them, so instantly scumreading them is tough. Dream and Kaka, on the other hand, are "meh" reads - not in the list of folks that Will would vote for, but close enough.

Billy Mays: but wait, there's more!

Chat we should not kill me today wait until lylo so kak can take me out

##VOTE KAK

@Kak explain your vote and reconcile your case with your agreement with my towncore

Will votes for Kaka here. It's interesting that Dream and Kaka are identically placed in his reads but his response is cordial with Dream and aggressively OMGUSing Kaka. Again, what was so much worse about what Kaka did than the other two?

Unless Kaka's the one who bussed you. Yeah, that tracks. You're pissed the fuck off.

Speaking of Kaka, their vote against brain, their second to last vote of the day, came with this:

Again, my reads on the game are generally ignored en masse anyway. Claiming seemed beneficial to knowing that mafia did not hold a couch potato and could drive up wagon ties. People can vote without that added concern

before you claimed, your vote was thought as real, except for me who knew. You could've used this to push your reads, because, as you yourself said, there are people who ignore your reads.

It boggles my mind how you can even THINK that it's a good idea to throw that potential away, like, even if I was mafia and had revealed that in maf chat, the majority in the game wouldn't know and you could see who reacts in what kind to that. That way you could even try to see if any mafia reveals to have too much information.

But claiming so soon and throwing all that away? With 'oh my reads are ignored anyway' that's just a wasted day for you, at least from your point of you, when you think that so many would ignore your reads

actually that situation would suit maf-brain a lot, thinking about it. Like intentionally invalidating his vote to just coast a day, and just post a lot of nonsense. I really don't like that. ##vote brainbomb

Compelling? Eh, it's reasonable. Compare and contrast this vote with Kaka's vote on Will, reposted for clarity:

hmm, how sure are you we have another Antonius?

should Cicero follow Metellus Cimber, this time around?

guess I should as I'm the writer of The Willippics

##vote JustAGuyNamedWill

Kaka didn't want Will dead. Kaka wanted to opportunistically drop a line on the Will wagon with the chance to look good if Will's erratic behavior got him flipped.

One more little tidbit:

Will's vote never moved away from Kaka all day, even though Kaka moved theirs. But Will did vote again! For Kaka. Lol

FLASH WAGON KAK

##VOTE KAK

This is two minutes before the deadline. He's fighting a wagon against Red, who was higher in his scumreads than Kaka and in his "would" vote for pool, while Red had 8 votes on him. It could seem innocent, especially if you don't agree with my thinking and simply believe I'm an idiot at this point, but this is actually what got me started when I read back through EOD2. Why do this? The only way I can make sense of it is as a halfhearted bus against Kaka, maybe even a sarcastic one. It just strikes me as completely out of place otherwise.

tl;dr I just used a lot of words and quotes to pluck the Will-Kaka scumteam out of thin air and I'll happily vote for either of them

@Bo a few things

A: THis case is mainly using Kak’s alignment to solve my own. Therefore you should vote Kak first

B: I came to the conclusion Red was town close to EOD when I realized nobody cared about saving him. It was town indicative. Once I realized this, I tried to get another wagon going: Kak.

C: Kak’s vote on me was the most suspicious because he had shown the least interest in voting me (and even agreed with a lot of my points), then suddenly as soon as I got two votes, Kak hopped on. It was opportunistic + dumb rather than just dumb

[bo_sox48]

i'd guess atp that bb passed the couch potato to jamie, got the rotten potato in return, and both exotic potatoes are now out of the game

Townslip

Giving some “will realized he’s cooked so he told his teammate Mimi how to fake a town slip” vibes

This is a fine reason to vote for Will instead of remaining on Bunny without an actual case or any actual evidence as to why you are voting at all, and yet you just don’t do it.

[DreamTrawler]

Speaking of Kakarroto, where is Kakarroto?