Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

i'd guess atp that bb passed the couch potato to jamie, got the rotten potato in return, and both exotic potatoes are now out of the game

Townslip

Giving some “will realized he’s cooked so he told his teammate Mimi how to fake a town slip” vibes

The tunnel is strong with this one

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

We were mistaken last time we killed a lurker. Vote someone that you scumread.

I’m not voting for a lurker, I’m voting for a Bunny

Why do you think Bunny is suspicious?

And, furthermore, why did you vote me as well?

[Spartaculous]

GM POST

Potato kugel recipe: (https://www.allrecipes.com/recipe/204133/old-fashioned-potato-kugel/)

Ingredients:

1 tablespoon vegetable oil
10 medium potatoes, peeled and grated
2 medium onions, peeled and grated
5 large eggs
⅓ cup vegetable oil
2 teaspoons salt
1 teaspoon black pepper

Directions:

- Gather all ingredients. Preheat the oven to 350 degrees F (175 degrees C).
- Grease a 9x13-inch baking dish with 1 tablespoon vegetable oil.
- Combine grated potatoes and onions in a large bowl. Mix in eggs, 1/3 cup of vegetable oil, salt, and pepper until well combined; pour mixture into the prepared dish.
- Bake in the preheated oven until golden brown and crisp on top, 1 ½ to 2 hours.

[Spartaculous]

GM POST

Vote count 3.3

damo666 (4): miminena, DreamTrawler, yavuzovic, rdrivera2005
DiplomacyandWarfare (2): damo666, bozotheclown
bozotheclown (2): JustAGuyNamedWill, DiplomacyandWarfare*
BunnyGo (1): Chaqa

damo666 is currently being paired with condiments.

bo_sox48, BunnyGo, Control V, and Kakarroto must vote.

bo_sox48 and Kakarroto must post more.

Just under 17 hours remain.

[bo_sox48]

Long post 1/2:

Will's voting and responses to votes against him in this game have been atrocious.

I first picked up on this after D1, when I made a post analyzing three votes. Nobody seemed to really care much about it, so I'll quote that analysis what Will did on day 1 that caught my eye. Feel free to gloss over it if you have already read it and taken it seriously.

Aw man

##VOTE BUNNY

Context: three minutes left in the phase. Will was voting for Bunny, then jumped to vote mimi, then jumped back to Bunny when mimi claimed. Nobody else was voting for Bunny.

Why it's interesting: It's a meaningless vote.

What I think: scummy.

Two minutes prior to the above vote, with five minutes left in the day, Will showed up.

Im here

Then, he voted for mimi.

##VOTE MIMI

Mimi then softclaimed.

i should say to those townies who are paying attention that mechanically tying the vote is better than voting me out

i will elaborate later if need be

Will then said he wanted to keep DW alive. At the time, DW had 3 votes against them. ND had 5 (including Kaka) and mimi had 4. Will believed he was putting mimi in the lead despite the soft.

I want to keep DIp alive

At least for a little so I can read him better

After that, mimi hardclaimed and Will voted for Bunny.

The appropriate, and obvious, move if Will actually gave a damn about keeping DW alive and was voting with that goal in mind was to move to ND. That move, even with Kaka on the wagon, would have put ND in the lead over both DW and mimi, and arguably could have been the deciding vote. Instead, he moved to Bunny, a non-wagon, and tied the vote between ND and mimi. So I asked - did Will townread ND?

I’m unsure of ND but I think Bunny here is a better option

No! He did not. He wrote this post with 1 minute left in the day and with Bunny at a single vote. All I see from Will is needlessly and without much effort pushing for a wagon that does not exist and going a long way to avoid stamping his name on a miskill. In doing so, he made himself completely irrelevant at the EOD.

That's day 1.

Day 2 is interesting as well, and not just for his votes. But I'll focus on his votes initially. His first vote that caught my eye was his vote on Red.

Before voting for Red, or anyone, he asks a question, piggybacking off of Jamie.

When are you going to reveal your cards?

idk man. i have revealed my suspicions of control v but i don't think there's much to go off on anybody as of right now. for me at least, i don't have a real idea of what a good plan is

I feel at some point you should have *some* sembleance of a worldview

What do you think of BUnny?

Four hours later, after seemingly randomly voting for Control and brain, and without a response from Red, he votes for Red.

##VOTE RED

20 minutes prior to this, he had voted for brain.

I think Brain is much easier to read than worcej

##VOTE BRAIN science

What makes this scummy? Not really that much. It seems random, and we know there is no bussing in there with those two. However, a few people voted for him anyway, and he flipped the fuck out.

Bro what

How did 3 people decide to vote me in one page

This reaction screams bus to me. Dream, Kaka, and D&W voted for him in fairly quick succession. Town shouldn't care - they recognize a lazy, good-for-nothing wagon when they see it. But Will cares, and he responds to those who voted for him. First Dream:

But anyway, I am changing my vote again, sorry Bo. I found your post at the top of page 48 to be well reasoned and I have felt suspicious of Will for a while.

Chaqa is kind of sus but partially due to low participation and not understanding mechanics. Will has not provided a good explanation for his D1 voting pattern (I thought Bunny was mafia is not a good answer) and he's continuing to switch votes as if to start random wagons of town.

And despite Control V's vendetta against me I don't think Control V is the best daykill here and I feel like people who are saying that are trying to earn my goodwill.


##vote JustAGuyNamedWill

Ok Dream heres where we’re at

I get you’re suspicious of me. I’m always sus as town. But ask yourself if I resemble my scum game at all. You had first hand experience of how I play. This is not my mafia game

And why is “I thought Bunny was mafia” not a good answer? Why else would I vote someone unless it was to prevent a tie

This "case" against Will is terrible. Generally lacking in substance, not aggressive enough to stick, just a vibes thing. Will's response to it feels ... muted? Why not fight back? Why not press Dream? Maybe it's just not Will's style. Moving on (next post)

[bo_sox48]

Long post 2/2:

Will's response to D&W, the third voter against him, was a bit more aggressive.

yay will wagon
##vote will
will tried to push me yesterday

Doesn’t mean I’m mafia

Explain why you believe I am mafia

I don't really get why this "case" - again, terrible, far worse than the previous - even warrants a response. What is the gain? What is the point? But it's reasonable enough, I suppose, and asks a pertinent question that I would ask as well if I felt the need to respond.

On to his response to Kaka:

Control V’s biggest impact on the game has been scumreading me. The wagon against CV feels a bit forced, especially with Red Neurax saying CV is sus and then dipping. It feels like at least one of the people scumreading or voting for Control V is trying to get me to join the wagon on a misguided townie.

hmm, how sure are you we have another Antonius?

should Cicero follow Metellus Cimber, this time around?

guess I should as I'm the writer of The Willippics

##vote JustAGuyNamedWill

Kak were you not just agreeing with my towncore?

This vote is the most sus of my voters

Hold up. THIS is the most sus? Why? They all suck. They're all absolutely atrocious votes without substance. How is this 0/10 level skill vote worse than the other two 0/10 level skill votes?

Let's go back to Will's reads and try to figure this out. This is 7 hours prior to all this.

Schoolgoat

Flowcv.com

Wouldnt vote

Mimi
Jamie
Dip
Bunny

Likely wouldn’t vote unless alternative is terrible
Bo
Rdr

Meh
Kak
Yavu
Dream
Damo

Would vote
Neurax
Control
Worcej
Chaqa

This explains the lack of gusto toward D&W pretty well. Will townread them, so instantly scumreading them is tough. Dream and Kaka, on the other hand, are "meh" reads - not in the list of folks that Will would vote for, but close enough.

Billy Mays: but wait, there's more!

Chat we should not kill me today wait until lylo so kak can take me out

##VOTE KAK

@Kak explain your vote and reconcile your case with your agreement with my towncore

Will votes for Kaka here. It's interesting that Dream and Kaka are identically placed in his reads but his response is cordial with Dream and aggressively OMGUSing Kaka. Again, what was so much worse about what Kaka did than the other two?

Unless Kaka's the one who bussed you. Yeah, that tracks. You're pissed the fuck off.

Speaking of Kaka, their vote against brain, their second to last vote of the day, came with this:

Again, my reads on the game are generally ignored en masse anyway. Claiming seemed beneficial to knowing that mafia did not hold a couch potato and could drive up wagon ties. People can vote without that added concern

before you claimed, your vote was thought as real, except for me who knew. You could've used this to push your reads, because, as you yourself said, there are people who ignore your reads.

It boggles my mind how you can even THINK that it's a good idea to throw that potential away, like, even if I was mafia and had revealed that in maf chat, the majority in the game wouldn't know and you could see who reacts in what kind to that. That way you could even try to see if any mafia reveals to have too much information.

But claiming so soon and throwing all that away? With 'oh my reads are ignored anyway' that's just a wasted day for you, at least from your point of you, when you think that so many would ignore your reads

actually that situation would suit maf-brain a lot, thinking about it. Like intentionally invalidating his vote to just coast a day, and just post a lot of nonsense. I really don't like that. ##vote brainbomb

Compelling? Eh, it's reasonable. Compare and contrast this vote with Kaka's vote on Will, reposted for clarity:

hmm, how sure are you we have another Antonius?

should Cicero follow Metellus Cimber, this time around?

guess I should as I'm the writer of The Willippics

##vote JustAGuyNamedWill

Kaka didn't want Will dead. Kaka wanted to opportunistically drop a line on the Will wagon with the chance to look good if Will's erratic behavior got him flipped.

One more little tidbit:

Will's vote never moved away from Kaka all day, even though Kaka moved theirs. But Will did vote again! For Kaka. Lol

FLASH WAGON KAK

##VOTE KAK

This is two minutes before the deadline. He's fighting a wagon against Red, who was higher in his scumreads than Kaka and in his "would" vote for pool, while Red had 8 votes on him. It could seem innocent, especially if you don't agree with my thinking and simply believe I'm an idiot at this point, but this is actually what got me started when I read back through EOD2. Why do this? The only way I can make sense of it is as a halfhearted bus against Kaka, maybe even a sarcastic one. It just strikes me as completely out of place otherwise.

tl;dr I just used a lot of words and quotes to pluck the Will-Kaka scumteam out of thin air and I'll happily vote for either of them

[bo_sox48]

Full disclosure, I haven't read D3 at all. I'll do that in the time I have tomorrow. Sorry I've been absent; the weekend and work today were extremely busy. Tomorrow is busy too but I'll find time even if I miss EOD.

[Control V]

##vote Damo

I kinda want to start a wagon on Chaqa but fear letting Damo scape again.

How much had you read of the current day and why Chaqa specifically?

[rdrivera2005]

I guess everybody is sleeping.

what's the damo case?

Hard to write it down. I just feel he is doing what he does as scum, make a lot of noise, but not really push anything. His exchange with DW is an example of this.

[rdrivera2005]

Ok. I liked the last page, at least we are starting to have a town core.

By the way I have at least one HP today, which is unfortunate, but I probably deserved.

Which town core.

##vote Damo

I kinda want to start a wagon on Chaqa but fear letting Damo scape again.

Do you want to kill Chaqa or Damo more.

Town core: Miminena, Bunny, DW, Dream, probably Will.

I am voting Damo, so this is pretty obvious.

[rdrivera2005]

##vote Damo

I kinda want to start a wagon on Chaqa but fear letting Damo scape again.

How much had you read of the current day and why Chaqa specifically?

I have read all of today. I just didn't read the last hours of D2 (but I read the last minutes on the bot). Chaqa is on his scum range, not engaging with the game and making just the bare minimum to avoid more pressure. His vote on Bunny because Ghug and Brain will do is an example.

What's your opinion about Chaqa?

[damo666]

Oh...and I passed the SP to mimi.

So bozo-mimi-Bunny has at most 1 scum.

Bozo Bunny could be a scumpair

[damo666]

@bo you made those two long posts against Will and Kak but didn't place a vote

[miminena]

Townslip

how is this a townslip?

I feel as if mafia would have been told of where the couch potato is. It was said in game

oh oops i missed that :p

still don't think it counts as a townslip though

[miminena]

Oh...and I passed the SP to mimi.

So bozo-mimi-Bunny has at most 1 scum.

Bozo Bunny could be a scumpair

no they couldn't, bozo passed the sp to bunny

[damo666]

Oh...and I passed the SP to mimi.

So bozo-mimi-Bunny has at most 1 scum.

Bozo Bunny could be a scumpair

no they couldn't, bozo passed the sp to bunny

Well you and Bozo could be scumpair then. In fact the only way Bunny could know his statement is true is it he himself is scum. Could this be the biggest scumslip of all time?

[damo666]

##vote Bunny

[miminena]

Bozo Bunny could be a scumpair

no they couldn't, bozo passed the sp to bunny

Well you and Bozo could be scumpair then. In fact the only way Bunny could know his statement is true is it he himself is scum. Could this be the biggest scumslip of all time?

still impossible

i passed the sp to bozo, so we can't both be scum. bozo passed the sp to bunny, so they can't both be scum. bunny passed the sp back to me, so we can't both be scum

[miminena]

no they couldn't, bozo passed the sp to bunny

Well you and Bozo could be scumpair then. In fact the only way Bunny could know his statement is true is it he himself is scum. Could this be the biggest scumslip of all time?

still impossible

i passed the sp to bozo, so we can't both be scum. bozo passed the sp to bunny, so they can't both be scum. bunny passed the sp back to me, so we can't both be scum

therefore if any given one of us three is scum the other 2 must be town

[damo666]

no they couldn't, bozo passed the sp to bunny

Well you and Bozo could be scumpair then. In fact the only way Bunny could know his statement is true is it he himself is scum. Could this be the biggest scumslip of all time?

still impossible

i passed the sp to bozo, so we can't both be scum. bozo passed the sp to bunny, so they can't both be scum. bunny passed the sp back to me, so we can't both be scum

sorry, I'm a nit.

##vote Dip