Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

oh I saw bozo voting will on the theory that will is pocketing me
I would just like to say that I am not going to worry myself with the prospect that a high-poster could be pocketing me when almost everyone else is lurking
so, perhaps stop lurking?
(mostly bunny, rdr, chaqa, control, and yavuzovic, not you bozo)

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

So if Damo flips town, what does that mean for me?

if damo flips town, then that will be two of my highest scumreads down and flipped town and, rather than proceeding to go after yavuzovic (my next highest scumread (please take note of this in case I die)), I will re-evaluate my towncore, which consists, at the moment, of you, miminena, and perhaps also will

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

hmmm today is going surprisingly well, nobody on the scumteam except damo dares to shitpush me
I have decided that will and bozo are definitely not both scum, rather than potentially being scum antipairing
and again I'm letting will pocket me for the time being
so I will ##VOTE BOZOTHECLOWN to get a second wagon going on a likely scum
No, I still have not forgiven bozo for the d2 vote based on me "not answering" questions that I answered.

[DreamTrawler]

oh I saw bozo voting will on the theory that will is pocketing me
I would just like to say that I am not going to worry myself with the prospect that a high-poster could be pocketing me when almost everyone else is lurking
so, perhaps stop lurking?
(mostly bunny, rdr, chaqa, control, and yavuzovic, not you bozo)

Throw in Bo_Sox as a lurker who was previously a high-poster

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

the two players who have lurked all three days so far are rdr and Control V
I am establishing scumreads on both until further notice
No, Control V does not get a pass for being new. Did I give red a pass for being a frequent lurker? No, I did not.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

It feels like we’ve accomplished literally nothing this phase

[DreamTrawler]

Almost half the remaining players are inactive

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

hmmm time to compile my readlist

town

DiplomacyandWarfare ~
miminena ~
DreamTrawler ~
BunnyGo [paired with jamie as either alignment, jamie flipping town means bunny is town, I forgot about this slot but it's towncore]
Kakarroto ~
JustAGuyNamedWill !
bo_sox48 !
Chaqa *
Control V *

---I should very much like to hang someone below this line---

rdr ^ !
bozotheclown ^ *
yavuzovic ^ *
damo666 ^ !

scum

^ scumteam 1
* scumteam 2
! scumteam 3
~ scumteam 4 (joke solve)

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Almost half the remaining players are inactive

which is why will is mostly towncore until further notice
the mafia kill last night (jamie or brain) was also most likely motivated in part by heavy posting

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

It feels like we’ve accomplished literally nothing this phase

other than me lying to you a lot?
...
yeah, this is a very slow day
@bunny @rdr @chaqa @Control V
stop being couch potatoes

to-note: however inactive some important scumteams are, scum-plans often fall through (however informed)

[bozotheclown]

hmmm today is going surprisingly well, nobody on the scumteam except damo dares to shitpush me
I have decided that will and bozo are definitely not both scum, rather than potentially being scum antipairing
and again I'm letting will pocket me for the time being
so I will ##VOTE BOZOTHECLOWN to get a second wagon going on a likely scum
No, I still have not forgiven bozo for the d2 vote based on me "not answering" questions that I answered.

You still have not answered my questions, I just gave us trying to get you to. Here is where I explained where you had not already answered the questions that I asked:

Yes, you again did not answer my questions about D1 EOD:






##VOTE DiplomacyandWarfare

both of these have been answered.

##vote miminena
for the fabricated tie

(if you're unsure what I was talking about, you can find out by actually fucking reading my posts. I discussed what I thought was happening with the CP in some detail during N1)

losing all accountability for his vote?

You stand accused of claiming I did not answer questions that I did, in fact, answer, as an excuse to shitpush me.
##vote bozotheclown
##end

My first question, which you chose not to answer on 2 occasions, was not answered by what you said at the time about forcing a tie to verify if Kakarroto was holding the CP, because what I was asking was why you would vote for miminena after they claimed to have the SP and risk destroying the SP.

Here is where you acknowledged miminena's claim, then voted for them, disregarding the risk of losing the SP to a DK attempt:

ok since nobody seems to understand my soft i currently hold the sweet potato and thus if i am voted out there will be no dk and we will lose the sweet potato

oh
well...

##vote miminena
for the fabricated tie

The SP has use in possibly clearing town players, but its second benefit to town is to possibly block a NK, or a town PK, so I was asking why you did not care about that risk.

The second question was not specifically answered by your response to miminena's question, because miminena asked what motivation you thought Kakarroto would have for fake claim the SP, and I asked why you were so concerned about the possibility. Thinking it is possible Kakarroto might fake claim the CP is different than being so concerned about it to try risk losing the SP or ending the DK vote on a tie to find out, especially since Kakarroto would have to pass it, and we could easily have verified his claim by having him announce who he passed it to before the new holder declared having it.

What I suspect is that you were concerned that after miminena's claim, miminena's voters could switch to you, putting you at risk of being the DK, because you still had 3 votes at the time of miminena's claim, only 2 behind ND, and that you were trying to keep the wagons ND vs. miminena instead of ND vs you.

Then, when I asked you about D1 EOD during N1, you ignored my question and added me to your scum reads, reinforcing my suspicion of you.

[bozotheclown]

It feels like we’ve accomplished literally nothing this phase

other than me lying to you a lot?
...
yeah, this is a very slow day
@bunny @rdr @chaqa @Control V
stop being couch potatoes

to-note: however inactive some important scumteams are, scum-plans often fall through (however informed)

##VOTE DiplomacyandWarfare

I see no town motivation in DiplomacyandWarfare continuously trying to fabricating information, I think he has continued doing it because he was somehow getting town read for it.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

hmmm today is going surprisingly well, nobody on the scumteam except damo dares to shitpush me
I have decided that will and bozo are definitely not both scum, rather than potentially being scum antipairing
and again I'm letting will pocket me for the time being
so I will ##VOTE BOZOTHECLOWN to get a second wagon going on a likely scum
No, I still have not forgiven bozo for the d2 vote based on me "not answering" questions that I answered.

You still have not answered my questions, I just gave us trying to get you to. Here is where I explained where you had not already answered the questions that I asked:

both of these have been answered.


(if you're unsure what I was talking about, you can find out by actually fucking reading my posts. I discussed what I thought was happening with the CP in some detail during N1)



You stand accused of claiming I did not answer questions that I did, in fact, answer, as an excuse to shitpush me.
##vote bozotheclown
##end

My first question, which you chose not to answer on 2 occasions, was not answered by what you said at the time about forcing a tie to verify if Kakarroto was holding the CP, because what I was asking was why you would vote for miminena after they claimed to have the SP and risk destroying the SP.

Here is where you acknowledged miminena's claim, then voted for them, disregarding the risk of losing the SP to a DK attempt:

oh
well...

##vote miminena
for the fabricated tie

The SP has use in possibly clearing town players, but its second benefit to town is to possibly block a NK, or a town PK, so I was asking why you did not care about that risk.

The second question was not specifically answered by your response to miminena's question, because miminena asked what motivation you thought Kakarroto would have for fake claim the SP, and I asked why you were so concerned about the possibility. Thinking it is possible Kakarroto might fake claim the CP is different than being so concerned about it to try risk losing the SP or ending the DK vote on a tie to find out, especially since Kakarroto would have to pass it, and we could easily have verified his claim by having him announce who he passed it to before the new holder declared having it.

What I suspect is that you were concerned that after miminena's claim, miminena's voters could switch to you, putting you at risk of being the DK, because you still had 3 votes at the time of miminena's claim, only 2 behind ND, and that you were trying to keep the wagons ND vs. miminena instead of ND vs you.

Then, when I asked you about D1 EOD during N1, you ignored my question and added me to your scum reads, reinforcing my suspicion of you.

your first argument is that my vote, that was very clearly not intended to get miminena hung, as I said in the original vote, was intended to, after I answered this question multiple times
your second argument is that I did not answer your question, ignoring of course that I have answered it at least three times now
##end

[bozotheclown]

@control v

could you condense your thoughts on everyone? you're one of the people i trust the most atm so i would like to know your general worldview

would also appreciate this from rivera and bozo

Based on my experience with DiplomacyandWarfare, I don't think he would play the way he has as town. I am not sure why Just thinks DiplomacyandWarfare is out of his scum range, but maybe he really believes that. I suspect there are mafia who are hiding well, but I town read DreamTrawler, Kakarroto, bo_sox, damo, yavuzovic, and you, so everyone else more likely mafia by POE.

[DreamTrawler]

@control v

could you condense your thoughts on everyone? you're one of the people i trust the most atm so i would like to know your general worldview

would also appreciate this from rivera and bozo

Based on my experience with DiplomacyandWarfare, I don't think he would play the way he has as town. I am not sure why Just thinks DiplomacyandWarfare is out of his scum range, but maybe he really believes that. I suspect there are mafia who are hiding well, but I town read DreamTrawler, Kakarroto, bo_sox, damo, yavuzovic, and you, so everyone else more likely mafia by POE.

Reasons for townreading Damo?

[bozotheclown]

hmmm today is going surprisingly well, nobody on the scumteam except damo dares to shitpush me
I have decided that will and bozo are definitely not both scum, rather than potentially being scum antipairing
and again I'm letting will pocket me for the time being
so I will ##VOTE BOZOTHECLOWN to get a second wagon going on a likely scum
No, I still have not forgiven bozo for the d2 vote based on me "not answering" questions that I answered.

You still have not answered my questions, I just gave us trying to get you to. Here is where I explained where you had not already answered the questions that I asked:

My first question, which you chose not to answer on 2 occasions, was not answered by what you said at the time about forcing a tie to verify if Kakarroto was holding the CP, because what I was asking was why you would vote for miminena after they claimed to have the SP and risk destroying the SP.

Here is where you acknowledged miminena's claim, then voted for them, disregarding the risk of losing the SP to a DK attempt:





The SP has use in possibly clearing town players, but its second benefit to town is to possibly block a NK, or a town PK, so I was asking why you did not care about that risk.

The second question was not specifically answered by your response to miminena's question, because miminena asked what motivation you thought Kakarroto would have for fake claim the SP, and I asked why you were so concerned about the possibility. Thinking it is possible Kakarroto might fake claim the CP is different than being so concerned about it to try risk losing the SP or ending the DK vote on a tie to find out, especially since Kakarroto would have to pass it, and we could easily have verified his claim by having him announce who he passed it to before the new holder declared having it.

What I suspect is that you were concerned that after miminena's claim, miminena's voters could switch to you, putting you at risk of being the DK, because you still had 3 votes at the time of miminena's claim, only 2 behind ND, and that you were trying to keep the wagons ND vs. miminena instead of ND vs you.

Then, when I asked you about D1 EOD during N1, you ignored my question and added me to your scum reads, reinforcing my suspicion of you.

your first argument is that my vote, that was very clearly not intended to get miminena hung, as I said in the original vote, was intended to, after I answered this question multiple times
your second argument is that I did not answer your question, ignoring of course that I have answered it at least three times now
##end

You deliberately tried to tie the vote between ND and miminena after miminena claimed to have the SP and Kakarroto said he had the CP, which would have resulted in miminena being the DK and taking out the SP.

The first question you never answered is why you disregarded the risk of destroying the SP. The second question you never answered is why you felt it was necessary to prove whether or not Kakarroto had the CP. I think the answer to both is that you were trying to keep the D1 vote as ND vs. miminena to protect yourself.

[bozotheclown]

would also appreciate this from rivera and bozo

Based on my experience with DiplomacyandWarfare, I don't think he would play the way he has as town. I am not sure why Just thinks DiplomacyandWarfare is out of his scum range, but maybe he really believes that. I suspect there are mafia who are hiding well, but I town read DreamTrawler, Kakarroto, bo_sox, damo, yavuzovic, and you, so everyone else more likely mafia by POE.

Reasons for townreading Damo?

I have played a lot of games with damo, and although he has fooled me before, I think his posts this game are coming from a town perspective based on the way he typically plays.

[Spartaculous]

GM POST

Vote count 3.2

damo666 (3): miminena, DreamTrawler, yavuzovic
DiplomacyandWarfare (2): damo666, bozotheclown
bozotheclown (2): JustAGuyNamedWill, DiplomacyandWarfare*
BunnyGo (1): Chaqa

damo666 is set to be tomorrow's dinner.

bo_sox48, BunnyGo, Control V, Kakarroto and rdrivera2005 must vote.

bo_sox48, BunnyGo, Kakarroto and rdrivera2005 must meet posting requirements.

About 21.5 hours remain in Day 3.

[rdrivera2005]

It feels like we’ve accomplished literally nothing this phase

other than me lying to you a lot?
...
yeah, this is a very slow day
@bunny @rdr @chaqa @Control V
stop being couch potatoes

to-note: however inactive some important scumteams are, scum-plans often fall through (however informed)

Sorry, I had a really busy day at work and I have still to read EOD2.

Anyway, I didn't see much today to change my view of the game. I think Damo is probably scum and Bozo might be scum too.

I can't say much about lurking but Chaqa lurking is on his scum range. I also miss Bo and Bunny interacting more. I scumread Bo on D1 but I started to townread him later. And Bunny at least interacted with me when I was around.

I can't read Will to save my life.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Based on my experience with DiplomacyandWarfare, I don't think he would play the way he has as town. I am not sure why Just thinks DiplomacyandWarfare is out of his scum range, but maybe he really believes that. I suspect there are mafia who are hiding well, but I town read DreamTrawler, Kakarroto, bo_sox, damo, yavuzovic, and you, so everyone else more likely mafia by POE.

Reasons for townreading Damo?

I have played a lot of games with damo, and although he has fooled me before, I think his posts this game are coming from a town perspective based on the way he typically plays.

I think you mean:

We discussed it during the night and decided that me and him will loudly argue with dip while our other teammates lurk