Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I was trying to provide examples of why I suspect Just.

From the last 2 pages

It doesn’t seem you’ve given any reasoning besides those last 2. Could you elaborate a bit more?

I posted this N2 EON:

Bozo, as well as attending to your journal of potato movements, would you mind commenting on your current view of the game?

I think there is as good chance DiplomacyandWarfare is mafia, using the acquisition of the RP to try to look like town. For someone so interested in the potatoes, he did not seem to care at all if the SP was taken out D1 by DKing miminena. I also think some mafia are blending in fairly well. I have concerns about Just and BunnyGo, they have not done much to make me think they are likely to be town, and they are both good at hiding as mafia.

Then D3, about 2.5 hours later, you posted this:

Dip form a towncore with me just for the day and lets investigate bozo

Bozo has done very little imo and it seems like he’s coasting

You had not previous stated that you were scum reading me, so it came across as you trying to discredit my suspicion of you, and trying to use DiplomacyandWarfare scum reading me to your advantage by declaring him obviously town.

Also, your confidence that DiplomacyandWarfare is town could be because you know he is town and you will be proven correct if he flips.

I disagree that DiplomacyandWarfare is obviously town for continuously trying to obfuscate the location of the HPs. DiplomacyandWarfare was at risk of DK D1, he could just be trying to throw off the HP tracking while claiming to have some kind of plan to avoid the DK as long as possible.

I posted several times during D2 about an inconsistency with the HPs:



DiplomacyandWarfare ignored those posts while knowing he was the cause of the inconsistencies, then only admitted he gave false information when the problem was narrowed down to him.

Ok I get that

You stated though that you believe me to be scum and Dip to not be paired with me. This implies you think Dip is town.

However, when I die and flip town, do you reconsider and vote dip?

I am not ruling out you both being mafia.

If you get me DKed, will you reconsider your town read of DiplomacyandWarfare when I flip town?

What changed?

The read is entirely based on the assumption that Dip is town, so how can you state that you’re unsure of Dip’s alignment while also using the assumption that dip is town to make me look worse?

[DreamTrawler]

I have a question for everyone other than these four: between Damo, Dip, Will, and Bozo, who do you think is Mafia? And which ones do you think are paired if they are Mafia?

I would bet 100 that damo and bozo are scum together if the site moderators allow me

Interesting. Because of hot potato mech posting? Or because they townread each other?

If Damo is voted today and flips town who do you suspect next?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

The only concern I have about damo is that he has the most info of us all by presumably knowing that EOD2 was tvt. Yet it seems his worldview didn’t shift *that* much, and he just continued voting Dip

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Control V is scummy. He is not helping much at all and is coasting by just voting Dream. I would not count out W/W distancing but it looks surface level better for Dream if Control V is scum

ControlV/Kak/Bozo/Chaqa is my 4 rn

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I think I’m confident in Mimi being town. She seems like she’s genuinely trying to parse the gamestate. I’ve said it before but I still think it applies

[bozotheclown]

From the last 2 pages

It doesn’t seem you’ve given any reasoning besides those last 2. Could you elaborate a bit more?

I posted this N2 EON:

I think there is as good chance DiplomacyandWarfare is mafia, using the acquisition of the RP to try to look like town. For someone so interested in the potatoes, he did not seem to care at all if the SP was taken out D1 by DKing miminena. I also think some mafia are blending in fairly well. I have concerns about Just and BunnyGo, they have not done much to make me think they are likely to be town, and they are both good at hiding as mafia.

Then D3, about 2.5 hours later, you posted this:

Dip form a towncore with me just for the day and lets investigate bozo

Bozo has done very little imo and it seems like he’s coasting

You had not previous stated that you were scum reading me, so it came across as you trying to discredit my suspicion of you, and trying to use DiplomacyandWarfare scum reading me to your advantage by declaring him obviously town.

Also, your confidence that DiplomacyandWarfare is town could be because you know he is town and you will be proven correct if he flips.

Ok I get that

You stated though that you believe me to be scum and Dip to not be paired with me. This implies you think Dip is town.

However, when I die and flip town, do you reconsider and vote dip?

I am not ruling out you both being mafia.

If you get me DKed, will you reconsider your town read of DiplomacyandWarfare when I flip town?

What changed?

The read is entirely based on the assumption that Dip is town, so how can you state that you’re unsure of Dip’s alignment while also using the assumption that dip is town to make me look worse?

That is not accurate, for one I said that I suspected you N2. Then, it seemed like you were trying to discredit my read by starting to scum read me, which has nothing to do with DiplomacyandWarfare, except that DiplomacyandWarfare was already scum reading me.

Your confidence that DiplomacyandWarfare is town was an additional thing I found suspicious, and pocketing seemed like a good possibility. You could also be defending him in a way that a mafia teammate would not typically do, therefore I would not rule out you both being mafia, even if I think it is not the most likely possibility.

[DreamTrawler]

The only concern I have about damo is that he has the most info of us all by presumably knowing that EOD2 was tvt. Yet it seems his worldview didn’t shift *that* much, and he just continued voting Dip

Wait, how would Damo know that?

[DreamTrawler]

I think I’m confident in Mimi being town. She seems like she’s genuinely trying to parse the gamestate. I’ve said it before but I still think it applies

I agree with this. I also think scum wouldn't have tried as hard to save the sweet potato.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

The only concern I have about damo is that he has the most info of us all by presumably knowing that EOD2 was tvt. Yet it seems his worldview didn’t shift *that* much, and he just continued voting Dip

Wait, how would Damo know that?

Damo was the other wagon at EOD2 so he would be the only person to know if it was tvt or mvt

[bozotheclown]

From the last 2 pages

It doesn’t seem you’ve given any reasoning besides those last 2. Could you elaborate a bit more?

I posted this N2 EON:

I think there is as good chance DiplomacyandWarfare is mafia, using the acquisition of the RP to try to look like town. For someone so interested in the potatoes, he did not seem to care at all if the SP was taken out D1 by DKing miminena. I also think some mafia are blending in fairly well. I have concerns about Just and BunnyGo, they have not done much to make me think they are likely to be town, and they are both good at hiding as mafia.

Then D3, about 2.5 hours later, you posted this:

Dip form a towncore with me just for the day and lets investigate bozo

Bozo has done very little imo and it seems like he’s coasting

You had not previous stated that you were scum reading me, so it came across as you trying to discredit my suspicion of you, and trying to use DiplomacyandWarfare scum reading me to your advantage by declaring him obviously town.

Also, your confidence that DiplomacyandWarfare is town could be because you know he is town and you will be proven correct if he flips.

Sure, but I’ve also been right on the other flips this game, barring brain since I didnt come to the conclusion until a bit after

I said ND and Red were town and didn’t use that to gain credit or influence other things. If I was trying to do it to gain credit, why would I not cash in that credit? Especially when Dip is not at risk of dying

I’m unsure of ND but I think Bunny here is a better option

Im happy with kak/brain/chaqa/red wagons

I’d rather not vote damo

You did not seem to think ND and Red Neurax were town right before they were DKed, you just stayed off of their wagons.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Where is bunny

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I posted this N2 EON:



Then D3, about 2.5 hours later, you posted this:



You had not previous stated that you were scum reading me, so it came across as you trying to discredit my suspicion of you, and trying to use DiplomacyandWarfare scum reading me to your advantage by declaring him obviously town.

Also, your confidence that DiplomacyandWarfare is town could be because you know he is town and you will be proven correct if he flips.

Sure, but I’ve also been right on the other flips this game, barring brain since I didnt come to the conclusion until a bit after

I said ND and Red were town and didn’t use that to gain credit or influence other things. If I was trying to do it to gain credit, why would I not cash in that credit? Especially when Dip is not at risk of dying

I’m unsure of ND but I think Bunny here is a better option

Im happy with kak/brain/chaqa/red wagons

I’d rather not vote damo

You did not seem to think ND and Red Neurax were town right before they were DKed, you just stayed off of their wagons.

Why else would I have stayed off? Also I came to the conclusion red was town toward the end when I stated the 8-3 wagon composition was sus

Maybe you’re right on ND, even if I did argue against voting him

WHat about Jamie though?

[bozotheclown]

I think I’m confident in Mimi being town. She seems like she’s genuinely trying to parse the gamestate. I’ve said it before but I still think it applies

I agree with this. I also think scum wouldn't have tried as hard to save the sweet potato.

Not that I disagree that miminena is likely town, but I think any mafia holding the SP would have used it to prevent their DK.

[bozotheclown]

Sure, but I’ve also been right on the other flips this game, barring brain since I didnt come to the conclusion until a bit after

I said ND and Red were town and didn’t use that to gain credit or influence other things. If I was trying to do it to gain credit, why would I not cash in that credit? Especially when Dip is not at risk of dying

I’m unsure of ND but I think Bunny here is a better option

Im happy with kak/brain/chaqa/red wagons

I’d rather not vote damo

You did not seem to think ND and Red Neurax were town right before they were DKed, you just stayed off of their wagons.

Why else would I have stayed off? Also I came to the conclusion red was town toward the end when I stated the 8-3 wagon composition was sus

Maybe you’re right on ND, even if I did argue against voting him

WHat about Jamie though?

I don't think town reading town is generally alignment indicative, I was pointing out what you said about town reading ND and Red Neurax did not seem to be accurate. However, a scum reason to stay off their wagons would be to not participate in all of the mis-kills.

[DreamTrawler]

I think I’m confident in Mimi being town. She seems like she’s genuinely trying to parse the gamestate. I’ve said it before but I still think it applies

I agree with this. I also think scum wouldn't have tried as hard to save the sweet potato.

Not that I disagree that miminena is likely town, but I think any mafia holding the SP would have used it to prevent their DK.

If she was scum she could have soft claimed it and then still let the votes rack up. That way she gets to live and the SP is out of play. I mean I guess the mafia could want the SP around to save themselves but it's generally better for town to have it around.

[bozotheclown]

I agree with this. I also think scum wouldn't have tried as hard to save the sweet potato.

Not that I disagree that miminena is likely town, but I think any mafia holding the SP would have used it to prevent their DK.

If she was scum she could have soft claimed it and then still let the votes rack up. That way she gets to live and the SP is out of play. I mean I guess the mafia could want the SP around to save themselves but it's generally better for town to have it around.

You are right, I was momentarily forgetting that the SP would have save her from the DK.

[bozotheclown]

@bozo sorry to be a nuisance but probably value to also list zero potato claimants.

I went back to D1, and with brainbomb and yavuzovic later saying worcej and foodcoats did not have any D1 HPs, the only player I could not find specifically stating their D1 HP status was Control V.

@Control V: Did you have an HP D1?

[DreamTrawler]

Where is everyone smh

[yavuzovic]

I have a question for everyone other than these four: between Damo, Dip, Will, and Bozo, who do you think is Mafia? And which ones do you think are paired if they are Mafia?

I would bet 100 that damo and bozo are scum together if the site moderators allow me

Make sure not to edit posts

I'm sorry. For records, I only changed points →

I didn't have a bad intention. I won't do it again.

[Control V]

@bozo sorry to be a nuisance but probably value to also list zero potato claimants.

I went back to D1, and with brainbomb and yavuzovic later saying worcej and foodcoats did not have any D1 HPs, the only player I could not find specifically stating their D1 HP status was Control V.

@Control V: Did you have an HP D1?

No I did not.

I Think it's probably more important to keep people accountable for their potato targets than anything else. siw