Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[Chaqa]

I gave my two hot potatoes away to Will and Rivera.

I have not had anything but hot potatoes this game.

Who did you pass your 2 N1 HPs to?

Ghug and Bo. I said that a few times

[bozotheclown]

was thinking about this while driving and this makes no sense

Did bozo slip up and accidentally include the person he gave the SP In his scumpool while trying to expand the poe?

Now this looks like you are trying to find any reason to scum read me. Why do you think I would send the SP to a top town read after pointing out how the SP can be used to clear town players if it passes from town to mafia? Even if I wanted to avoid sending the SP to a mafia, why do you think I could not have become more suspicious of BunnyGo since N1?

[bozotheclown]

I gave my two hot potatoes away to Will and Rivera.

I have not had anything but hot potatoes this game.

Who did you pass your 2 N1 HPs to?

Ghug and Bo. I said that a few times

OK, thanks, I could not remember if you confirmed this.

[bozotheclown]

D1:
BunnyGo: HP, Chaqa
Chaqa: HP, Jamie
DreamTrawler: HP, Control V
ghug: HP, ?
Jamie: HP, Chaqa
Kakarroto: CP, brainbomb
miminena: SP, bozo
Red Neurax: HP, damo

N1:
bozo: SP, BunnyGo
brainbomb: CP
Chaqa: 2 HPs, bo_sox, ghug
Control V: 1 HP, miminena
damo: 1 HP, random player
Jamie: 2 HPs, brainbomb, DiplomacyandWarfare

D2:
brainbomb: CP, 1 HP
BunnyGo: SP
DiplomacyandWarfare: 1 HP
Jamie: RP, 1 HP
Just: 2 HPs, brainbomb
miminena: 1 HP, Chaqa

N2:
Chaqa: 2 HPs, Just, rdrivera
Jamie: 1 HP
Just: CP
rdrivera: 1 HP, damo

Chaqa passing a N1 HP to bo_sox accounts for all of the HPs for D2.

@bo_sox: Please confirm that you had an HP D2 and let us know who you passed it to.

The possibilities for the RP N2 are brainbomb, bo_sox, and DiplomacyandWarfare.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

You posted a reads list D2 that did not include me at all, then at the end of N2 I posted this:



Then, you conclude I am mafia. Somehow I don't think that is a coincidence.

Also, I get the feeling DiplomacyandWarfare may be town because it looks like you are pocketing him.

Ok. If I flip town what happens then? Do you vote Dip next?

Do you disagree that my analysis is correct?

I disagree that DiplomacyandWarfare is obviously town for continuously trying to obfuscate the location of the HPs. DiplomacyandWarfare was at risk of DK D1, he could just be trying to throw off the HP tracking while claiming to have some kind of plan to avoid the DK as long as possible.

I posted several times during D2 about an inconsistency with the HPs:

I now have two hot potatoes

I had a hot potato Night 1.

My full potato info is as follows:
I had one hot potato d1
I passed it to RED NEURAX
I received an additional hot potato at the start of the night
I am passing that potato to [Redacted]

My vote tomorrow is going on red neurax for the coasting and bandwagoning and basically everything else

as a final note, this is the only one of my EoD posts I wrote within 6 hours of EoN, so a bunch of stuff in some of the earlier ones is probably factually innacurate. For example, red has made a few more shitposts that I have not analyzed, but my post on red neurax still says I analyzed all of them. This is not something I can be bothered to fix at the moment.


Night 1 Dip out

I had one potato D1 and I gave it away, but I am now holding two potatoes.

Also @Bozo I passed my D1 hot potato to Control V. I did not have any during N1.

There seems to be an extra N1 HP. Can Control V and Red Neurax please confirm they received an HP N1?

DiplomacyandWarfare ignored those posts while knowing he was the cause of the inconsistencies, then only admitted he gave false information when the problem was narrowed down to him.

Ok I get that

You stated though that you believe me to be scum and Dip to not be paired with me. This implies you think Dip is town.

However, when I die and flip town, do you reconsider and vote dip?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I still suspect DiplomacyandWarfare, although it seems unlikely he is mafia with Just. By POE I think BunnyGo, Chaqa, Control V, and rdrivera are reasonable scum candidates.

Why did you pass the Sweet Potato to Bunny if you suspect him?

That was N1, but at the time BunnyGo was a player I wanted more information about who seemed unlikely to be up for the DK D2. If he is town, he could get cleared if he ended up passing the SP to a mafia, and if he is mafia, he would have to pass the SP to a town for N2. A mafia with the SP during a day could pass the SP to a town and NK them to get rid of the SP, but that would cost them a NK and possibly implication the mafia holding the SP during the day, so I did not think the best use of the SP was to pass it to one of my top town reads.

Ah, i see

[bozotheclown]

I would be happy to tell most of the people here the truth. I will not, however, be telling you the truth.

could you at least make this clear, since it's very helpful to a solve: did you have a hot potato on d2, and if so who did you pass it to?

...fine, I can give you that piece of information
I had one hot potato d2. I passed it to yavuzovic.

yavuzovic has said he did not have an HP N2. Are you counter claiming him, or were you fabricating information again?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I was trying to provide examples of why I suspect Just.

From the last 2 pages

It doesn’t seem you’ve given any reasoning besides those last 2. Could you elaborate a bit more?

I posted this N2 EON:

Bozo, as well as attending to your journal of potato movements, would you mind commenting on your current view of the game?

I think there is as good chance DiplomacyandWarfare is mafia, using the acquisition of the RP to try to look like town. For someone so interested in the potatoes, he did not seem to care at all if the SP was taken out D1 by DKing miminena. I also think some mafia are blending in fairly well. I have concerns about Just and BunnyGo, they have not done much to make me think they are likely to be town, and they are both good at hiding as mafia.

Then D3, about 2.5 hours later, you posted this:

Dip form a towncore with me just for the day and lets investigate bozo

Bozo has done very little imo and it seems like he’s coasting

You had not previous stated that you were scum reading me, so it came across as you trying to discredit my suspicion of you, and trying to use DiplomacyandWarfare scum reading me to your advantage by declaring him obviously town.

Also, your confidence that DiplomacyandWarfare is town could be because you know he is town and you will be proven correct if he flips.

Sure, but I’ve also been right on the other flips this game, barring brain since I didnt come to the conclusion until a bit after

I said ND and Red were town and didn’t use that to gain credit or influence other things. If I was trying to do it to gain credit, why would I not cash in that credit? Especially when Dip is not at risk of dying

[DreamTrawler]

I have a question for everyone other than these four: between Damo, Dip, Will, and Bozo, who do you think is Mafia? And which ones do you think are paired if they are Mafia?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Jamie and brain being taken out is a real blow to town. They were two of our towniest players IMO and also good posters

I want to vote Will today. I gave him a potato as insurance, and I am 100% confident with no evidence that it will explode him

Explain why

The magic 8-ball said to do it

What reasoning did said magic 8 ball give

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

was thinking about this while driving and this makes no sense

Did bozo slip up and accidentally include the person he gave the SP In his scumpool while trying to expand the poe?

Now this looks like you are trying to find any reason to scum read me. Why do you think I would send the SP to a top town read after pointing out how the SP can be used to clear town players if it passes from town to mafia? Even if I wanted to avoid sending the SP to a mafia, why do you think I could not have become more suspicious of BunnyGo since N1?

No. I didn’t understand the mechs behind it. I dont scumread it anymore

[Spartaculous]

GM POST

Vote count 3.1

damo666 (4): miminena, DreamTrawler, DiplomacyandWarfare, yavuzovic
DiplomacyandWarfare (1): damo666
JustAGuyNamedWill (1): bozotheclown

damo666 is set to be chipped.

Most players need to vote.

rdrivera2005, Chaqa, BunnyGo, bo_sox48, and Kakarroto must meet posting requirements.

29 hours remain.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

From the last 2 pages

It doesn’t seem you’ve given any reasoning besides those last 2. Could you elaborate a bit more?

I posted this N2 EON:

I think there is as good chance DiplomacyandWarfare is mafia, using the acquisition of the RP to try to look like town. For someone so interested in the potatoes, he did not seem to care at all if the SP was taken out D1 by DKing miminena. I also think some mafia are blending in fairly well. I have concerns about Just and BunnyGo, they have not done much to make me think they are likely to be town, and they are both good at hiding as mafia.

Then D3, about 2.5 hours later, you posted this:

Dip form a towncore with me just for the day and lets investigate bozo

Bozo has done very little imo and it seems like he’s coasting

You had not previous stated that you were scum reading me, so it came across as you trying to discredit my suspicion of you, and trying to use DiplomacyandWarfare scum reading me to your advantage by declaring him obviously town.

Also, your confidence that DiplomacyandWarfare is town could be because you know he is town and you will be proven correct if he flips.

Sure, but I’ve also been right on the other flips this game, barring brain since I didnt come to the conclusion until a bit after

I said ND and Red were town and didn’t use that to gain credit or influence other things. If I was trying to do it to gain credit, why would I not cash in that credit? Especially when Dip is not at risk of dying

And jamie too

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

##VOTE KAK

[yavuzovic]

I have a question for everyone other than these four: between Damo, Dip, Will, and Bozo, who do you think is Mafia? And which ones do you think are paired if they are Mafia?

I would bet 100 that damo and bozo are scum together if the site moderators allow me

[damo666]

Why are people not voting obvscumDip?

[yavuzovic]

I have a question for everyone other than these four: between Damo, Dip, Will, and Bozo, who do you think is Mafia? And which ones do you think are paired if they are Mafia?

I would bet 100 diplomacy points that damo and bozo are scum together if the site moderators allow me

I'm going to ask mods if any town that disagrees wants to bet. If you're scum I think it would be unfair to bet over known information so in order to stay hidden act like you agree with me and vote these two

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I have a question for everyone other than these four: between Damo, Dip, Will, and Bozo, who do you think is Mafia? And which ones do you think are paired if they are Mafia?

I would bet 100 that damo and bozo are scum together if the site moderators allow me

Make sure not to edit posts

[bozotheclown]

Ok. If I flip town what happens then? Do you vote Dip next?

Do you disagree that my analysis is correct?

I disagree that DiplomacyandWarfare is obviously town for continuously trying to obfuscate the location of the HPs. DiplomacyandWarfare was at risk of DK D1, he could just be trying to throw off the HP tracking while claiming to have some kind of plan to avoid the DK as long as possible.

I posted several times during D2 about an inconsistency with the HPs:

There seems to be an extra N1 HP. Can Control V and Red Neurax please confirm they received an HP N1?

DiplomacyandWarfare ignored those posts while knowing he was the cause of the inconsistencies, then only admitted he gave false information when the problem was narrowed down to him.

Ok I get that

You stated though that you believe me to be scum and Dip to not be paired with me. This implies you think Dip is town.

However, when I die and flip town, do you reconsider and vote dip?

I am not ruling out you both being mafia.

If you get me DKed, will you reconsider your town read of DiplomacyandWarfare when I flip town?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I disagree that DiplomacyandWarfare is obviously town for continuously trying to obfuscate the location of the HPs. DiplomacyandWarfare was at risk of DK D1, he could just be trying to throw off the HP tracking while claiming to have some kind of plan to avoid the DK as long as possible.

I posted several times during D2 about an inconsistency with the HPs:



DiplomacyandWarfare ignored those posts while knowing he was the cause of the inconsistencies, then only admitted he gave false information when the problem was narrowed down to him.

Ok I get that

You stated though that you believe me to be scum and Dip to not be paired with me. This implies you think Dip is town.

However, when I die and flip town, do you reconsider and vote dip?

1. I am not ruling out you both being mafia.

2. If you get me DKed, will you reconsider your town read of DiplomacyandWarfare when I flip town?

1. Okay, but didnt you just state you believed me to be scum because I was pocketing Dip by scumming you?

2. I’ll always reconsider with new info. I can’t promise I’ll want to vote him, in fact I still do think he’s very towny, but I’ll definitely at least reconsider