Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[damo666]

Given J passed HPs to Dip and bb N1 he must have got RP from one of them. As Kak passed CPvto bb D1 it looks extremely likely Dip started D1 with RP meaning he received no HP N1.

[damo666]

@bozo sorry to be a nuisance but probably value to also list zero potato claimants.

Yes, I dropped it for phases I thought we had all HPs accounted for, I will add it back when I get a chance.

It is possible that DiplomacyandWarfare had all the missing HPs, though.

If this was true somebody else started D1 with RP and Dip received it N1 when he passed his D1 HP.

[damo666]

Scum are trying to muddy waters.

[damo666]

@bozo sorry to be a nuisance but probably value to also list zero potato claimants.

Yes, I dropped it for phases I thought we had all HPs accounted for, I will add it back when I get a chance.

Thanks

[rdrivera2005]

D1:
BunnyGo: HP, Chaqa
Chaqa: HP, Jamie
DreamTrawler: HP, Control V
ghug: HP, ?
Jamie: HP, Chaqa
Kakarroto: CP, brainbomb
miminena: SP, bozo
Red Neurax: HP, damo

N1:
bozo: SP, BunnyGo
brainbomb: CP
Chaqa: 2 HPs
Control V: 1 HP, miminena
damo: 1 HP, random player
Jamie: 2 HPs, brainbomb, DiplomacyandWarfare

D2:
brainbomb: CP, 1 HP
BunnyGo: SP
DiplomacyandWarfare: 1 HP
Jamie: RP, 1 HP
Just: 2 HPs, brainbomb
miminena: 1 HP, Chaqa

N2:
Chaqa: 2 HPs, Just, rdrivera
Jamie: 1 HP
Just: CP
rdrivera: 1 HP, damo

This is the information I have seen so far. I have removed all DiplomacyandWarfare claims because they have been proven to be unreliable. DiplomacyandWarfare having an HP D2 is based on Jamie saying he passed him one. There is now 1 HP unclaimed for D1, N1, and D2.

I confirm I got a HP today, probably from Chaqa.

[DreamTrawler]

I was trying to provide examples of why I suspect Just.

Whom else do you suspect?

I still suspect DiplomacyandWarfare, although it seems unlikely he is mafia with Just. By POE I think BunnyGo, Chaqa, Control V, and rdrivera are reasonable scum candidates.

Why did you pass the Sweet Potato to Bunny if you suspect him?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Interesting that Brainbomb (confirmed town) threw the couch potato to you…

I’m confused. Are you saying it makes me more likely to be mafia?

Yes.

Why?

Was Jamie not also a high scumread of brain? Why do brain’s takes as a townie outweigh jamies when jamie townread me? Or ND? Or Red?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Dream is moving ever so slightly up my readslist. Still not out of the woods but looking mildly better

I’m going to move rdr out of my townreads because I put him there and haven’t found anything particularly towny from him since

potential pocketing of DreamTrawler

You can’t call everything positive I say about someone potential pocketing. Just feels like you’re looking for things to scumread me on

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Dip form a towncore with me just for the day and lets investigate bozo

Bozo has done very little imo and it seems like he’s coasting

You posted a reads list D2 that did not include me at all, then at the end of N2 I posted this:

Bozo, as well as attending to your journal of potato movements, would you mind commenting on your current view of the game?

I think there is as good chance DiplomacyandWarfare is mafia, using the acquisition of the RP to try to look like town. For someone so interested in the potatoes, he did not seem to care at all if the SP was taken out D1 by DKing miminena. I also think some mafia are blending in fairly well. I have concerns about Just and BunnyGo, they have not done much to make me think they are likely to be town, and they are both good at hiding as mafia.

Then, you conclude I am mafia. Somehow I don't think that is a coincidence.

Also, I get the feeling DiplomacyandWarfare may be town because it looks like you are pocketing him.

Ok. If I flip town what happens then? Do you vote Dip next?

Do you disagree that my analysis is correct?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Undesirable posts by bozo: I don't like how bozo is reading the game in the last page. He isn't looking for clues to find the scum, but rather looking for clues to accuse Just. Mafia tunnelling? I doubt that Just is town but I don't like how focused bozo is rn.

I was trying to provide examples of why I suspect Just.

From the last 2 pages

It doesn’t seem you’ve given any reasoning besides those last 2. Could you elaborate a bit more?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Whom else do you suspect?

I still suspect DiplomacyandWarfare, although it seems unlikely he is mafia with Just. By POE I think BunnyGo, Chaqa, Control V, and rdrivera are reasonable scum candidates.

Why did you pass the Sweet Potato to Bunny if you suspect him?

Good question

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I want to see how bozo usually cases people as town vs mafia

I think this will offer the most insight into his alignment

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

was thinking about this while driving and this makes no sense

Did bozo slip up and accidentally include the person he gave the SP In his scumpool while trying to expand the poe?

[yavuzovic]

Did you have an HP N2? DiplomacyandWarfare later said this:

I had zero potato during D1, N1, D2 and N2. For D3, I will keep this information hidden until I'm convinced otherwise. So the above claim is incorrect.

Why do you think DiplomacyandWarfare has now twice falsely claimed to have passed you an HP?

All I can think of is testing my reaction. If mafia were to kill me tonight, claiming that I hold a potato would obfuscate the kill but then, this claim is easily refutable, especially that town has no gain to support other's fake claims.

[bozotheclown]

Whom else do you suspect?

I still suspect DiplomacyandWarfare, although it seems unlikely he is mafia with Just. By POE I think BunnyGo, Chaqa, Control V, and rdrivera are reasonable scum candidates.

Why did you pass the Sweet Potato to Bunny if you suspect him?

That was N1, but at the time BunnyGo was a player I wanted more information about who seemed unlikely to be up for the DK D2. If he is town, he could get cleared if he ended up passing the SP to a mafia, and if he is mafia, he would have to pass the SP to a town for N2. A mafia with the SP during a day could pass the SP to a town and NK them to get rid of the SP, but that would cost them a NK and possibly implication the mafia holding the SP during the day, so I did not think the best use of the SP was to pass it to one of my top town reads.

[bozotheclown]

Dream is moving ever so slightly up my readslist. Still not out of the woods but looking mildly better

I’m going to move rdr out of my townreads because I put him there and haven’t found anything particularly towny from him since

potential pocketing of DreamTrawler

You can’t call everything positive I say about someone potential pocketing. Just feels like you’re looking for things to scumread me on

It was the way you posted just to say this without giving any reason why that made it seem like pocketing, although I was looking for further evidence you might be mafia based on my suspicion.

[bozotheclown]

Dip form a towncore with me just for the day and lets investigate bozo

Bozo has done very little imo and it seems like he’s coasting

You posted a reads list D2 that did not include me at all, then at the end of N2 I posted this:

I think there is as good chance DiplomacyandWarfare is mafia, using the acquisition of the RP to try to look like town. For someone so interested in the potatoes, he did not seem to care at all if the SP was taken out D1 by DKing miminena. I also think some mafia are blending in fairly well. I have concerns about Just and BunnyGo, they have not done much to make me think they are likely to be town, and they are both good at hiding as mafia.

Then, you conclude I am mafia. Somehow I don't think that is a coincidence.

Also, I get the feeling DiplomacyandWarfare may be town because it looks like you are pocketing him.

Ok. If I flip town what happens then? Do you vote Dip next?

Do you disagree that my analysis is correct?

I disagree that DiplomacyandWarfare is obviously town for continuously trying to obfuscate the location of the HPs. DiplomacyandWarfare was at risk of DK D1, he could just be trying to throw off the HP tracking while claiming to have some kind of plan to avoid the DK as long as possible.

I posted several times during D2 about an inconsistency with the HPs:

I now have two hot potatoes

I had a hot potato Night 1.

My full potato info is as follows:
I had one hot potato d1
I passed it to RED NEURAX
I received an additional hot potato at the start of the night
I am passing that potato to [Redacted]

My vote tomorrow is going on red neurax for the coasting and bandwagoning and basically everything else

as a final note, this is the only one of my EoD posts I wrote within 6 hours of EoN, so a bunch of stuff in some of the earlier ones is probably factually innacurate. For example, red has made a few more shitposts that I have not analyzed, but my post on red neurax still says I analyzed all of them. This is not something I can be bothered to fix at the moment.


Night 1 Dip out

Unless I missed it, bo_sox, Control V, foodcoats, ghug, rdrivera, and worcej have not indicted if they were holding an HP on D1. Please let us know before N1 is over, or let us know if you have an objection to revealing this information. To be clear, if you had one, I am not asking you to reveal who you passed it to yet.

I had one potato D1 and I gave it away, but I am now holding two potatoes.

Also @Bozo I passed my D1 hot potato to Control V. I did not have any during N1.

There seems to be an extra N1 HP. Can Control V and Red Neurax please confirm they received an HP N1?

DiplomacyandWarfare ignored those posts while knowing he was the cause of the inconsistencies, then only admitted he gave false information when the problem was narrowed down to him.

[DreamTrawler]

I still suspect DiplomacyandWarfare, although it seems unlikely he is mafia with Just. By POE I think BunnyGo, Chaqa, Control V, and rdrivera are reasonable scum candidates.

Why did you pass the Sweet Potato to Bunny if you suspect him?

That was N1, but at the time BunnyGo was a player I wanted more information about who seemed unlikely to be up for the DK D2. If he is town, he could get cleared if he ended up passing the SP to a mafia, and if he is mafia, he would have to pass the SP to a town for N2. A mafia with the SP during a day could pass the SP to a town and NK them to get rid of the SP, but that would cost them a NK and possibly implication the mafia holding the SP during the day, so I did not think the best use of the SP was to pass it to one of my top town reads.

OK, I suppose that makes sense. I really would like to know who Bunny passed it to.

[bozotheclown]

Undesirable posts by bozo: I don't like how bozo is reading the game in the last page. He isn't looking for clues to find the scum, but rather looking for clues to accuse Just. Mafia tunnelling? I doubt that Just is town but I don't like how focused bozo is rn.

I was trying to provide examples of why I suspect Just.

From the last 2 pages

It doesn’t seem you’ve given any reasoning besides those last 2. Could you elaborate a bit more?

I posted this N2 EON:

Bozo, as well as attending to your journal of potato movements, would you mind commenting on your current view of the game?

I think there is as good chance DiplomacyandWarfare is mafia, using the acquisition of the RP to try to look like town. For someone so interested in the potatoes, he did not seem to care at all if the SP was taken out D1 by DKing miminena. I also think some mafia are blending in fairly well. I have concerns about Just and BunnyGo, they have not done much to make me think they are likely to be town, and they are both good at hiding as mafia.

Then D3, about 2.5 hours later, you posted this:

Dip form a towncore with me just for the day and lets investigate bozo

Bozo has done very little imo and it seems like he’s coasting

You had not previous stated that you were scum reading me, so it came across as you trying to discredit my suspicion of you, and trying to use DiplomacyandWarfare scum reading me to your advantage by declaring him obviously town.

Also, your confidence that DiplomacyandWarfare is town could be because you know he is town and you will be proven correct if he flips.

[Chaqa]

Jamie and brain being taken out is a real blow to town. They were two of our towniest players IMO and also good posters

I want to vote Will today. I gave him a potato as insurance, and I am 100% confident with no evidence that it will explode him

Explain why

The magic 8-ball said to do it