Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[rdrivera2005]

I think Mimi is town

Mimi
Jamie
Dip
Bunny
Bo
Rdr

I’m winning

I am more or less on this same town core, would remove Bunny and include you and Bozo.

[rdrivera2005]

I didn't have any potato on D1 and N1.

I like the three current wagons, Red have been avoiding giving opinions educational is scummy. And Chaqa and Worcej didn't made anything to get a townread which they usually do as town.

I would add Control and Yav to my vote list for today.

##vote Yav

Why Yav of all those people?

To make some pressure to get him participating.

[rdrivera2005]

I didn't have any potato on D1 and N1.

I like the three current wagons, Red have been avoiding giving opinions educational is scummy. And Chaqa and Worcej didn't made anything to get a townread which they usually do as town.

I would add Control and Yav to my vote list for today.

##vote Yav

Why Yav of all those people?

This is the third time rdrivera has shown up, voted someone with minimal explanation, and then dipped. Feels sus.

##vote rdrivera2005

You never played with me before lol. I have been posting more on this game then my usual average.

[rdrivera2005]

GM POST

brainbomb has replaced worcej

Thanks brainbomb!

Wellcome Brain, good to see you.

Hope all is well with Worcej too.

[rdrivera2005]

don't think it'S RD. That behaviour is pretty normal for him, so that's very NAI

Rdrivera and Control are the two that aren't town (ND was the third) who lazily piled on Dream in the middle of day 1 with nothing to go off of to park their votes. Is that NAI?

maybe I'm wrong, but RD doesn't feel like mafia here to me, especially since he hasn't played with Dream and others have said things about Dream that make him look bad, but are kinda wrong. Like, he's a little bit turned down, but essentially like last game where he was town.

And that RD isn't playing 24/7 this game is well known, as is his low-posting. But contrary to others, he gives logic and reason and has normally high quality posts where he shares his thoughts. I haven't seen anything that makes me suspicious of him, so I don't think he's mafia. Wrong, sure, looking not at the whole picture, but it doesn't feel from him as it's coming from a bad place

Is Kak just buddying me? Anyway, I am liking it.

[rdrivera2005]

Rdrivera and Control are the two that aren't town (ND was the third) who lazily piled on Dream in the middle of day 1 with nothing to go off of to park their votes. Is that NAI?

maybe I'm wrong, but RD doesn't feel like mafia here to me, especially since he hasn't played with Dream and others have said things about Dream that make him look bad, but are kinda wrong. Like, he's a little bit turned down, but essentially like last game where he was town.

And that RD isn't playing 24/7 this game is well known, as is his low-posting. But contrary to others, he gives logic and reason and has normally high quality posts where he shares his thoughts. I haven't seen anything that makes me suspicious of him, so I don't think he's mafia. Wrong, sure, looking not at the whole picture, but it doesn't feel from him as it's coming from a bad place

I haven't seen a ton of logic and reason or high quality posts, but I have barely noticed anything from him since the middle of day 1. Maybe I need to reread.

I am pretty tired of the "he doesn't play that hard or care that much normally, so it's fine" thing. Town or not, that shouldn't be fine.

That's why I stopped playing, I get just bored having to justify each game I can't be online the full day or stop the car during my comute home to not lose EOD.

[rdrivera2005]

•••
I came up with four options:

a) the scumteam is comprised of some combination of people who aren’t thinking hard enough to realize that the only person that wasn’t potentially being saved was mimi, because mimi had the sweet potato and passed it to bozo.

b) the scumteam is made up of a group of people that decided they don’t care about the sweet potato.

c) mimi is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was going and knew how to avoid it.

d) bozo is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was and knew it was out of commission.

I could easily believe option a), especially in a game where more experienced folks like worcej or Chaqa just as two off the cuff examples haven’t really put in any effort but have the background here to fearkill and the experience to take the lead in those conversations. I don’t buy b) at all because it’s just stupid. The last two options also make some sense in a vacuum and, in either case, would explain why the scumteam felt comfortable fearkilling one of the more obvious targets in a game without PRs. Knowing where the sweet potato landed is a wealth of knowledge for one night.

Purely statistically, either mimi or (inclusive) bozo being scum is more than 43%. But we also know that they both can't be scum together because then they wouldn't be able to pass it between, then this goes to 37.5%. This is based on no information but the statistics.
Now we can consider the above information. I think the fact that scum didn't avoid sweet potato combined with 37% chance is not ignorable.
I would therefore put a slight suspicion on mimi or bozo.

Yes, the SP is still in the game. Also, DreamTrawler said he passed his D1 HP to Control V, so it seems like all HPs are still in the game as well.

Sorry if I'm missing something but is there any benefit to town hiding HPs? We should all claim HPs to locate the night kill, and hiding this information should be scum-indicator, I would say but I also can't see a way scum can and should hide this. Anyway, I think we should all fill up bozo's potato claims list.
And I'm probably missing something here, why is the list updated for N1? Why not D2?

I hath two sizzling potates

I have not been suggesting players provide there current HP status since there was some objection to that, but I don't see any reason to keep it hidden.

I think about it and see no reason to hide our potatoes. A little forced but maybe you want nobody to fake claim sending a potato by taking advantage of their ownership claim, but then, we can agree to claim ownership after the previous owner makes the claim and the owner then confirms? Is there any downside?

brainbomb has replaced worcej

Welcome to the game bb!
I have an unprofessional townread on brainbomb. My reasoning is that, if worcej was scum, Sparta would first fill that spot with me instead of foodcoats. I know my alignment to be town and worcej being filled after food.. even townier?

Can somebody summarize the fabricated tie you tried to make on D1. I tried to read but it's impossible to read the entire day in one sitting. I read kak's couch potato claim and and end of day messages, I can understand why you would tie it but it seems like there was no consensus for it.
Given Kak's vote was null, Dip's switch near the EoD breaks the tie and makes ND the lead, and only leaving to someone else after ND wagon attracts another player. This is strange behavior especially since himself is the second leading wagon.

at the time I didn't really understand what dip was going for, why I should switch to mimi, and not myself or something, but in retrospect I understand that he wanted me on mimi so it looks like we tied. But I was sure that my vote wasn't shown on the endscreen, so I didn't understand why he wanted me to switch to mimi, because for me it was the same for the total votecount.

But yeah, if it wouldn't have been shown in the endscreen, then, if I switched to mimi and it was looking as if the two wagons were tied, but ND still got yeeted, then it would've been very logical to assume that I was telling the truth, even when it wasn't shown in the endscreen

If you knew that your vote won't be counted, wouldn't it make more sense for you to stand on a single-voter wagon, to prevent confusion for the town? You claimed before EoD1, so still I don't understand what Dip wanted here. I see that you were also trying to tie it but being on a major wagon where vote counts still include you wasn't helping at all.

it is also reasonably guessable that i would pass it to one of damo or bozo. the question is then whether scum having figured that out would want to take that risk n1

Why is that?



Also I was almost losing my wall post so I'm posting this here and continuing to build another one.

This post have so many weird things and jumps that I don't see it coming from a scum perspective.

So, I will jump to another naked vote

##vote Damo

[damo666]

GM POST

brainbomb has replaced worcej

Thanks brainbomb!

A little ironic

[damo666]

##vote brain

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

lemme see

so, let me see:

• brainbomb replaced worcej

• there are still only two votes on red

• chaqa is a wagon for decent reasons

• red neurax is still talking about having 'plans' instead of actually giving reads

• other than 'control V kinda suspicious'

• brainbomb... is doing nearly nothing

• bozo is keeping track of potatoes and doing basically nothing else

• I have somehow not yet been shitpushed today

Anything else I missed?

I asked you some questions.

questions for me?
ok lets do this

##vote red neurax

Uh why?

go read my EoN posts

Assumption #1: Jamie is town
Assumption #2: BunnyGo is town
Assumption #3: miminena is not lying about having had the sweet potato d1

under these assumptions, the most likely scumteam in my opinion is...
Red Neurax, foodcoats, damo666, and bozotheclown

On D1 you scumread all three of us.

Can you explain why you have done a 180 on your early reads??

already part of this below

oh btw I think I forgot to put the following in an EoN post:
I think jamie is probably town. It looks more likely to me that players such as Food or Will who were making low-effort accusations at me yesterday are scum than that jamie is

I already outlined assumption #2 somewhere but basically bunny's behavior looks towny if you are town, and scummy if you are scum
so, basically, bunny's alignment imo is paired with your own

and the thing about miminena is conditional on miminena having not lied about the sweet potato, not miminena's alignment

@D&W: if you think I am town that's okay, but it would be nice if you would apologise to me, because if I'm town you were pretty nasty yesterday.

No.


anything else?


also, I saw that you voted me. Please explain what I have done that red has not done. Your accusations today consist of failing to answer questions asked of me, which red has egregiously done multiple times, and 'throwing my vote around', presumably bandwagoning, which red did heavily yesterday.

How is it that you are voting me but refuse to vote red?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

so, let me see:

• brainbomb replaced worcej

• there are still only two votes on red

• chaqa is a wagon for decent reasons

• red neurax is still talking about having 'plans' instead of actually giving reads

• other than 'control V kinda suspicious'

• brainbomb... is doing nearly nothing

• bozo is keeping track of potatoes and doing basically nothing else

• I have somehow not yet been shitpushed today

Anything else I missed?

Yes, you again did not answer my questions about D1 EOD:

Why did you vote for miminena after they claimed to have the SP?

Did you ever answer this?

no, do not. If you do so I will assume you are lying.

Why were you so concerned about the possibility that Kakarroto was fake claiming the CP?

##VOTE DiplomacyandWarfare

both of these have been answered.

##vote miminena
for the fabricated tie

(if you're unsure what I was talking about, you can find out by actually fucking reading my posts. I discussed what I thought was happening with the CP in some detail during N1)

I think kak is lying...

i'm curious what motive would he have to lie about having the couch potato?

losing all accountability for his vote?

You stand accused of claiming I did not answer questions that I did, in fact, answer, as an excuse to shitpush me.
##vote bozotheclown
##end

[Jamiet99uk]

Excuse me for wanting to know why Brainbean is shading me.

Marker: Catching up from here, middle of page 74.

[brainbomb]

##vote Jamiet99uk

[yavuzovic]

You stand accused of claiming I did not answer questions that I did, in fact, answer, as an excuse to shitpush me.
##vote bozotheclown
##end

I didn't yet read those questions from EoD so I can't say anything about bozo, but randomly accusing people is more of a town thing to do than mafia. Mafia would find baseless excuses or misinterpret cues but what you accuse and vote bozo for is not necessarily a scum indicator in my opinion.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I don't remember where I put kak on the readlist earlier but I did some analysis and there's not a lot scummy about kak, who has been posting a lot both days so far
also the reasons for voting kak seem to consist of 'this seems like scum kak', 'kak either agree with me or die', and 'I would rather vote kak than will'
this day is a train wreck

[yavuzovic]

You stand accused of claiming I did not answer questions that I did, in fact, answer, as an excuse to shitpush me.
##vote bozotheclown
##end

I didn't yet read those questions from EoD so I can't say anything about bozo, but randomly accusing people is more of a town thing to do than mafia. Mafia would find baseless excuses or misinterpret cues but what you accuse and vote bozo for is not necessarily a scum indicator in my opinion.

Bozo is probably experienced enough to ignore this, and I didn't play mafia for a long enough time not to remember anyone's play style. I still don't expect scum bozo to ask you questions, ignore your answers and vote you for not answering them.

[Jamiet99uk]

Would you be hypothetically voting Kaka if you could

I feel strongest about Mimi of my scumreads.

why do you feel strongly abt me being scum just from having lackluster posts? do you not feel that strongly abt anybody otherwise or do you really think that it's especially scummy? and if the latter why me over red?

bleh if i'm making an aggressive post like that i should prob leave the thread and calm down a bit cya

I don't think this came across as overly aggressive, do not worry.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

You stand accused of claiming I did not answer questions that I did, in fact, answer, as an excuse to shitpush me.
##vote bozotheclown
##end

I didn't yet read those questions from EoD so I can't say anything about bozo, but randomly accusing people is more of a town thing to do than mafia. Mafia would find baseless excuses or misinterpret cues but what you accuse and vote bozo for is not necessarily a scum indicator in my opinion.

I recognize that, but I am not tolerating this behavior, given the amount of coasting in this game. If bozo unvotes me I may consider moving my vote, but bozo's reasoning is absurd and I do not accept it.

[Jamiet99uk]

Chaqa whats a reasonable phase that we can expect you to care about this game and we can just shelve you aside as a townclear frozen in liquid goo until we need to thaw you out to save us from ourselves?

I've been here since night basically. I just have stuff going on a lot. I'm trying to get a feel for all the new players but I also have not read any of day 1 basically, so I'm kinda finding my footing.

What sucks is the only real interaction I'm having is with bo, which is just tedious.

Does your interaction with Bo make you think that Bo is aggressive scum or mistaken town?

[Jamiet99uk]

##vote Jamiet99uk

Why are you voting for me?

You threw shade on me with your early posts but gave no clear reasons.