Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[yavuzovic]

Reading the game is only fun when it is not more than 10 people.

[yavuzovic]

yay will wagon
##vote will
will tried to push me yesterday

Okay you are my only single scumread for now, I also didn't like your switches near EoD1.
##vote DiplomacyandWarfare

[Control V]

I have you as very clearly mafia kak

My scumreads are
Mimi
Red
Kakk
Dream

At the moment
It doesnt matter as my vote is powerless today anyway

Dream/Kak/Red probably isn't three scum but is likely two.

Mimi seemed townier early D2/late N1 so your read there might change.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I have you as very clearly mafia kak

My scumreads are
Mimi
Red
Kakk
Dream

At the moment
It doesnt matter as my vote is powerless today anyway

Dream/Kak/Red probably isn't three scum but is likely two.

Mimi seemed townier early D2/late N1 so your read there might change.

My read is dream/Kak if I had to pick 2

Red is just there

[Red Neurax]

I have you as very clearly mafia kak

My scumreads are
Mimi
Red
Kakk
Dream

At the moment
It doesnt matter as my vote is powerless today anyway

Dream/Kak/Red probably isn't three scum but is likely two.

Mimi seemed townier early D2/late N1 so your read there might change.

icl ts not me

[Chaqa]

How do you feel about the fact that so many people are scumreading you?

Completely unbothered. This is pretty normal for games I play in, and it's also part of my playstyle so I don't get night-killed.

This is a really funny question from Dream and if Chaqa flips scum I will be taking a hard look at Dream next.

Chaqa, you don't usually play to the literal minimum requirements, and while I cannot even begin to understand what having an infant at home requires I don't believe for a second that your increased activity is due to anything other than me pushing for your demise. Claiming that you are completely unbothered by it seems rather disingenuous when one can look at your activity before and after I openly stated I was coming after you for making exactly 5 posts and exactly 1 unjustified vote on the first day of the game.

It would be much easier for me to believe that you're town if the people who are voting the one formerly known as worcej or Red or those who voted for a lurker at some point on day 1 were remotely interested in voting for you, but for some completely mysterious (you're mafia) reason, I can never seem to get any tangible momentum going.

Bro I literally just forgot about the game. It's not that deep

[Chaqa]

How do you feel about the fact that so many people are scumreading you?

Completely unbothered. This is pretty normal for games I play in, and it's also part of my playstyle so I don't get night-killed.

famous last words before a potato disaster

If everyone just keeps sending me their hot potatoes, I will eventually be proven as town

[Chaqa]

How much of me do you want this day


A. The full bb
B. Just sheep ____’s shit cuz theyre amazing
C. Dont care and this question is scummy
D. Id be happy with a low investment bb for once

B. Just sheep bo-sox's shit cuz theyre amazing

[Chaqa]

Unpopular opinion but Civ 6 is fun. Its not the same gameplay loop as 5 but saying its unfun is not true

Only an unpopular opinion in the weird circle of the internet WebDip exists in. Civ 6 is widely viewed as a vastly superior game.

Civ 5 punished you for building a civilization. It just wanted you to build a Tri-City area. Civ 6 is like Civ 4 in that it feels like you're progressing outward and expanding.

Civ 7 trash tho fr

[bo_sox48]

Kak is absolutely in his scum playstyle. I can elaborate further if needed but pressure is good

I'm down. Let's do it ##VOTE Kaka

[bozotheclown]

so, let me see:

• brainbomb replaced worcej

• there are still only two votes on red

• chaqa is a wagon for decent reasons

• red neurax is still talking about having 'plans' instead of actually giving reads

• other than 'control V kinda suspicious'

• brainbomb... is doing nearly nothing

• bozo is keeping track of potatoes and doing basically nothing else

• I have somehow not yet been shitpushed today

Anything else I missed?

Yes, you again did not answer my questions about D1 EOD:

##vote miminena
for the fabricated tie

Why did you vote for miminena after they claimed to have the SP?

Did you ever answer this?

should I move my vote to myself, so no one gets confused?

That way, I think, might even prove that I have it with the count at the end. If I had a vote I probably wouldn't move, but I guess I could change it so it's much clearer?

no, do not. If you do so I will assume you are lying.

Why were you so concerned about the possibility that Kakarroto was fake claiming the CP?

##VOTE DiplomacyandWarfare

[bo_sox48]

•••
I came up with four options:

a) the scumteam is comprised of some combination of people who aren’t thinking hard enough to realize that the only person that wasn’t potentially being saved was mimi, because mimi had the sweet potato and passed it to bozo.

b) the scumteam is made up of a group of people that decided they don’t care about the sweet potato.

c) mimi is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was going and knew how to avoid it.

d) bozo is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was and knew it was out of commission.

I could easily believe option a), especially in a game where more experienced folks like worcej or Chaqa just as two off the cuff examples haven’t really put in any effort but have the background here to fearkill and the experience to take the lead in those conversations. I don’t buy b) at all because it’s just stupid. The last two options also make some sense in a vacuum and, in either case, would explain why the scumteam felt comfortable fearkilling one of the more obvious targets in a game without PRs. Knowing where the sweet potato landed is a wealth of knowledge for one night.

Purely statistically, either mimi or (inclusive) bozo being scum is more than 43%. But we also know that they both can't be scum together because then they wouldn't be able to pass it between, then this goes to 37.5%. This is based on no information but the statistics.
Now we can consider the above information. I think the fact that scum didn't avoid sweet potato combined with 37% chance is not ignorable.
I would therefore put a slight suspicion on mimi or bozo.

Yes, the SP is still in the game. Also, DreamTrawler said he passed his D1 HP to Control V, so it seems like all HPs are still in the game as well.

Sorry if I'm missing something but is there any benefit to town hiding HPs? We should all claim HPs to locate the night kill, and hiding this information should be scum-indicator, I would say but I also can't see a way scum can and should hide this. Anyway, I think we should all fill up bozo's potato claims list.
And I'm probably missing something here, why is the list updated for N1? Why not D2?

I hath two sizzling potates

I have not been suggesting players provide there current HP status since there was some objection to that, but I don't see any reason to keep it hidden.

I think about it and see no reason to hide our potatoes. A little forced but maybe you want nobody to fake claim sending a potato by taking advantage of their ownership claim, but then, we can agree to claim ownership after the previous owner makes the claim and the owner then confirms? Is there any downside?

brainbomb has replaced worcej

Welcome to the game bb!
I have an unprofessional townread on brainbomb. My reasoning is that, if worcej was scum, Sparta would first fill that spot with me instead of foodcoats. I know my alignment to be town and worcej being filled after food.. even townier?

Can somebody summarize the fabricated tie you tried to make on D1. I tried to read but it's impossible to read the entire day in one sitting. I read kak's couch potato claim and and end of day messages, I can understand why you would tie it but it seems like there was no consensus for it.
Given Kak's vote was null, Dip's switch near the EoD breaks the tie and makes ND the lead, and only leaving to someone else after ND wagon attracts another player. This is strange behavior especially since himself is the second leading wagon.

at the time I didn't really understand what dip was going for, why I should switch to mimi, and not myself or something, but in retrospect I understand that he wanted me on mimi so it looks like we tied. But I was sure that my vote wasn't shown on the endscreen, so I didn't understand why he wanted me to switch to mimi, because for me it was the same for the total votecount.

But yeah, if it wouldn't have been shown in the endscreen, then, if I switched to mimi and it was looking as if the two wagons were tied, but ND still got yeeted, then it would've been very logical to assume that I was telling the truth, even when it wasn't shown in the endscreen

If you knew that your vote won't be counted, wouldn't it make more sense for you to stand on a single-voter wagon, to prevent confusion for the town? You claimed before EoD1, so still I don't understand what Dip wanted here. I see that you were also trying to tie it but being on a major wagon where vote counts still include you wasn't helping at all.

it is also reasonably guessable that i would pass it to one of damo or bozo. the question is then whether scum having figured that out would want to take that risk n1

Why is that?



Also I was almost losing my wall post so I'm posting this here and continuing to build another one.

Excellent post on multiple fronts.

And thank you for reminding me that I need to do something with my potato

[brainbomb]

How much of me do you want this day


A. The full bb
B. Just sheep ____’s shit cuz theyre amazing
C. Dont care and this question is scummy
D. Id be happy with a low investment bb for once

B. Just sheep bo-sox's shit cuz theyre amazing

I feel very…Rolls percentile (17) Drops longsword” about this

[bo_sox48]

I have you as very clearly mafia kak

My scumreads are
Mimi
Red
Kakk
Dream

At the moment
It doesnt matter as my vote is powerless today anyway

Dream/Kak/Red probably isn't three scum but is likely two.

Mimi seemed townier early D2/late N1 so your read there might change.

icl ts not me

I'm going to laugh when I get NKed and have to watch you just coast to D7 or something

[bozotheclown]

•••
I came up with four options:

a) the scumteam is comprised of some combination of people who aren’t thinking hard enough to realize that the only person that wasn’t potentially being saved was mimi, because mimi had the sweet potato and passed it to bozo.

b) the scumteam is made up of a group of people that decided they don’t care about the sweet potato.

c) mimi is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was going and knew how to avoid it.

d) bozo is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was and knew it was out of commission.

I could easily believe option a), especially in a game where more experienced folks like worcej or Chaqa just as two off the cuff examples haven’t really put in any effort but have the background here to fearkill and the experience to take the lead in those conversations. I don’t buy b) at all because it’s just stupid. The last two options also make some sense in a vacuum and, in either case, would explain why the scumteam felt comfortable fearkilling one of the more obvious targets in a game without PRs. Knowing where the sweet potato landed is a wealth of knowledge for one night.

Purely statistically, either mimi or (inclusive) bozo being scum is more than 43%. But we also know that they both can't be scum together because then they wouldn't be able to pass it between, then this goes to 37.5%. This is based on no information but the statistics.
Now we can consider the above information. I think the fact that scum didn't avoid sweet potato combined with 37% chance is not ignorable.
I would therefore put a slight suspicion on mimi or bozo.

Yes, the SP is still in the game. Also, DreamTrawler said he passed his D1 HP to Control V, so it seems like all HPs are still in the game as well.

Sorry if I'm missing something but is there any benefit to town hiding HPs? We should all claim HPs to locate the night kill, and hiding this information should be scum-indicator, I would say but I also can't see a way scum can and should hide this. Anyway, I think we should all fill up bozo's potato claims list.
And I'm probably missing something here, why is the list updated for N1? Why not D2?

I hath two sizzling potates

I have not been suggesting players provide there current HP status since there was some objection to that, but I don't see any reason to keep it hidden.

I think about it and see no reason to hide our potatoes. A little forced but maybe you want nobody to fake claim sending a potato by taking advantage of their ownership claim, but then, we can agree to claim ownership after the previous owner makes the claim and the owner then confirms? Is there any downside?

brainbomb has replaced worcej

Welcome to the game bb!
I have an unprofessional townread on brainbomb. My reasoning is that, if worcej was scum, Sparta would first fill that spot with me instead of foodcoats. I know my alignment to be town and worcej being filled after food.. even townier?

Can somebody summarize the fabricated tie you tried to make on D1. I tried to read but it's impossible to read the entire day in one sitting. I read kak's couch potato claim and and end of day messages, I can understand why you would tie it but it seems like there was no consensus for it.
Given Kak's vote was null, Dip's switch near the EoD breaks the tie and makes ND the lead, and only leaving to someone else after ND wagon attracts another player. This is strange behavior especially since himself is the second leading wagon.

at the time I didn't really understand what dip was going for, why I should switch to mimi, and not myself or something, but in retrospect I understand that he wanted me on mimi so it looks like we tied. But I was sure that my vote wasn't shown on the endscreen, so I didn't understand why he wanted me to switch to mimi, because for me it was the same for the total votecount.

But yeah, if it wouldn't have been shown in the endscreen, then, if I switched to mimi and it was looking as if the two wagons were tied, but ND still got yeeted, then it would've been very logical to assume that I was telling the truth, even when it wasn't shown in the endscreen

If you knew that your vote won't be counted, wouldn't it make more sense for you to stand on a single-voter wagon, to prevent confusion for the town? You claimed before EoD1, so still I don't understand what Dip wanted here. I see that you were also trying to tie it but being on a major wagon where vote counts still include you wasn't helping at all.

it is also reasonably guessable that i would pass it to one of damo or bozo. the question is then whether scum having figured that out would want to take that risk n1

Why is that?



Also I was almost losing my wall post so I'm posting this here and continuing to build another one.

When I originally suggested immediately declaring HPs, there was some objection, so waiting a phase seemed to be the consensus. I don't see a significant town reason to keep them hidden.

[brainbomb]

I was told that I have the couch potato and thus my vote is not going to count today I assume this should be helpful to avoiding potential ties.

[Jamiet99uk]

yay will wagon
##vote will
will tried to push me yesterday

##Vote Diplomacy&Warfare.

I asked you some perfectly reasonable questions.
You ignore them and start throwing your vote around.

Not acceptable.

[bozotheclown]

GM POST

Vote count 2.2

Red Neurax (2): DiplomacyandWarfare Kakarroto
brainbomb (2): bozotheclown, JustAGuyNamedWill
Chaqa (1): bo_sox48
yavuzovic (1): rdrivera2005
rdrivera2005 (1): DreamTrawler
Unvote (1): Jamiet99uk

bozotheclown's vote on worcej carries over as a vote on brainbomb.

##VOTE brainbomb, for the bot

This seems excessive.

I don't know what you mean by excessive, I was keeping the bot consistent with the official vote count.

[bo_sox48]

Completely unbothered. This is pretty normal for games I play in, and it's also part of my playstyle so I don't get night-killed.

This is a really funny question from Dream and if Chaqa flips scum I will be taking a hard look at Dream next.

Chaqa, you don't usually play to the literal minimum requirements, and while I cannot even begin to understand what having an infant at home requires I don't believe for a second that your increased activity is due to anything other than me pushing for your demise. Claiming that you are completely unbothered by it seems rather disingenuous when one can look at your activity before and after I openly stated I was coming after you for making exactly 5 posts and exactly 1 unjustified vote on the first day of the game.

It would be much easier for me to believe that you're town if the people who are voting the one formerly known as worcej or Red or those who voted for a lurker at some point on day 1 were remotely interested in voting for you, but for some completely mysterious (you're mafia) reason, I can never seem to get any tangible momentum going.

Bro I literally just forgot about the game. It's not that deep

You showed up twice on different real world days, so no, you didn't. One of those times was for EOD, when you cast a vote to put ND in the lead without explanation - and still without explanation too - with an hour to go in the phase and dipped out before all the fun. With that vote you met the daily minimums! You could have stayed around and posted a sixth time, and then I probably wouldn't be so insistent that you obviously aimed for the daily minimums by rules. I'm sorry but I just don't believe you.

[bozotheclown]

I was told that I have the couch potato and thus my vote is not going to count today I assume this should be helpful to avoiding potential ties.

Yes, thanks. Kakarroto can confirm its D2 holder.