Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[DreamTrawler]

Doing this 20 minutes later makes it weirder

Will's votes have been weird all game, I still find the last minute Bunny vote on D1 suspicious. And then he immediately goes back to townreading Bunny.

Unfortunately me being insane is more town indicative than not

What do you think of Bo?

Bo has been doing a lot of questioning and has made some long posts that outline suspects pretty well (see page 48). I still have some suspicions but he's not on my list of early votes.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Chat we should not kill me today wait until lylo so kak can take me out

##VOTE KAK

@Kak explain your vote and reconcile your case with your agreement with my towncore

[DreamTrawler]

I'm still down to vote for most of these people. Specifically Will, Chaqa, Red, Rdrivera. If people think Rdrivera is just being his usual self (I wouldn't know) then I guess that's whatever but I have found his votes to be completely random (why Yavuzovic out of the 5 people he mentioned??).

I want to give Yavuzovic and Brainbomb at least a day to see how they act. And Bunny being on my list is mostly vibes based.

But anyway, I am changing my vote again, sorry Bo. I found your post at the top of page 48 to be well reasoned and I have felt suspicious of Will for a while.

Chaqa is kind of sus but partially due to low participation and not understanding mechanics. Will has not provided a good explanation for his D1 voting pattern (I thought Bunny was mafia is not a good answer) and he's continuing to switch votes as if to start random wagons of town.

And despite Control V's vendetta against me I don't think Control V is the best daykill here and I feel like people who are saying that are trying to earn my goodwill.


##vote JustAGuyNamedWill

Ok Dream heres where we’re at

I get you’re suspicious of me. I’m always sus as town. But ask yourself if I resemble my scum game at all. You had first hand experience of how I play. This is not my mafia game

And why is “I thought Bunny was mafia” not a good answer? Why else would I vote someone unless it was to prevent a tie

I mean it's true that I have experience of your scum game but you were also very convincing at it and fooled me so...

And it's not a good answer because you only thought Bunny was mafia for that brief period of time. Before and after you townread him. Feels like a weird and potentially harmful-to-town vote to make last minute.

[brainbomb]

Kak is absolutely in his scum playstyle. I can elaborate further if needed but pressure is good

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

But anyway, I am changing my vote again, sorry Bo. I found your post at the top of page 48 to be well reasoned and I have felt suspicious of Will for a while.

Chaqa is kind of sus but partially due to low participation and not understanding mechanics. Will has not provided a good explanation for his D1 voting pattern (I thought Bunny was mafia is not a good answer) and he's continuing to switch votes as if to start random wagons of town.

And despite Control V's vendetta against me I don't think Control V is the best daykill here and I feel like people who are saying that are trying to earn my goodwill.


##vote JustAGuyNamedWill

Ok Dream heres where we’re at

I get you’re suspicious of me. I’m always sus as town. But ask yourself if I resemble my scum game at all. You had first hand experience of how I play. This is not my mafia game

And why is “I thought Bunny was mafia” not a good answer? Why else would I vote someone unless it was to prevent a tie

I mean it's true that I have experience of your scum game but you were also very convincing at it and fooled me so...

And it's not a good answer because you only thought Bunny was mafia for that brief period of time. Before and after you townread him. Feels like a weird and potentially harmful-to-town vote to make last minute.

I mean sure, but things can change on a dime. I’m *actually* trying to solve instead of fake solving so I’m using new info such as bunnys posting to make changes to my view on his alignment

Also yes I fooled you, but I fooled you by being consistent and towny. I’m not trying to fool anyone or put on a facade which is why I’m so confusing to many people

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Kak is absolutely in his scum playstyle. I can elaborate further if needed but pressure is good

Brain why do you think I’m scum

[brainbomb]

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p#316 feels like its late to the party where bo looked bad and wants bo to go back to the scummy looking crowd

P#322 will is mafia. Thats a shitty read. Will defends mimi in post p#319 and kak in P#320 and both feel deliberately forced to protect scum partners who are not shiny yet.

Will defends Jamie. Hammers away at dip and will does rise up to the task.

Now jamie mutes Dip
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[DreamTrawler]

Ok Dream heres where we’re at

I get you’re suspicious of me. I’m always sus as town. But ask yourself if I resemble my scum game at all. You had first hand experience of how I play. This is not my mafia game

And why is “I thought Bunny was mafia” not a good answer? Why else would I vote someone unless it was to prevent a tie

I mean it's true that I have experience of your scum game but you were also very convincing at it and fooled me so...

And it's not a good answer because you only thought Bunny was mafia for that brief period of time. Before and after you townread him. Feels like a weird and potentially harmful-to-town vote to make last minute.

I mean sure, but things can change on a dime. I’m *actually* trying to solve instead of fake solving so I’m using new info such as bunnys posting to make changes to my view on his alignment

Also yes I fooled you, but I fooled you by being consistent and towny. I’m not trying to fool anyone or put on a facade which is why I’m so confusing to many people

I'm going to stay on you for now. If people make a more convincing argument for Red/Chaqa/Rdrivera I might switch.

Also, I really should log off, I've been on here wayyy too much today. See yall tomorrow.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I mean it's true that I have experience of your scum game but you were also very convincing at it and fooled me so...

And it's not a good answer because you only thought Bunny was mafia for that brief period of time. Before and after you townread him. Feels like a weird and potentially harmful-to-town vote to make last minute.

I mean sure, but things can change on a dime. I’m *actually* trying to solve instead of fake solving so I’m using new info such as bunnys posting to make changes to my view on his alignment

Also yes I fooled you, but I fooled you by being consistent and towny. I’m not trying to fool anyone or put on a facade which is why I’m so confusing to many people

I'm going to stay on you for now. If people make a more convincing argument for Red/Chaqa/Rdrivera I might switch.

Also, I really should log off, I've been on here wayyy too much today. See yall tomorrow.

Pls respond when you get time, I want to know what you think of it

[brainbomb]

Actually maybe will just needs a hug

Do you want a hug man

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

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p#316 feels like its late to the party where bo looked bad and wants bo to go back to the scummy looking crowd

P#322 will is mafia. Thats a shitty read. Will defends mimi in post p#319 and kak in P#320 and both feel deliberately forced to protect scum partners who are not shiny yet.

Will defends Jamie. Hammers away at dip and will does rise up to the task.

Now jamie mutes Dip
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Interesting. Why do you think me defending jamie is scummy? And why is p#322 a shitty team read?

[brainbomb]

Actually I dont know if I think any of that matters rn.

Do you want a hug or not

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Actually maybe will just needs a hug

Do you want a hug man

I’m ok, im in a good mood today

Thx tho

Can you elaborate a bit more on why Kak is scum? Im interested

[brainbomb]

Writing you down as not a huggie bear

[brainbomb]

I have 40 more pages to read so ill elaborate once ive digested some more of the delicious appetizers of my people

[brainbomb]

Oh also Jamie is loud but not towny at all. So theres that

[brainbomb]

Aight im going to mini golf

[Jamiet99uk]

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p#316 feels like its late to the party where bo looked bad and wants bo to go back to the scummy looking crowd

P#322 will is mafia. Thats a shitty read. Will defends mimi in post p#319 and kak in P#320 and both feel deliberately forced to protect scum partners who are not shiny yet.

Will defends Jamie. Hammers away at dip and will does rise up to the task.

Now jamie mutes Dip
)

So?
Yes?
And?

[Jamiet99uk]

Naturally I do not like Brainbomb showing up, throwing shade on me with no explanation, and then leaving.

Pffft.

[yavuzovic]

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I came up with four options:

a) the scumteam is comprised of some combination of people who aren’t thinking hard enough to realize that the only person that wasn’t potentially being saved was mimi, because mimi had the sweet potato and passed it to bozo.

b) the scumteam is made up of a group of people that decided they don’t care about the sweet potato.

c) mimi is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was going and knew how to avoid it.

d) bozo is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was and knew it was out of commission.

I could easily believe option a), especially in a game where more experienced folks like worcej or Chaqa just as two off the cuff examples haven’t really put in any effort but have the background here to fearkill and the experience to take the lead in those conversations. I don’t buy b) at all because it’s just stupid. The last two options also make some sense in a vacuum and, in either case, would explain why the scumteam felt comfortable fearkilling one of the more obvious targets in a game without PRs. Knowing where the sweet potato landed is a wealth of knowledge for one night.

Purely statistically, either mimi or (inclusive) bozo being scum is more than 43%. But we also know that they both can't be scum together because then they wouldn't be able to pass it between, then this goes to 37.5%. This is based on no information but the statistics.
Now we can consider the above information. I think the fact that scum didn't avoid sweet potato combined with 37% chance is not ignorable.
I would therefore put a slight suspicion on mimi or bozo.

Yes, the SP is still in the game. Also, DreamTrawler said he passed his D1 HP to Control V, so it seems like all HPs are still in the game as well.

Sorry if I'm missing something but is there any benefit to town hiding HPs? We should all claim HPs to locate the night kill, and hiding this information should be scum-indicator, I would say but I also can't see a way scum can and should hide this. Anyway, I think we should all fill up bozo's potato claims list.
And I'm probably missing something here, why is the list updated for N1? Why not D2?

I hath two sizzling potates

I have not been suggesting players provide there current HP status since there was some objection to that, but I don't see any reason to keep it hidden.

I think about it and see no reason to hide our potatoes. A little forced but maybe you want nobody to fake claim sending a potato by taking advantage of their ownership claim, but then, we can agree to claim ownership after the previous owner makes the claim and the owner then confirms? Is there any downside?

brainbomb has replaced worcej

Welcome to the game bb!
I have an unprofessional townread on brainbomb. My reasoning is that, if worcej was scum, Sparta would first fill that spot with me instead of foodcoats. I know my alignment to be town and worcej being filled after food.. even townier?

Can somebody summarize the fabricated tie you tried to make on D1. I tried to read but it's impossible to read the entire day in one sitting. I read kak's couch potato claim and and end of day messages, I can understand why you would tie it but it seems like there was no consensus for it.
Given Kak's vote was null, Dip's switch near the EoD breaks the tie and makes ND the lead, and only leaving to someone else after ND wagon attracts another player. This is strange behavior especially since himself is the second leading wagon.

at the time I didn't really understand what dip was going for, why I should switch to mimi, and not myself or something, but in retrospect I understand that he wanted me on mimi so it looks like we tied. But I was sure that my vote wasn't shown on the endscreen, so I didn't understand why he wanted me to switch to mimi, because for me it was the same for the total votecount.

But yeah, if it wouldn't have been shown in the endscreen, then, if I switched to mimi and it was looking as if the two wagons were tied, but ND still got yeeted, then it would've been very logical to assume that I was telling the truth, even when it wasn't shown in the endscreen

If you knew that your vote won't be counted, wouldn't it make more sense for you to stand on a single-voter wagon, to prevent confusion for the town? You claimed before EoD1, so still I don't understand what Dip wanted here. I see that you were also trying to tie it but being on a major wagon where vote counts still include you wasn't helping at all.

it is also reasonably guessable that i would pass it to one of damo or bozo. the question is then whether scum having figured that out would want to take that risk n1

Why is that?



Also I was almost losing my wall post so I'm posting this here and continuing to build another one.