Mafia round 93: hot potato! (game thread)

[Kakarroto]

everytime I post, I eat ONE potato chip


(also I caught up with the thread)

[DreamTrawler]

Why Yav of all those people?

This is the third time rdrivera has shown up, voted someone with minimal explanation, and then dipped. Feels sus.

##vote rdrivera2005

don't think it'S RD. That behaviour is pretty normal for him, so that's very NAI

Well, even if it’s normal for him, it’s certainly unhelpful. Nevertheless there doesn’t seem to be any traction on this wagon, so I will ##vote Chaqa instead.

[miminena]

i was thinking abt the game earlier and it came to mind that surrounding the ghug NK if it wasn't a fear kill there was someone i thought might be scum but i forgot who it was, and i also thought that there was someone based on d2 play who i thought might be town and again i forgot, then i checked and they're both damo :p

can't fully explain rn both reads but i will when i get a chance

generally though i think one of the people pushing the narrative of ghug being a fear kill could be scum, esp damo since he was under a bit of fire from ghug during the night

to explain my town read part i feel like damo as scum seemed to be setting up a few pushes n1 so the fact that he hasn't really followed through with anything inclines me to think him as town. he's also almost never paired with bozo since bozo has been very blatant of grouping them as a unit (for example #564) which feels more like pocketing scum or pocketed town than theater, but still most likely t/t imo

[bo_sox48]

I Feel like people may have missed or in general overlooked many of my posts so I have compiled my read on Dream.

The quotes are condensed!

I'm not sure how I could improve it but if you have ideas or really anything tell me.

Dream Traveler feels a bit too restrained.

Restrained how? This is only my second game and I still haven’t really gotten up to scratch on what tells people have in the early game. I have 1-3 suspects but don’t feel strongly enough to vote yet.

It felt like you're actively avoiding making game progressing content.

Who are the 1-3 suspects and why is this your first comment about them?

Suspicions: mimi-Bunny opening could be planned mafia stuff as damo and bo asserted.

How do you think the mimi-Bunny openings are planned per-say?

I Don't think they believe their read on the game open. Don't see where it would come from at all. Very convienient to agree with joke reads instead of making your own tbh.

Elaborate why you read the game open the way you did I suppose as I am not buying it at all.

To be honest, part of it was me being dumb and forgetting Mafia couldn't communicate in their chat right now. I also thought Bunny voting Mimi right away and Mimi voting Foodcoats right away was weird but you're right, that was probably just jokes.

I Would like more votes on Dream.

As an additional reason to vote them they are currently acting as if they thought the vote(s) between Bunny and Mimi early were genuine when they had previously spoke of their early interactions as "interacting with each other to avoid suspicion" which doesn't really compute well as a flat-out bus if you think they thought it was a genuine push for some reason.

Do you actually have evidence compiled against Dream or were you just trying to talk about yourself?

[bo_sox48]

I think Brain is much easier to read than worcej

##VOTE BRAIN science

Weird

[bo_sox48]

##VOTE RED

Doing this 20 minutes later makes it weirder

[bo_sox48]

Okay it was an hour but whatever, nothing happened or changed

[miminena]

hmm, usually I'm not a nk target, mafia often thinks I can be misvoted. I guess they thought that mimi is new enough to fall in the same category?

Thinking about it, I was only nk'ed N1 (or rather doused and later set aflame) by brain because of Chaqa, in the game with many cops, because Chaqa thought I would notice that he was mafia that game. Guess it's a slight town point for him that it didn't happen this game? But he could've been overruled.

Anyway, bozo was probably a good target too. Maybe mafia guessed correctly that he would get the safe potato? (ugh, why did my brain automatically imagine a safe made out of potato when I wrote this? That's not a very good safe) Bozo was kinda high on the town list, I think, so maybe mafia didn't want to risk hitting the potato?

I mean, another option would be that bozo is mafia, but I kinda doubt that. I mean, he would probably get much towncred for a phase or two if they hit a teammate that has that potato, but if bozo keeps surviving afterwards, we would notice that pretty fast and just vote him out.

Hmm. Yeah, it is a bit strange, thinking about it, mafia would love to get that potato out of the game as early as possible, no? Like a townclear now is much less valuable than a townclear in the later stages. So avoiding bozo for fear of hitting the potato is kinda a wrong line of thought.

Maybe it was a read of someone that lead to ghug's demise? Or they just thought that ghug was scarier than others? Hmm

On the whole I’ve gotten a pretty fair town vibe from bozo and mimi alike, but this got me thinking about how the mafia team could intelligently, with full knowledge of the potato mechanics, could believe they can afford to fearkill ghug. I came up with four options:

a) the scumteam is comprised of some combination of people who aren’t thinking hard enough to realize that the only person that wasn’t potentially being saved was mimi, because mimi had the sweet potato and passed it to bozo.

b) the scumteam is made up of a group of people that decided they don’t care about the sweet potato.

c) mimi is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was going and knew how to avoid it.

d) bozo is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was and knew it was out of commission.

I could easily believe option a), especially in a game where more experienced folks like worcej or Chaqa just as two off the cuff examples haven’t really put in any effort but have the background here to fearkill and the experience to take the lead in those conversations. I don’t buy b) at all because it’s just stupid. The last two options also make some sense in a vacuum and, in either case, would explain why the scumteam felt comfortable fearkilling one of the more obvious targets in a game without PRs. Knowing where the sweet potato landed is a wealth of knowledge for one night.

hmm ... seems like the probability that there is one mafia between mimi and bozo is higher with this. Well they can't be both mafia, that we know at least, or someone absolutely lied about the sweet potato, and is currently silent, just wanting to wait who reacts in which way.

Then again, if both are town, the ghug hit would make sense too, since I doubt that mafia thought that he would get the potato over others tha tlooked more town. Well at least from my perspective looked it like ghug didn't ooze town here. Right?

it is also reasonably guessable that i would pass it to one of damo or bozo. the question is then whether scum having figured that out would want to take that risk n1

[bo_sox48]

Completely unbothered. This is pretty normal for games I play in, and it's also part of my playstyle so I don't get night-killed.

This is a really funny question from Dream and if Chaqa flips scum I will be taking a hard look at Dream next.

Chaqa, you don't usually play to the literal minimum requirements, and while I cannot even begin to understand what having an infant at home requires I don't believe for a second that your increased activity is due to anything other than me pushing for your demise. Claiming that you are completely unbothered by it seems rather disingenuous when one can look at your activity before and after I openly stated I was coming after you for making exactly 5 posts and exactly 1 unjustified vote on the first day of the game.

It would be much easier for me to believe that you're town if the people who are voting the one formerly known as worcej or Red or those who voted for a lurker at some point on day 1 were remotely interested in voting for you, but for some completely mysterious (you're mafia) reason, I can never seem to get any tangible momentum going.

Unsure what about my question was suspicious. I just wanted to hear some thoughts from Chaqa while he was here.

It's a layup question that isn't going to get you any information. What did you expect him to say? Here's a few options to help you out:

"I'm scared as fuck, honestly, because I'm scum and my team can't afford to lose me yet"
"I'm literally in tears. Bo scares me. He's only 5'11" but he's 220 pounds of pure steak and pork chops and he could fuck me up"
"My heart will break into a thousand pieces if even one more person scumreads me"

[Control V]

Do you actually have evidence compiled against Dream or were you just trying to talk about yourself?

What does it look like to you.

[Kakarroto]

##VOTE RED

Doing this 20 minutes later makes it weirder

well he voted 'Paste' before that, so either he tries to see what sticks, or that's a mafia tactic to untangle any connections. If latter, I think that one of those is his partner, or maybe even multiple.

Could be unsure town too though, so better to put a pin in here for later, just in case

[DreamTrawler]

##VOTE RED

Doing this 20 minutes later makes it weirder

Will's votes have been weird all game, I still find the last minute Bunny vote on D1 suspicious. And then he immediately goes back to townreading Bunny.

[bo_sox48]

hmm ... seems like the probability that there is one mafia between mimi and bozo is higher with this. Well they can't be both mafia, that we know at least, or someone absolutely lied about the sweet potato, and is currently silent, just wanting to wait who reacts in which way.

Then again, if both are town, the ghug hit would make sense too, since I doubt that mafia thought that he would get the potato over others tha tlooked more town. Well at least from my perspective looked it like ghug didn't ooze town here. Right?

I don't scumread either of them, which is why I put the mafia is dumb option first. I also scumread Chaqa, who clearly does not know the mechanics here, and if he were paired with some combination of newbies and other lazy folks (can I suspect the subs simply because they're subs?) I could see night 1 having been a little bit of a shitshow. But I don't know that for sure!

If that is not the case, it is a virtual guarantee that one of mimi or bozo, but not both, is mafia.

[DreamTrawler]

This is a really funny question from Dream and if Chaqa flips scum I will be taking a hard look at Dream next.

Chaqa, you don't usually play to the literal minimum requirements, and while I cannot even begin to understand what having an infant at home requires I don't believe for a second that your increased activity is due to anything other than me pushing for your demise. Claiming that you are completely unbothered by it seems rather disingenuous when one can look at your activity before and after I openly stated I was coming after you for making exactly 5 posts and exactly 1 unjustified vote on the first day of the game.

It would be much easier for me to believe that you're town if the people who are voting the one formerly known as worcej or Red or those who voted for a lurker at some point on day 1 were remotely interested in voting for you, but for some completely mysterious (you're mafia) reason, I can never seem to get any tangible momentum going.

Unsure what about my question was suspicious. I just wanted to hear some thoughts from Chaqa while he was here.

It's a layup question that isn't going to get you any information. What did you expect him to say? Here's a few options to help you out:

"I'm scared as fuck, honestly, because I'm scum and my team can't afford to lose me yet"
"I'm literally in tears. Bo scares me. He's only 5'11" but he's 220 pounds of pure steak and pork chops and he could fuck me up"
"My heart will break into a thousand pieces if even one more person scumreads me"

I just wanted to hear his case for himself but if he doesn't care to make it then whatever

[Kakarroto]

On the whole I’ve gotten a pretty fair town vibe from bozo and mimi alike, but this got me thinking about how the mafia team could intelligently, with full knowledge of the potato mechanics, could believe they can afford to fearkill ghug. I came up with four options:

a) the scumteam is comprised of some combination of people who aren’t thinking hard enough to realize that the only person that wasn’t potentially being saved was mimi, because mimi had the sweet potato and passed it to bozo.

b) the scumteam is made up of a group of people that decided they don’t care about the sweet potato.

c) mimi is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was going and knew how to avoid it.

d) bozo is scum, so the mafia team knew where the sweet potato was and knew it was out of commission.

I could easily believe option a), especially in a game where more experienced folks like worcej or Chaqa just as two off the cuff examples haven’t really put in any effort but have the background here to fearkill and the experience to take the lead in those conversations. I don’t buy b) at all because it’s just stupid. The last two options also make some sense in a vacuum and, in either case, would explain why the scumteam felt comfortable fearkilling one of the more obvious targets in a game without PRs. Knowing where the sweet potato landed is a wealth of knowledge for one night.

hmm ... seems like the probability that there is one mafia between mimi and bozo is higher with this. Well they can't be both mafia, that we know at least, or someone absolutely lied about the sweet potato, and is currently silent, just wanting to wait who reacts in which way.

Then again, if both are town, the ghug hit would make sense too, since I doubt that mafia thought that he would get the potato over others tha tlooked more town. Well at least from my perspective looked it like ghug didn't ooze town here. Right?

it is also reasonably guessable that i would pass it to one of damo or bozo. the question is then whether scum having figured that out would want to take that risk n1

good point, mafia would probably try to guess the target, and if they don't want to hit the sweet potato early, then avoid it

[bo_sox48]

Dan Quayle, George HW Bush's vice president. Famous for many gaffes, including correcting a child's spelling of "potato" to "potatoe."

iirc dan quayle is the lowest rank in civ iv's post-game scoring system

another civ player? should we get a multiplayer game going?

if so, which version? (I don't own 7 and will not for a long time)

5 is goated

[bo_sox48]

Why Yav of all those people?

This is the third time rdrivera has shown up, voted someone with minimal explanation, and then dipped. Feels sus.

##vote rdrivera2005

don't think it'S RD. That behaviour is pretty normal for him, so that's very NAI

Rdrivera and Control are the two that aren't town (ND was the third) who lazily piled on Dream in the middle of day 1 with nothing to go off of to park their votes. Is that NAI?

[bo_sox48]

i was thinking abt the game earlier and it came to mind that surrounding the ghug NK if it wasn't a fear kill there was someone i thought might be scum but i forgot who it was, and i also thought that there was someone based on d2 play who i thought might be town and again i forgot, then i checked and they're both damo :p

can't fully explain rn both reads but i will when i get a chance

generally though i think one of the people pushing the narrative of ghug being a fear kill could be scum, esp damo since he was under a bit of fire from ghug during the night

to explain my town read part i feel like damo as scum seemed to be setting up a few pushes n1 so the fact that he hasn't really followed through with anything inclines me to think him as town. he's also almost never paired with bozo since bozo has been very blatant of grouping them as a unit (for example #564) which feels more like pocketing scum or pocketed town than theater, but still most likely t/t imo

Who was he setting up n1?

[Kakarroto]

iirc dan quayle is the lowest rank in civ iv's post-game scoring system

another civ player? should we get a multiplayer game going?

if so, which version? (I don't own 7 and will not for a long time)

5 is goated

of course, 5 has Austria in it

[bo_sox48]

Do you actually have evidence compiled against Dream or were you just trying to talk about yourself?

What does it look like to you.

Uh... the latter!