M1035 - Julius Caesar Mafia - Game Thread

[ghug]

Y'all should talk more while I'm still alive.

I've some time now.

I also do have a question that I want you to answer as soon as possible: information from outgame, how far is it fine to not consider it for in the game?

It's impossible to truly not consider it once you have it. I think the obligation is to not talk about it if it shouldn't be talked about and ask for a sub if it's truly game-breaking.

[Kakarroto]

well it just enforces a belief in me so I'll leave it like that and shall speak no further of it.

But yeah, changing subjects, ghug, you've played previous games with me and Bunny. I'm pretty sure you remember some of it, like the pirate game of Chaqa. I think it was m80? Where I was town, Bunny mafia, and Bunny did sling a lot of shade towards me. You also were very sus of me in that game.

I'm pretty sure there are some parallels in this game too, even when Bunny didn't have Jamie as his partner. So, from your memory, do you agree with me that there is at least some things going the same way?

[Kakarroto]

hmm, seems like you don't want to talk about that.

What are your thoughts on the posts on page 5 and 6? Now that we know Bunny was, indeed, mafia?

[DreamTrawler]

hmm, seems like you don't want to talk about that.

What are your thoughts on the posts on page 5 and 6? Now that we know Bunny was, indeed, mafia?

Which part are you referring to?

[Kakarroto]

Other question: now that Bunny confirmed mafia, what are your thoughts on the Night One NK target? Dip did that code thing like other times, when he wasn't PR. Why would anyone want to nk him over you, Jamie or damo at that time? Even when he turned out to be PR, he WAS the highest wagon for a time.

[Kakarroto]

hmm, seems like you don't want to talk about that.

What are your thoughts on the posts on page 5 and 6? Now that we know Bunny was, indeed, mafia?

Which part are you referring to?

the ones that include the living players, plus the Bunny-mafia

[Kakarroto]

can someone else ask ghug some questions? Seems he doesn't really like talking to me.

[ghug]

Other question: now that Bunny confirmed mafia, what are your thoughts on the Night One NK target? Dip did that code thing like other times, when he wasn't PR. Why would anyone want to nk him over you, Jamie or damo at that time? Even when he turned out to be PR, he WAS the highest wagon for a time.

Dip told me Bunny was his top scumread. I imagine he'd also expressed it in the thread. But the code stuff was very over the top, and I think it's pretty clear you and Bunny both had it on your minds, so I'm not sure why that would look good for you.

[ghug]

can someone else ask ghug some questions? Seems he doesn't really like talking to me.

You disappear for 18 hours but when I disappear for one, I'm the problem?

[ghug]

What's your take on Dream vs. Will at this point, Kak?

[Kakarroto]

Other question: now that Bunny confirmed mafia, what are your thoughts on the Night One NK target? Dip did that code thing like other times, when he wasn't PR. Why would anyone want to nk him over you, Jamie or damo at that time? Even when he turned out to be PR, he WAS the highest wagon for a time.

Dip told me Bunny was his top scumread. I imagine he'd also expressed it in the thread. But the code stuff was very over the top, and I think it's pretty clear you and Bunny both had it on your minds, so I'm not sure why that would look good for you.

well, for me, he did that as usual, thought that made him not a PR. Maybe he wanted to double bluff here, but before the flip I didn't really think he would be one.

My thought process was, to a higher percentage, that if he DID hide a code, that was why he DID get the nk night one, and mafia had deciphered it already, and that his partner was included in that code. Like, as a possible confirmation, that can be revealed even if one of the masons get nk'ed.

It's just like, he did his usual thing, and was pretty normal. Will did put him as lock-town, that was the most I noticed there. I just didn't want to lose the other mason without having at least one day of confirmed-town benefit. I was afraid that we could easily lose mason number two on night two with that.

I'm just thinking, who would've nk'ed dip there, if there was no code and/or it wasn't deciphered.

[Kakarroto]

can someone else ask ghug some questions? Seems he doesn't really like talking to me.

You disappear for 18 hours but when I disappear for one, I'm the problem?

no, definitely not, I just got the feeling like you didn't want to engage with me anymore, after you did react previously. Sorry about that

[Kakarroto]

What's your take on Dream vs. Will at this point, Kak?

Dream is looking better than Will. While Dream is questioning stuff, has some reasonable takes, Will is, or at least was, easy to dish out townreads, from which he went back off.

From the exchanges with Bunny, Dream had some where it looks to me they aren't paired with each other, the ones I noticed yesterday. I haven't really seen exchanges from Will with Bunny I get the same feeling. I mean there are some early exchanges from Bunny with Dream, that make me a bit sus. But then I read Will and Bunny, and those doubts go away, mostly.

I do have to say, in total isolation, Will comes across as townish, but I just know that one of them has to be mafia, and it looks very much to me, as if that isn't Dream.

There are also some other things that irk me about Will, but that could be NAI, so I'm trying them not influencing me there.

[Kakarroto]

If the mason claims now, we'll just lose them tonight and not be any better off tomorrow. They can claim if on the block and hide otherwise so that scum will more likely use their NK on a VT early.

This logic is akin to asking all the PRs to claim D1 to make it easier.

I agree, but when exactly is a good time for the Mason to claim?

Also - why do we think the Mafia targeted D&W? It seems unlikely that they already guessed who the Masons were.

He was doing a bunch of weirdly overt "I'm hiding codes in my posts" stuff. It seems at least plausible they thought that was legit.

Beyond that, though, there's not a whole lot of use in trying to theorize what the Mafia were doing with the nightkills, especially early. It's too easy for them to double bluff or the town to just come to the wrong conclusions. Some people will disagree with me, I'm sure, but those people are wrong.

just came across this post. You think it was still the same, or did you change your opinion on that?

[ghug]

Other question: now that Bunny confirmed mafia, what are your thoughts on the Night One NK target? Dip did that code thing like other times, when he wasn't PR. Why would anyone want to nk him over you, Jamie or damo at that time? Even when he turned out to be PR, he WAS the highest wagon for a time.

Dip told me Bunny was his top scumread. I imagine he'd also expressed it in the thread. But the code stuff was very over the top, and I think it's pretty clear you and Bunny both had it on your minds, so I'm not sure why that would look good for you.

well, for me, he did that as usual, thought that made him not a PR. Maybe he wanted to double bluff here, but before the flip I didn't really think he would be one.

My thought process was, to a higher percentage, that if he DID hide a code, that was why he DID get the nk night one, and mafia had deciphered it already, and that his partner was included in that code. Like, as a possible confirmation, that can be revealed even if one of the masons get nk'ed.

It's just like, he did his usual thing, and was pretty normal. Will did put him as lock-town, that was the most I noticed there. I just didn't want to lose the other mason without having at least one day of confirmed-town benefit. I was afraid that we could easily lose mason number two on night two with that.

I'm just thinking, who would've nk'ed dip there, if there was no code and/or it wasn't deciphered.

I'm not following the bolded bit.

[ghug]

I agree, but when exactly is a good time for the Mason to claim?

Also - why do we think the Mafia targeted D&W? It seems unlikely that they already guessed who the Masons were.

He was doing a bunch of weirdly overt "I'm hiding codes in my posts" stuff. It seems at least plausible they thought that was legit.

Beyond that, though, there's not a whole lot of use in trying to theorize what the Mafia were doing with the nightkills, especially early. It's too easy for them to double bluff or the town to just come to the wrong conclusions. Some people will disagree with me, I'm sure, but those people are wrong.

just came across this post. You think it was still the same, or did you change your opinion on that?

Hasn't really evolved, no.

[Kakarroto]

Dip told me Bunny was his top scumread. I imagine he'd also expressed it in the thread. But the code stuff was very over the top, and I think it's pretty clear you and Bunny both had it on your minds, so I'm not sure why that would look good for you.

well, for me, he did that as usual, thought that made him not a PR. Maybe he wanted to double bluff here, but before the flip I didn't really think he would be one.

My thought process was, to a higher percentage, that if he DID hide a code, that was why he DID get the nk night one, and mafia had deciphered it already, and that his partner was included in that code. Like, as a possible confirmation, that can be revealed even if one of the masons get nk'ed.

It's just like, he did his usual thing, and was pretty normal. Will did put him as lock-town, that was the most I noticed there. I just didn't want to lose the other mason without having at least one day of confirmed-town benefit. I was afraid that we could easily lose mason number two on night two with that.

I'm just thinking, who would've nk'ed dip there, if there was no code and/or it wasn't deciphered.

I'm not following the bolded bit.

if dip had put a hint who his partner is (because why else would he give out a code in the night) and mafia had deciphered the code, they would've known his partner. So if the mason doesn't claim on day two, it might be he get nk'ed night two without having a 'clear' status which we can use

[ghug]

well, for me, he did that as usual, thought that made him not a PR. Maybe he wanted to double bluff here, but before the flip I didn't really think he would be one.

My thought process was, to a higher percentage, that if he DID hide a code, that was why he DID get the nk night one, and mafia had deciphered it already, and that his partner was included in that code. Like, as a possible confirmation, that can be revealed even if one of the masons get nk'ed.

It's just like, he did his usual thing, and was pretty normal. Will did put him as lock-town, that was the most I noticed there. I just didn't want to lose the other mason without having at least one day of confirmed-town benefit. I was afraid that we could easily lose mason number two on night two with that.

I'm just thinking, who would've nk'ed dip there, if there was no code and/or it wasn't deciphered.

I'm not following the bolded bit.

if dip had put a hint who his partner is (because why else would he give out a code in the night) and mafia had deciphered the code, they would've known his partner. So if the mason doesn't claim on day two, it might be he get nk'ed night two without having a 'clear' status which we can use

I'm still not following what that has to do with the rest of what you're saying.

[Kakarroto]

I'm not following the bolded bit.

if dip had put a hint who his partner is (because why else would he give out a code in the night) and mafia had deciphered the code, they would've known his partner. So if the mason doesn't claim on day two, it might be he get nk'ed night two without having a 'clear' status which we can use

I'm still not following what that has to do with the rest of what you're saying.

that was why I thought it might be an option that the other mason should use the code (if it was used as a reference material with a key for claiming) and come out, to avoid losing them to the next nk without having the profit of a confirmed town.

maybe it was all a big coincidence, but I thought it was very likely at the time that mafia had solved the code and was about two swoop both masons away

[Kakarroto]

and if mafia hasn't solved the code, or there doesn't exist one, why was dip targeted? Like it's much more likely that he had just put some gibberish down, as I first presumed, and tried to act as a PR, as a VT or maybe even as mafia

and mafia buying up that he did use it as crumbs and forget that he does that normally and forgoing any jamie/ghug/damo nk's on day one is just extremely surprising to me.

I mean he had Bunny as his highest mafia read, maybe it was just that. But at the time we didn't know that