M1035 - Julius Caesar Mafia - Game Thread

[damo666]

I was never gonna vote Bunny Kak or Will.

Why not Will?

because of his Dip theory

[Jamiet99uk]

The most suspicious so far has been ##vote diplomacy for this post:

<snip>
##VOTE Dip

One kak is more than enough.

If one kak is more than enough, why not vote kak, who is already a wagon?

@BunnyGo: Why was the above post by D&W "the most suspicious post" of the first six pages of the game?

[Jamiet99uk]

I was never gonna vote Bunny Kak or Will.

Why not Will?

because of his Dip theory

Diphtheria can be a serious illness and sometimes fatal; I did not notice Will telling us that he was poorly.

[Jamiet99uk]

I was never gonna vote Bunny Kak or Will.

Why not Will?

because of his Dip theory

Being serious, you were voting for Dip, and Will's "theory" was that Dip was town.

But, you didn't credit Will with persuading you to move off Dip. Instead you said your Dip vote was a reaction test.

Hmmm.

[Jamiet99uk]

:roman tumbleweed:

[damo666]

:roman tumbleweed:

town

[Kakarroto]

Ichus habeus keinus guteus ideeus, werus wirklichus mafiaus isus.

I have to say, I'm don't have a good idea who mafia is. No one is obviously mafia-y, and I haven't played in a while, so that probably doesn't help in my assessment. Call me hedgy or undecisive, but that's how I see things.

I guess the best approach for me is to try to see who is town, and go from there, work with a pool who is less likely town.

From this train of thought, Dream looks pretty towny to me. New to the forum style, but not to the game itself, Dream surly has a chance to fool me here, but from what I've seen, we all should be safe here.

I wasn't a fan of damo when the game started, and contemplated to switch to damo if he didn't contribute after his self set time was up. But he did, and I liked the content of his readlist. I can see his train of thought there, and while I don't 100% agree with it, it has some overlap with my own thoughts and opinions. Lean town here. There are just two things that bother me; the first is a bit minor and I might be wrong about it. I think to remember, when damo posts a readlist on D1, his chances of mafia is going up. I am too lazy though to go through all the past games to check this and it might be a red herring, so I wish brain was in this game where I could ask him about that. The second one is a personal one; often when I read damo as town early, he turns out to be mafia. It's not everytime, but keep that in mind. Usually I get this cleared up later, though I hope the game is long enough for that.

In regards of Jamie, I've often read him town when he was mafia, but I think I haven't misread him for mafia when he was town, at least not much more than once or twice. I do not feel evil intent from him, as far as I can tell, no alarmbells. Ghug is sus of Jamie. Well ghug also thinks I'm indifferent, so I'm pretty sure ghug has a small bias due to previous games. I do think though, the best way to catch Jamie, if he is mafia that is, is via his partner. Don't fully trust Jamie and keep a look on him, but don't tunnel-focus on him, because when he is town it's not a fast way to get to know him and his defensiveness can send wrong signals. He's also skilled in mafia so there is not a high chance that he makes a mistake in getting pressured; so keep an eye on Jamie, find who could be his partner, and search for that. At least in my opinion, that's the way to go here. As damo said "could be anything" fits quite well for Jamie, I do like what I see from him, but don't fully trust him until you have a much better picture.

Speaking of ghug, I like that he is showing opinions. Of course, like Jamie and damo, he is a very experienced player and could fake that, I do like his style, looks quite towny to me. His 'indifferent' read of me I like and dislike at the same time; on one hand, I think I've been quite towny, so he saying I wasn't makes me feel bad (although I get it that my latin is very bad, sorry for that. Can't offer better than google translate though); on the other hand, I do know that ghug has some experiences that explains his suspicions of me, and not giving me a blank cheque and questioning me is a good sign. So I'm leaning town for his slot too.

Now then, I liked what Bunny did post. Maybe I'm too fluff-loving, but it's nice to see people contributing to the flavour. A bit miffed he didn't use people's flavour himself (especially when dip and me posted in the sign up who we were trying to emulate) but that's another story. On reread though, there's something I don't like; he was on D&W a long time, as he was his highest suspicion. D&W was lead wagon for a while, then ghug came and made a push for Bunny, then Jamie. Bunny and damo followed (both voting D&W), the D&W wagon evaporates, and Jamie is the new leading wagon. Damo leaves to Red after Jamie says he's town, Bunny stays. Damo changes to Jamie again 13 minutes before EoD, Jamie votes damo after his hardclaim, damo votes Red again. Dream votes for Jamie. Then Bunny votes for Red. Bunny revotes Jamie after his comment that he didn't like how Red's wagon took off. Stays there until the end. I'm not too sure what to think of that, maybe it was just the heat of EoD and a big push against voting D&W from others before, but he never went back to his highest suspicion, even when D&W was the leading wagon previously. Looking at it again, I like Jamie more (which ghug also said), and if D&W ever flips mafia, Bunny, damo and Will have chances to be his partner. After the flip, Bunny posts that he dislikes how we misvote Red for lurking (again) - would've been nice to get that information earlier, before the flip. So, Bunny feels slightly worse than I had in memory, I thought he was more involved. A lot of his early posts are fluff and explaining things to our new player. Which the last one is mostly NAI with a slight chance of coaching. Hmm.

Then there is Will, who is adamant that D&W is town, and was also sure Red was town, preflip. He had his vote on ghug at the end. Will had a townlean on dip from the start, then after some pages questions my sus on Red and says he wont vote for Dream (until much later at least)(though he dials that back after he was reminded of the length of the game). He then proclaims that Jamie is town on page 7. Declines a ghug pocket and votes for him. Questions dip on a pairing suggestion between Bunny and me. Asks ghug why voting Bunny, then says he's gonna reread Bunny, then says Bunny is a bit pockety but other than that unsure. Wants to see more of Bunny before he solidify his read. Which is kinda strange. He was quite quick for some other reads, but Bunny is a problem for him? After a page 7 town Jamie? This I don't like. He also puts Bunny lower on his read list, but not low enough. Will-Bunny pair seems quite reasonable from that perspective. Although Bunny questions Will's dip read after the readlist. A try at distancing or true surprise? Hmm. Near EoD he tries to flashwagon ghug, saying that Red is not the mafia, which turns out to be true. Hrmm. Will either has more info, or is very confident in his reads (except Bunny). Very interested what he has to say.

Last, but not least, Dip&War; poetry fluff, scrambled text (which we will not go into further here), self proclaimed lurking, with a pinch of irony. This is how our Cinnaman in the early stages posts. After coming back, he votes Red, proclaims Jamie is town, questions Bunny redirecting sus on me to himself. Is very sus of Bunny from there. Then posts the 'lurker list' which he was questioned later but hasn't answered yet. @dip you really should answer my questions from there (it's on page 10, post 191) - and yes, all three questions please. After that he comes back only just before EoD, missing his wagon evaporating. Was maf-dip saved by his partner? Was the pressure on him resolved organically or faded due to him missing? Hard to say, but afterwards, he goes on to sus Bunny, hard. Slight chances they are paired and bussing themselves, especially noticable after Bunny didn't go back on his dip vote after he went away from Red.


Looking back, damo calling out Will and dip as a pair has a decent chance to be true. But Will defending his partner that openly isn't very mafia-like, too, so I would refrain from the easy solution. If anything, Will is more likely to be paired with Bunny at this point, I think. Dip and Bunny also have a chance as maf-pair. Maybe resolving dip is the way to go? Or maybe Bunny instead? But I might be totally on the wrong track here too.

I think Dream and Jamie are the highest on town so far; Dream for his behaviour, and after rereading I noticed that Jamie got quite a few hard townreads in, which either indicates that both mafia players gave that to him, or there is a town sentiment of reading Jamie as town.

But lets see what the NK tells us.

[miminena]

Night has ended, please do not post

[miminena]

CLITUS
Fly, fly, my lord; there is no tarrying here.

MARCUS BRUTUS
Farewell to you;—and you;—and you, Volumnius.—
Strato, thou hast been all this while asleep;
Farewell to thee too, Strato.—Countrymen,
My heart doth joy, that yet, in all my life,
I found no man but he was true to me.
I shall have glory by this losing day,
More than Octavius and Mark Antony
By this vile conquest shall attain unto.
So, fare you well at once; for Brutus' tongue
Hath almost ended his life's history:
Night hangs up on mine eyes; my bones would rest,
That have but labour'd to attain this hour.

CLITUS
Fly, my lord, fly.

MARCUS BRUTUS
Hence! I will follow
[Exeunt CLITUS, DARDANIUS, and VOLUMNIUS
I prithee Strato, stay thou by thy lord:
Thou art a fellow of a good respect;
Thy life hath had some smatch of honour in it:
Hold, then, my sword, and turn away thy face,
While I do run up on it. Wilt thou, Strato?

STRATO
Give me your hand first: fare you well, my lord.

MARCUS BRUTUS
Farewell, good Strato.—Caesar, now be still:
I kill'd not thee with half so good a will.

DiplomacyandWarfare has DIED. He was Marcus Brutus, the Town Mason

Day has started, you may now post

[Kakarroto]

Hmmm. Did dip hide something in his text? If so mafia might've cracked that code. Though I thought he did it because he wasn't mason and he did just post some gibberish.

Well then, would it be good if the other mason hides? Like mafia would probably know, or at least have a pretty good guess, who the other mason is?

[Kakarroto]

Well, I'm gonna have a look at it.

For now, in honour of our beloved Brutus Cinna, ##vote BunnyGo

[ghug]

Kinda dumb to be that over the top with weird code BS if you're actually a PR, I gotta say.

I don't think we should be analyzing any if it yet lest we reveal his friend

[Kakarroto]

you think the mafia will stop trying to analyse it?

I mean it might be a good idea to not post your findings, but if the mafia has already deciphered it, or are working on it, they already know or are about to find out, no?

[damo666]

you think the mafia will stop trying to analyse it?

I mean it might be a good idea to not post your findings, but if the mafia has already deciphered it, or are working on it, they already know or are about to find out, no?

It can't be meant for the fellow mason as they had night chat anyway. Presumably it is meant for town vts. But the only info he would have is the other mason. If the message is decoded we have a townclear at least for a day. If the message is not decoded (or revealed if decoded) it is worthless anyway. I guess the best value is if the other mason survives to f3 and the other town susses it. Yes OK best not discussed further.

BTW I can neither confirm nor deny that I am the other mason.

[damo666]

I think we should concentrate our voting on those that voted Dip at some stage - they are: Bunny, me, Dream, ghug.

I was townreading Bunny yesterday because I thought he'd dropped a mason hint. However I doubt he'd open with a vote of his fellow mason (although that would be a kinda nice sneaky trick).

So ##vote Bunny

[ghug]

I think we should concentrate our voting on those that voted Dip at some stage - they are: Bunny, me, Dream, ghug.

I was townreading Bunny yesterday because I thought he'd dropped a mason hint. However I doubt he'd open with a vote of his fellow mason (although that would be a kinda nice sneaky trick).

So ##vote Bunny

Beyond the fact that it's entirely possibly a mason would vote for their teammate early in the phase to distance, even taking your conclusion at face value shouldn't lead to limiting voting to that pool. It's entirely possible the Mafia simply didn't vote for Dip.

##VOTE damo

[BunnyGo]

Sorry, I got fairly violently ill last night. Will do a catch-up later. Might not be till tomorrow if I can get to sleep.

[damo666]

I think we should concentrate our voting on those that voted Dip at some stage - they are: Bunny, me, Dream, ghug.

I was townreading Bunny yesterday because I thought he'd dropped a mason hint. However I doubt he'd open with a vote of his fellow mason (although that would be a kinda nice sneaky trick).

So ##vote Bunny

Beyond the fact that it's entirely possibly a mason would vote for their teammate early in the phase to distance, even taking your conclusion at face value shouldn't lead to limiting voting to that pool. It's entirely possible the Mafia simply didn't vote for Dip.

##VOTE damo

and he votes within the pool lol

[damo666]

Sorry, I got fairly violently ill last night. Will do a catch-up later. Might not be till tomorrow if I can get to sleep.

Get better soon.

[ghug]

I think we should concentrate our voting on those that voted Dip at some stage - they are: Bunny, me, Dream, ghug.

I was townreading Bunny yesterday because I thought he'd dropped a mason hint. However I doubt he'd open with a vote of his fellow mason (although that would be a kinda nice sneaky trick).

So ##vote Bunny

Beyond the fact that it's entirely possibly a mason would vote for their teammate early in the phase to distance, even taking your conclusion at face value shouldn't lead to limiting voting to that pool. It's entirely possible the Mafia simply didn't vote for Dip.

##VOTE damo

and he votes within the pool lol

The irony is not lost on me.