MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Town tells:
-Voted for dip as a tie breaker (yes I did, look at the thread, bozo is wrong, bunnys jump)
- I pushed HARD for a resolution to a tie on that day it tied, even trying to give up my ghug tunnel for demon at the end because I knew it was better for town to get info
- I was extremely happy to go along with vecna's proposal, something scum would never do
- I did push BB several times, although I did defend him a bit too.
- I strongly opposed several townies being killed (mimi, will, demon)
- I have been on bozo for a while and my read was genuine before process of elimination made it easy
- I've been open and honest the whole game, even to the point of being an idiot and misreading things several times, I am not worried about it because I have nothing to hide
- I COULD be pushing you right now, food seemed to want it, but its obvious it isnt you or you're a psychopath as final scum. I want to win and I am town, so I'm not.
- Everyone who has died has town read me, if I was night killing people, you and bozo wouldn't be alive because why would I take people to the end game who will maybe kill me when there were many other others that were just as good to take to the finals and didn't think I could be scum.
- Idk dude, my social vibe was good enough to get town read by everyone in the game besides you and scum, look at the company youre in, even if you can't see it, literally everyone else can

Responses in order:

• You voted for Dip with 3 minutes left in the phase, putting him in the lead by 3 votes. Brain was already "stuck" on Dip, so this is just another example of bussing for benefit to me. I don't town you for this.
• Pushing to ensure that there is no tie is really NAI, as town wants information and as scum you'd like the kill to result in a town player. Both players in contention (ghug and RHK) are now confirmed town, so both sides didn't benefit from this situation (other than the RHK claim helped scum). Thus, I don't town you for this.
• So, goes with my tinfoil hat theory, but I'm fairly sure BB was the PR and by agreeing with the plan, you were creating distance. I understand that this is my play, but it is backed up by the ND kill versus the RB/Kill on Food, who was an outted PR. Definitely no town points for you here.
• When did you push brain? Other than voting him on D3, I don't see any actual "pushes"... You went into defense mode with him D4 and then came after me for going for will and brain... I seriously scum you for this.
• Opposing townies being killed doesn't earn you town points... if your only ability is to be a "monday-morning QB" player, then maybe it could? But really, you've been not really pushing anything and just reactionary/responsive... and I think you're more capable than that.
• Interesting cross-posting - you've been on bozo for awhile, which should get you town points. But... I'm bad for being "stuck on you"? Somewhat interesting that you've spent a lot of this phase being surprised I'm scumming you over bozo when I spent so much time saying "It's BB/Bozo" with ND. Wouldn't that be more inline with me adapting my opinion based off what is happening in the game? This is pretty inconsistent logic/reasoning by you that you seem to twist for your gain but punish me for doing similar...
• Yeah, the open, honest, "too stupid to be scum" play has gotten people scum wins several times. IDGAF about you being honest, especially when you're not really pushing anything to begin with and more commentating on situations after the fact versus initiating something.
• I think if you just went and pushed me, you'd get killed easier. Go ahead and try to scum me - explain why I am scum and actually case what I've been doing with facts and my posts along with what Dip and BB did with me. Go on, do it - it'll be the most effort you've actually initiated this game.
• Let me say this for you and the ghosts that townread you...
  

  THE DEAD CAN BE WRONG. REVIEW THEIR OPINIONS BUT UNDERSTAND THAT JUST BECAUSE THEY TOWN SOMEONE DOESN'T MEAN THEY ARE MORE RIGHT THAN THE PEOPLE THAT ARE ALIVE.

• Yes, your vibes have gotten you townread. But you should've been killed for that while ago if you were town since you were so townread. Honestly, I would've killed you over ND since ND had some serious scum~vibes from everyone but me.

In order

• I broke the tie that existed 30secs before I made that post, here is proof, look at the times, it was 5-5, bunny voted the minute before I did

• Ridiculous, mafia benefits most from ties, shutting up was an option, i would have taken that as scum

• Sure whatever, you read everything from BB but no matter what i do in reference to him im scum, when i vote him im bussing when i dont im protecting

• I shifted on BB after his meltdown, went along with vecna like you. The vecna thing was somewhat rare in thread, scumming BB after he melted was not, I admit that, I showed up to thread hours after it happened

• It really does matter when you consider the mafia chose their kills intelligently that you dont kill people town reading you when you can help it. This is basic logic

• I mean have you been on me for a while? it seems to have been hidden by what you say, I am in a position where I know you and food are town, basically 100% at this point. Your situation is different to mine, but you're not listening to everything me and food are saying.

• I am not stupid, i just dont read roles when there are a lot and most arent in the game. People read me as town for that because they were 3p/mafia roles that would have been discussed in mafia qt likely. I get it, but it isn't that great of a claim to fame but everyone else agrees I didn't fake it, and their reads were right.

• you're not scum, I've said it many times. There is a remote possibility youre absolutely crazy and do this as final mafia for thrills, thats the only way youre scum.

• If everyone who was town thought I was town, isn't that kind of crazy if i'm scum? Like occam's razor, more likely that you're right or everyone else is wrong?

• I think bozo/brain saw this play as their best option and planned for it for a while. They probably know you're like this, i definitely did not. ND would have been taken to the end if I were scum, he town read me and was an easy miskill. Makes no sense for me to kill.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I think if you want one point that really can't be refuted, its this, even if I've said it before:
Assuming I am scum, ND was a kill i chose, over food and worecj and bozo, despite the fact that he was, out of all of you, the most pro me being town and the most anti bozo person in game outside of me. Food at the time was scum reading me still, I believe. Why in gods name would I kill ND of those choices? Yeah maybe I didnt realize worecj was scumming me, but tbh if I was scum I would have read the thread closer and realized it. As town, i had my reads and thats all that mattered to me, I assumed I was town to everyone because it seemed that way and I didnt read further into it because I thought it was a given, i am town. However, I fail to understand why I would chose to take the most unfavorable set of people into the final day possible. It makes total sense for bozo. ND and I both had an in for bozo, ND was very widely town read after trolling BB, I think I was probably not killed because they thought ND was a bigger threat at the end for his solving potential (I am not sure he is great end game, but I've heard people say he is, and people dont respect my solving ability), and bozo needed to kill one of us because we would have killed him at the end for sure. I think he went for food last night because going for me or worecj at that point would narrow the miskill potential to one person since food is clear. It makes perfect sense for bozo to be mafia based on the kills that have occured objectively, for me it would require I made obviously bad plays which i'd have no reason to want. And I would have total control over the choice. This is the only reason you should need, but i gave many other weaker ones. Goodnight

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Just didn't wanna watch ND gloat lol

When ND flipped, I thought it was because BB was tilted and didn't wanna deal with him talking crap and that we already won due to him melting down so he was just being spiteful. But I think this is the BB trick shot you're looking for. He killed ND making it look like it was all tilt when he was actually setting bozo up by killing one of his scum readers and one of my town readers. He even +1'ed this post (its here looking at it now). He just wanted us to think it was rage and we'd won, but it was really protecting bozo and we didn't see it. I didn't see it until just now and only focused on it because I know bozo is scum.

Goodnight for real hopefully

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I take my stance back, I am not killing worecj ever. I am not moving off my end vote for bozo. Worecj is not scum, I will die a towny voting proven scum or win a towny who didn't waiver. If I lose, I did my duty.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Goodnight

for reals this time...

hehe

goodnight tho

[bozotheclown]

It is obvious to me that SpiritoftheRadio is mafia, worcej came into D8 scum reading me, there is no reason he would not just go along with DKing me if he were mafia. I wasn't suspecting SpiritoftheRadio much until D6, though, so he did a good job looking like town. As I said previously, the one thing that made me suspicious was how kept saying he was obviously town, because that is something town players do not typically say about themselves.

As for the things foodcoats pointed out, it was mostly interactions with DiplomacyandWarfare and brainbomb. I did not see any reason to suspect DiplomacyandWarfare more than anyone else while he was in the game, and brainbomb seemed generally like he does as town and I did not think he was the most likely DiplomacyandWarfare busser.

I will be checking in leading up to EOD to see if there are any questions for me.

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 8.3

bozotheclown (2) - SpiritoftheRadio*, foodcoats
SpiritoftheRadio (2) - worcej, bozotheclown

It's still tied.

11.6 hours remain in Day Eight.

[foodcoats]

Dip put a shit ton of effort in to town you early on D2. Why would he do that?

He then later tried to get you and everyone towned you because he tried to wagon you when he was desperate, completely forgetting that bussing is possible.

This isn’t totally true, he argued spirit was 3P, and I can’t decide what I think of that.

[foodcoats]

i really dont see how you can see bozo as town, hasn't raised a good point the whole day, not like town bozo at all. I am here doing everything I can, most of the time he is just clenching his sphincter and hoping you both turn against me and poking me with weird stuff occasionally because he doesnt have a real town position to stand on himself.

I am with bozo that your posts, like these, are very on-tone with your M1029 game:

The brainbomb pressure machine now turns to me. Idk man, my read is brain is mafia, it was painfully obvious since his first post today and now is stuck mentioning non sequitur Olympics posts since he needs to cover up a pretty bad prenegotiated code system. His analysis is also criticizing me for read changes I made days ago and also for not changing my reads on people like bona. I had paragraphs on paragraphs saying why and, if you look, when my reads changed. He made a point not to quite those because they were too long, but the narrative looks better without my words (he has been quoting lengthy posts all along so far). Really doesn't seem like a guy making honest arguments, seems like someone trying to paint a picture.

I thought about brain being turned today because previously he seemed very town to me, but then if that code was a prenegotiated code in the mafia chat, he could not have been turned today since he'd need to talk about it before hand. So he had to be mafia before then since recruits happen at EoN and he couldn't talk to mafia about it before today. I feel there is a strong chance BB may be an OG spy or he was turned N1. If that's true, most of my previous analysis is not really possible since Colby x bozo couldn't be a thing if BB was mafia before today. This makes brainbomb one of the best choices for killin imo.

Let's just rip the bandaid off and do the 180 town to scum ima vote for you right back at you brain, the end vote on me after bozo ends on me seems real scummy, especially considering how much you like to talk.

##vote brainbomb

I think the exact same logic applies to bozo unfortunately.

[foodcoats]

@food - I don’t see myself moving based on your dive.

If I am wrong, I’ll concede that BB was impressive as hell this game and bozo definitely went more rogue with his scum game than I expected.

If I am right, I will brag about the fact I did indeed catch the two scum this game that Spirit expected me to find lol

Fine

##VOTE spirit

##END

[foodcoats]

It’s a game so may as well not suffer any longer

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 8.4

SpiritoftheRadio (3) - worcej, bozotheclown, foodcoats*
bozotheclown (1) - SpiritoftheRadio*

SPIRIT is now scheduled to die.

[worcej]

I woke up and felt more bad about bozo and how little he has engaged with this phase. It is rubbing me incredibly wrongly and made me think he was the scum just coasting, but then when I looked back at the game I was remembering (M40), he was incredibly active and posting and arguing the entire time, so not doing what he is now…

Reading Spirit again and again continues to highlight that he has scummed only town players (in read posts) but consensus voted scum. I don’t feel like he’s really tried to find scum.

So, I think this is it. I’ve tried and put the effort in. I just don’t see a scum bozo here at all.

##end

Bozo - if you’re scum and you pulled this off, well done buddy.

[foodcoats]

##UNEND

One more note to add after I check something since no one rushed into hammer lol

[foodcoats]

Haha oh i wonder how that gets adjudicated

[worcej]

Haha oh i wonder how that gets adjudicated

gotta have majority, so it needs to be 3

[foodcoats]

Haha oh i wonder how that gets adjudicated

gotta have majority, so it needs to be 3

Wasn’t sure about timing since we both posted at 8:53 haha

[foodcoats]

##CALL GM

can a mafia PR use their PR ability and also use the factional RB or factional kill the same night?

[worcej]

##CALL GM

can a mafia PR use their PR ability and also use the factional RB or factional kill the same night?

My understanding from prior calls was no, they cannot.

[worcej]

But Jamie clarification would help.