MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[foodcoats]

seems like it's time for a readlist
---TOWN---
dip
ghug
brain
---will vote to save people ABOVE this line---
miminena
Vecna
bozo
---null line---
kotp
bunny
will
worcej
---I would be happy to see anyone BELOW this line be the kill today---
spirit
Demon
ND
---SCUM---

well, if nothing else, this readlist reminded me that spirit is in the game, and spirit has been lurking and contributing almost nothing, therefore

##VOTE SPIRITOFTHERADIO

I changed my mind… I don’t think Diplomacy puts both his teammates near the top. A negative correlation for bozo? I made this really confusing…

3-3 overall I think… and 1-1 this cycle

[worcej]

Pirates
Will
Mimi
ND
Bozo

Welcome to the crew bozo

Anyone else wanna join the fun boat?
Vecna? Ghug?

Brain adds bozo’s name to a town list of FOUR CONFIRMED town and then namedrops two more (non mafia).

Very bad correlation for bozo.

Bozo leads 3-2 overall
1-0 for this cycle

I’m going to continue but this is DAMNING in my opinion

I feel the same way…

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Y'all can keep going, but like, I dont really get what's supposed to come from this besides a reread of both of us. Even in the individual moments highlighted, you're conflicted on where to give the point. And many things are being ignored. Correlations between dip and BB are especially sus since they both are known to fuck around and say all sorts of things as players at a high volume AND they were both scum AND they both had periods where they were essentially outed scum or knew their death was very likely soon and are even more likely to give positive and negative real and false correlations just to confuse the issue.

I go off summative gut feelings more so than a bunch of individual Veneittes of + towny this or - towny that. The magnitude of each veneittes are not the same. BB said 100 towny things and 100 scummy things, but his meltdown is all I needed to take my mostly town read for most of the game and turn him into the top scum read. Idk, just food for thought, and something I'd be down to discuss more in the god thread after things resolve.

[foodcoats]

Demon is always hard to read. I did have some odd feelings there, but thats always the case for me, and he usually just ends up town somehow anyway.

yeah, my current theory has food as most scummy, and then bozo, ghug, demon at mostly the same level. All three there are usually difficult to read. BB is always also difficult for me, he's drifting away back to nullish. Idk, he always bounces around and its hard to tell if its genuine BB bouncing or he just trying to see what wagons he can get going. One thing we're losing in BB's push to be less annoying is the widow into his madness and the various cork boards of red thread that insulate his mind, which usually catches him as scum eventually.

I had to take a break and I’ve forgotten the score, but this really sounds like a town mulling things over.

[foodcoats]

Demon is always hard to read. I did have some odd feelings there, but thats always the case for me, and he usually just ends up town somehow anyway.

yeah, my current theory has food as most scummy, and then bozo, ghug, demon at mostly the same level. All three there are usually difficult to read. BB is always also difficult for me, he's drifting away back to nullish. Idk, he always bounces around and its hard to tell if its genuine BB bouncing or he just trying to see what wagons he can get going. One thing we're losing in BB's push to be less annoying is the widow into his madness and the various cork boards of red thread that insulate his mind, which usually catches him as scum eventually.

I had to take a break and I’ve forgotten the score, but this really sounds like a town mulling things over.

Bozo leads 3-2 overall, 1-0 this cycle

[foodcoats]

I'll stop a tie, ##vote dip

primarily because I dont like the people on will's wagon, not because dip is scum

Wasn’t anywhere near a tie. I would expect scum to be more aware of the votes on his buddy. Town point for spirit…

3-1 overall, 1 to -1 this cycle I believe

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I'll stop a tie, ##vote dip

primarily because I dont like the people on will's wagon, not because dip is scum

Wasn’t anywhere near a tie. I would expect scum to be more aware of the votes on his buddy. Town point for spirit…

3-1 overall, 1 to -1 this cycle I believe

dont wanna take away my town point, but we've been over this, bunny switched from will to dip and then I voted and then bunny ran off dip and onto me within one minute, it was tied when i typed that. Bunnies jump

[foodcoats]

##VOTE Just

I don't have any strong scum suspects, but Just has done some things I found suspicious. Besides what I have already pointed out, I don't understand why he would be town reading Red Neurax rather strongly D1. I looked at M1034, and it seems like Red Neurax won that game as mafia with a very similar low activity D1.

I’m not quoting this to give any points but… This is basically the only scum reading STATEMENT bozo makes D2. I think this is in line with his style but it makes it hard to deduce his alignment.

[bozotheclown]

Pirates
Will
Mimi
ND
Bozo

Welcome to the crew bozo

Anyone else wanna join the fun boat?
Vecna? Ghug?

Brain adds bozo’s name to a town list of FOUR CONFIRMED town and then namedrops two more (non mafia).

Very bad correlation for bozo.

Bozo leads 3-2 overall
1-0 for this cycle

brainbomb was trying to pocket me like everyone else on the list.

[foodcoats]

. Yeah Id be down to kill rhk tomorrow now that you mention it

my sus on ghug, demon, and bunny increased a little bit, they were in his scum reads and along with BB I believe I remember bunny and ghug both trying to keep damo alive as town since he usually has a stronger mid-to-late game. Rereading damo he was pushing lie detector statements pretty hard so maybe mafia thought he was that PR

Spirit, d2 you voted for ghug, food, bozo, ghug and dip. You mentioned a willingness n2 to vote drhk, and then im not seeing much of any mention of rhk at all? Did you run out of time to pursue him?

I think rhk is scummy, and that seems to be a pretty common sentiment, but no real moves were made on him. There was a wagon on foodcoats and I felt stronger about my reads on food and ghug, plus demon was voting food and I'll take a bussers help if I can get it. Would have done nothing if I'd done for him, he posts pretty seldomly and I think myself and others kind of forget about him.

Also if you all keep misreading my d1 vibes post and tell me I'm scum reading people who I called non posters after I've explained that 3 different times, I am just going to vote you out of spite. I never scum read red, I voted for him, as I said at the time, because he was a better kill than ND or dip or just, all of whom I thought were town D1. I was trying to kill foodcoats, as i recall.

I feel like spirit very naturally progressed from being buddies with brain to getting annoyed and threatening to vote him from spite. Town point.

[bozotheclown]

I still don’t see what you’re seeing. I understand your statement of fact. But I disagree that’s the facts.

This is a smattering of the examples I remembered where it felt like he was hounding people

Brain spent effort defending bozo that stands out.

At this point, dip wagon was at 5 and bozo had two votes, 3 hours left D2.

Bozo up 4-2 overall
2-0 this cycle

This was strange now knowing brainbomb was mafia, I am not sure what he was trying to accomplish other than pocketing.

[foodcoats]

I was writing a top 3 and bottom 3 for RHK but then I realized I shouldnt be telegraphing to people for no reason

Have I been gone so long a read list is scummy?

when we're at a 3, almost 4-way tie and people need to make moves, I'd rather everyone do it on their own accord than follow what I am going to to. Reads list arent scummy, but I think giving my thoughts on the wagons away right now specifically can only help scum.

This whole interaction made me think spirit was super scummy. And in retrospect it is more suspicious because brain was a viable wagon that day. Scum point.

I also read through Bozo’s iso… it again is solvy but hard to understand what he believes because he just discusses possibilities… and from there I’m not sure how to sort him. But he looked townier D3 than D2

[foodcoats]

Alright not sure I can really get much further here.

I can see a version of events where Spirit is scum and bozo is town. But there’s been a few “towntells” from Spirit and other players like ghug and Vecna were suspicious of bozo. Yadda yadda yadda. I think it’s 60/40.

[foodcoats]

its probably a dub if we kill vecna then bb then bozo, but also we kind of owe the win to vecna tho. that bb meltdown would not have happened without him. Wanna say that for the record

[foodcoats]

Damn honestly both spirit and bozo react pretty well to brains meltdown…

They each do it in their own way…

I guess I’m potentially being fooled by what seems like spontaneity in spirit whereas bozo can come off more calculated but i realize both can be scum

[foodcoats]

Vecna and ghug are pretty good at mafia though

So if I’m wrong about bozo it’s actually their fault

[foodcoats]

If I’m right it’s all me though

[worcej]

Damn honestly both spirit and bozo react pretty well to brains meltdown…

They each do it in their own way…

I guess I’m potentially being fooled by what seems like spontaneity in spirit whereas bozo can come off more calculated but i realize both can be scum

Welcome to my fucking issue - I see both situations where they are scum.

What has really hammered this home to me is Spirit’s posts right now. They are emotionally hedgy and not engaging in explanation, just yelling at me to change my vote.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Damn honestly both spirit and bozo react pretty well to brains meltdown…

They each do it in their own way…

I guess I’m potentially being fooled by what seems like spontaneity in spirit whereas bozo can come off more calculated but i realize both can be scum

Welcome to my fucking issue - I see both situations where they are scum.

What has really hammered this home to me is Spirit’s posts right now. They are emotionally hedgy and not engaging in explanation, just yelling at me to change my vote.

well idk what else to do, i explained my town case, you wont reply to it... I've done everything I can, and I am just here waiting for you to make a decision and you wont and wont engage me on points im raising, its frustrating

[SpiritoftheRadio]

i really dont see how you can see bozo as town, hasn't raised a good point the whole day, not like town bozo at all. I am here doing everything I can, most of the time he is just clenching his sphincter and hoping you both turn against me and poking me with weird stuff occasionally because he doesnt have a real town position to stand on himself.