MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[bozotheclown]

Food, really go back and re-read spirit.

Do you town him for anything other than being a fool at times?

No, but do I town bozo for anything other than analysis? No. The reactions seem harder to fake so on balance it is bozo by POE.

Also there’s somewhere Vecna seems to be pecking bozo that made me think he visited bozo N1 and learned his ability… which actually could mean he learned he had a kill

If I was mafia and Vecna had targeted me D1, I think the last thing he would have done is let me know it, because the 3P has to survive late into the game in this setup to have a chance.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

do it

[foodcoats]

On N5 ND was pretty convinced there was something wrong with worcej being alive.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I mean, like, it makes no sense for worecj to be scum rn. He is just a stubborn bastard man towny

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I mean, like, it makes no sense for worecj to be scum rn. He is just a stubborn bastard man towny

with respect

[foodcoats]

There are a lot of mechanics involved with the witch role if that is what Vecna is claiming and it is also extremely likely that he is on the edge of winning this.

I need to read his posts again. I will soon.

Scum pool: Bozo, Brain, Spirit, Worcej
3p/Witch: Vecna
Town: me, Food

It's likely that Spirit is town as well which leaves the pool at: Bozo, Brain, Worcej.

If we operate under the theory that the scum team has been highly efficient in taking out PR's then barring the exception of the ridiculously stupid Bunny kill then we have to consider the team as: Brain/Bozo. Brain with his obsession of finding PR's in any game regardless of his alignment is a natural fit for this and Bozo is a smart guy.

The other theory that I have been playing around with is that Worcej just went for broke D1 as scum. Played an insane game and got pretty town read for it. Although I think this is kind of hard to believe. In this scenario, his partner could be either Brain or Bozo. Hard to say. Occam's razor, this scenario probably is false.

Thus, if the team is Brain/Bozo then it would make sense that they wouldn't kill Worcej if Worcej is town. He never claimed under pressure and stated his role was useless which would check out with him being a VT. Thus, they left him around as a semi-soft cleared town candidate and focused on shooting in the dark then picked some tells up later that allowed them to make some efficient shots. They never took me out because I made it fairly clear that I also was a VT when I was a leading candidate at 20 minutes to go and never claimed to be a PR.

So I think we can pretty much deduce this down to a Bozo/Brain team that's left standing although I could be wrong.

Operating under the assumption it is Bozo-Brain as the Scumteam and Vecna as Witch with the caveat that Vecna is probably one day elimination away from winning the game.

Honestly I would rather have Vecna win than Bozo-Brain. So, that's my position on it.

For us to win (Food, Spirit, Worcej) we would have to pull a hat trick and be 100% correct on the next three eliminations. If we are wrong on one of Bozo-Brain then it's GG.

Interested in what the rest of you have to say on it (mainly the people I think are town: Worcej, Spirit, Food).

ND called brain and was pretty sold on bozo as the partner

[SpiritoftheRadio]

100% bozo will switch if he wanna kill him, but like, he cant be scum at this point he is town clear because he could just vote bozo and itd all be over. We weren't going to kill him anyway so idk why he would take this stand as anything but town

[bozotheclown]

So one of your shenanigans was the vecna thing and I think that’s dubious

The other is they didn’t immediately rb+kill me… and I mean one reason might very well be that I wasn’t the biggest threat. *Sad But True by Metallica plays*

they were dumb food, you rb and kill a doc the second you can, they had the chance after all other PR's and 3p was dead and they killed ND. Bad decisions. I realized you were a PR right when I stopped pushing you as scum (and before you tied the vote that day where I briefly went back to scum reading you in a blind rage). I would have pushed for your kill then if I was scum, pal <3

I anchor this as true because I sent jamie a message saying it to the god thread, my status as a chad will be confirmed at games end

It seemed like you were scum reading foodcoats even after his doctor claim.

[foodcoats]

Anyway, taking Vecna out now is the best course of action then Brainbomb D7.

I'll be thinking about who Brainbomb and Dip&War's partner is, but my gut says its Bozo. That's about all I got.

I don't know if much more needs to be said here. Based on Vecna's last post I doubt he is going to engage further.

@Food you should make the call on if you want to end the day as you are our PR, but I don't really see the value in dragging it out now.

ND sez boso.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

So one of your shenanigans was the vecna thing and I think that’s dubious

The other is they didn’t immediately rb+kill me… and I mean one reason might very well be that I wasn’t the biggest threat. *Sad But True by Metallica plays*

they were dumb food, you rb and kill a doc the second you can, they had the chance after all other PR's and 3p was dead and they killed ND. Bad decisions. I realized you were a PR right when I stopped pushing you as scum (and before you tied the vote that day where I briefly went back to scum reading you in a blind rage). I would have pushed for your kill then if I was scum, pal <3

I anchor this as true because I sent jamie a message saying it to the god thread, my status as a chad will be confirmed at games end

It seemed like you were scum reading foodcoats even after his doctor claim.

briefly after the vote tied by him doing, i was pissed and ghug was claiming doc too if i recall. And I scum read him a lot in the early game. Never voted him after it, just rage posted once that night and gave him a bad read from what I remember. That was when my eyes turned to you, as a matter of fact

[foodcoats]

The only other things i can call up to mind now are that bozo played similar to this last time he was scum in a game i was in. The whole time i was like he’s solving, he’s bozo, he’s town! But he was scum.

And I think ever since the vecna claim and brain meltdown bozo has been extremely subdued.

There’s a lot of heat from worcej and spirit and I’m not convinced bozo is sold on trying to catch scum right now at the end.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Town (or 3P)
ghug (Priest)
food (obvtown)
worcej (D1)
brain (yesterday)
Spirit (everything)

Seems less likely to be paired with Dip but I'm unsure:
Vecna
ND

Pool:
##VOTE Will
Bozo

Like this - I don't like this reasoning for Spirit atm

I mean, we should be reconsidering everyone, but I think the way Dip pushed Spirit doesn't look bussy, and then we've had a bunch of other little slips and moments that reinforce that he's likely town.

ghug town read me, ND town read me, Vecna (for what 3p is worth) town read me, Will town read me, demon town read me. I dont recall king or mimi having opinions on me really, but basically every towny who died in the 2nd half of the game thought I was town, and they were right.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Enjoying valentines day with my wife and not this shit

fair enough, spooky that your were summoned by it tho

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*gunshots erupt*

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So based on the few posts quoted by spirit, I suddenly feel like bozo needs a really, really long look.

eh the demon read on me waivered a bit, it ended ok, but he did wanna kill bozo consistently

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I know no amount of townies being right will matter to worecj though

[worcej]

I know no amount of townies being right will matter to worecj though

Because townies are wrong more often then they are right.

Again - you’re defending yourself off the opinions of others and that’s it.

Spirit: why are you town?

[worcej]

I mean, like, it makes no sense for worecj to be scum rn. He is just a stubborn bastard man towny

with respect

No disrespect taken.

[worcej]

So one of your shenanigans was the vecna thing and I think that’s dubious

The other is they didn’t immediately rb+kill me… and I mean one reason might very well be that I wasn’t the biggest threat. *Sad But True by Metallica plays*

How was ND a bigger threat than you? Lol

[worcej]

Like this - I don't like this reasoning for Spirit atm

I mean, we should be reconsidering everyone, but I think the way Dip pushed Spirit doesn't look bussy, and then we've had a bunch of other little slips and moments that reinforce that he's likely town.

ghug town read me, ND town read me, Vecna (for what 3p is worth) town read me, Will town read me, demon town read me. I dont recall king or mimi having opinions on me really, but basically every towny who died in the 2nd half of the game thought I was town, and they were right.

Counter-argument: you were so widely townread. Why are you alive?

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I know no amount of townies being right will matter to worecj though

Because townies are wrong more often then they are right.

Again - you’re defending yourself off the opinions of others and that’s it.

Spirit: why are you town?

No town will ever have a good answer to this question, it has a guilty till proven innocent mindset inherent in it, and vanilla townies dont know anything and cant prove their innocence, thats the point of the game.

Town tells:
-Voted for dip as a tie breaker (yes I did, look at the thread, bozo is wrong, bunnys jump)
- I pushed HARD for a resolution to a tie on that day it tied, even trying to give up my ghug tunnel for demon at the end because I knew it was better for town to get info
- I was extremely happy to go along with vecna's proposal, something scum would never do
- I did push BB several times, although I did defend him a bit too.
- I strongly opposed several townies being killed (mimi, will, demon)
- I have been on bozo for a while and my read was genuine before process of elimination made it easy
- I've been open and honest the whole game, even to the point of being an idiot and misreading things several times, I am not worried about it because I have nothing to hide
- I COULD be pushing you right now, food seemed to want it, but its obvious it isnt you or you're a psychopath as final scum. I want to win and I am town, so I'm not.
- Everyone who has died has town read me, if I was night killing people, you and bozo wouldn't be alive because why would I take people to the end game who will maybe kill me when there were many other others that were just as good to take to the finals and didn't think I could be scum.
- Idk dude, my social vibe was good enough to get town read by everyone in the game besides you and scum, look at the company youre in, even if you can't see it, literally everyone else can

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I mean, we should be reconsidering everyone, but I think the way Dip pushed Spirit doesn't look bussy, and then we've had a bunch of other little slips and moments that reinforce that he's likely town.

ghug town read me, ND town read me, Vecna (for what 3p is worth) town read me, Will town read me, demon town read me. I dont recall king or mimi having opinions on me really, but basically every towny who died in the 2nd half of the game thought I was town, and they were right.

Counter-argument: you were so widely townread. Why are you alive?

bozo has been pushing me as a miskill target for a couple days. I think in scums mind, you and ND seemed like more concrete town due to your reactions to the vecna situation and your day 1. I think they thought I was their best shot near the end. That's it. I also don't think they had faith in my ability to solve the game, which is fair enough. If BB were here still and didn't get so obviously outed, I mostly town read him during the game and have issues figuring him out in general, so pre-BB outing/killing, keeping me around made sense more. I think bozo was mostly stuck with me after that.