MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[worcej]

Next wagon I don't quite understand: Spirit
Post group 1: "I am joke posting but Demon made the roleblock post before I could so"
wait
wtf

I believe their early posting was slightly towny because they seemed to want to help town and had an eagerness to play which i see in newere players

will and dip facing off early, knowing the best money is on one of you two getting day oned. prolly both nervous town, but I'd be betting on you if I were the guy

So this is kind of long-winded
but
The 3p is either a witch or a warlock. I think spirit might be the witch referring to the warlock ("the guy" seems like a way of referring to the masculine-associated 3p, especially from the perspective of someone who is the witch). Also seems to be subtly profiling players for potentially prs (the comment about "nervous town" seems like it would be how a vt read would be presented), which also fits with the witch, whose main goal is to find prs!
TLDR: I think spirit is the Witch 3p

post group 2: "everyone thinks I'm a warlock" (???) "and here's some low-quality posts"
post group 3: "shit post, shitpost, shit post. Also brain is correct about saying that this is how I normally post"
Post group 4: "here's a read list" (!!!) "and I'm going to be annoying about the lie detector statement thing"
Post group 5: "here's a theory about voting, and I scumread food" (votes food)
Post group 6: "I always forgot that I'm mafia" (???) "but I'm town. the ND wagon is shitty and here are some posts of similar quality"
Post group 7: "Hi I'm back and I'm voting red because I don't scumread dip or ND, but I am also not joining the worcej wagon"

votes:
ghug: "using '/s' is scummy"
miminena: "I want a town claim from spirit"
food: "I am mad that spirit is scumreading non-posters"
brain: [no reason given]

conclusion: The spirit wagon was shitty and spirit is probably town, although the 3p theory does hold merit, between the stubbornness about claiming town and the potential witch slip
light townread on that

Massive effort to invalidate spirits wagon, ~11 hours into D2.

[foodcoats]

The bozo/BB scum team does not strike me as willing to gamble on Vecna not outing them to the world.

scum!bozo would know that the 3p was very anti-scum and a liability they needed to deal with.

I’m confused. This was the whole thing I was railing about. How did scum know 3P was Vecna? I read all the mechanics and I do not think they knew mechanically it was him. Have you seen a way it is possible?

I've been assuming that it was N3 when he did something to indicate it was him.

I'm not voting for a draw - at this point it's fairly clear that the person that was going to be offered up was BB.

I kinda want to start hunting your partner, and I'm more inclined to go back to Spirit based off posts from you and Dip...

If you had done any homework at all, reread vecna. His interactions with me even yesterday showed he knew my alignment. He even knew that id been roleblocked and knew my emotion start of day was because my action failed n3

I think in the midst of all his anger, BB was telling the truth here.

Brain was a goon…

[worcej]

Worecj and bozo, if you are both somehow scum, just own up to it, the vote can be tied until you kill food and then you kill me and its over. I dont wanna keep scrapping with you, shit gets me all negative

Real talk: Jamie would've ended the game if this is the case.

[foodcoats]

Man just go read N6 brain iso. He is clearly angry at bozo.

Worcej, it’s bozo.

[worcej]

I’m confused. This was the whole thing I was railing about. How did scum know 3P was Vecna? I read all the mechanics and I do not think they knew mechanically it was him. Have you seen a way it is possible?

I've been assuming that it was N3 when he did something to indicate it was him.

If you had done any homework at all, reread vecna. His interactions with me even yesterday showed he knew my alignment. He even knew that id been roleblocked and knew my emotion start of day was because my action failed n3

I think in the midst of all his anger, BB was telling the truth here.

Brain was a goon…

Read the Tamperer closer.

Tamperer – Twice per game, at night, you may visit a player and place misleading evidence upon them. If they are investigated that night, this will have the following effects:

- The Cop will read the target as "Guilty" irrespective of the truth.

- The Vanilla Cop will read the target as "Not Vanilla" irrespective of the truth.

- The Bloodhound will read the target as “Bloody” irrespective of the truth.

- The Lie Detector will read any statement by the target as “False” irrespective of the truth.

In addition, if the target is daykilled on the immediately following day, they will reveal as a Mafia Goon instead of their actual alignment and role.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

The bozo/BB scum team does not strike me as willing to gamble on Vecna not outing them to the world.

scum!bozo would know that the 3p was very anti-scum and a liability they needed to deal with.

I’m confused. This was the whole thing I was railing about. How did scum know 3P was Vecna? I read all the mechanics and I do not think they knew mechanically it was him. Have you seen a way it is possible?

I've been assuming that it was N3 when he did something to indicate it was him.

I'm not voting for a draw - at this point it's fairly clear that the person that was going to be offered up was BB.

I kinda want to start hunting your partner, and I'm more inclined to go back to Spirit based off posts from you and Dip...

If you had done any homework at all, reread vecna. His interactions with me even yesterday showed he knew my alignment. He even knew that id been roleblocked and knew my emotion start of day was because my action failed n3

I think in the midst of all his anger, BB was telling the truth here.

you're seriously reading into what BB said after he was outed as evidence? Next you gunna herr durr at my "yes daddy" post replying to him when he told me I was a bad scum buddy?

[foodcoats]

If it isn’t bozo it’s worcej lol

[worcej]

BB tampered himself versus using the RB while spirit killed ND as they didn't want to aim at you and play "doctor chicken"

[foodcoats]

I've been assuming that it was N3 when he did something to indicate it was him.I think in the midst of all his anger, BB was telling the truth here.

Brain was a goon…

Read the Tamperer closer.

Tamperer – Twice per game, at night, you may visit a player and place misleading evidence upon them. If they are investigated that night, this will have the following effects:

- The Cop will read the target as "Guilty" irrespective of the truth.

- The Vanilla Cop will read the target as "Not Vanilla" irrespective of the truth.

- The Bloodhound will read the target as “Bloody” irrespective of the truth.

- The Lie Detector will read any statement by the target as “False” irrespective of the truth.

In addition, if the target is daykilled on the immediately following day, they will reveal as a Mafia Goon instead of their actual alignment and role.

Ah damn okay.

Well I still think he was raging publicly at bozo N6

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Worecj and bozo, if you are both somehow scum, just own up to it, the vote can be tied until you kill food and then you kill me and its over. I dont wanna keep scrapping with you, shit gets me all negative

Real talk: Jamie would've ended the game if this is the case.

probably but like dude, you need to see this clearly, i am not it. I am in disbelief you are actually in the mindset youre in. Food is confirmed town and he agrees

[worcej]

I’m confused. This was the whole thing I was railing about. How did scum know 3P was Vecna? I read all the mechanics and I do not think they knew mechanically it was him. Have you seen a way it is possible?

I've been assuming that it was N3 when he did something to indicate it was him.

If you had done any homework at all, reread vecna. His interactions with me even yesterday showed he knew my alignment. He even knew that id been roleblocked and knew my emotion start of day was because my action failed n3

I think in the midst of all his anger, BB was telling the truth here.

you're seriously reading into what BB said after he was outed as evidence? Next you gunna herr durr at my "yes daddy" post replying to him when he told me I was a bad scum buddy?

Scum BB has said truthful statements MANY TIMES in games when he is caught.

[foodcoats]

BB tampered himself versus using the RB while spirit killed ND as they didn't want to aim at you and play "doctor chicken"

Okay but why does him being tamperer matter again?

[SpiritoftheRadio]

If it isn’t bozo it’s worcej lol

if it were worcej, he'd just vote bozo for the win, unless he is that sick to want to twist us around his finger one more time before he wins. I give it a maybe.

[worcej]

Worecj and bozo, if you are both somehow scum, just own up to it, the vote can be tied until you kill food and then you kill me and its over. I dont wanna keep scrapping with you, shit gets me all negative

Real talk: Jamie would've ended the game if this is the case.

probably but like dude, you need to see this clearly, i am not it. I am in disbelief you are actually in the mindset youre in. Food is confirmed town and he agrees

You have yet to provide any game reasoning or analysis to prove to me bozo is scum and you're town.

You're entire arguments have been "IT ISN'T ME BECAUSE I AM TELLING YOU I AM TOWN BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"

[bozotheclown]

you didnt get the kill on food pal. I'm talking night kills, the last few at least.

I think you are still misrepresenting what ND said. Besides, everyone left was scum reading me, so it is easy for you to say I was targeting players who scum read me more than you.

I quoted ND in my reply, which you left off for some reason, read it again

It's a good question @food.

I don't have a case on Bozo or Spirit. It's more of a gut read on the situation and process of elimination. I am reasonably certain that it's not Worcej. He would have had to play against his wincon basically the entire game and almost got wagoned on D1 for really nothing. I don't think that's likely for a scum worcej to do. It's not him.

It's pretty clear that scum team were following a strategy of systematically hunting PR's or the 3P. Shots in the dark at people like Bunny/Damo kind of confirm that and they did hit town PR. Brain is obsessed with finding PR's. We got him to slip up. My gut tells me that Bozo would be a good pair to Brain in this instance based on the mafia kills. Not saying Spirit isn't capable of being strategic like this, but I know Bozo is.

I'll keep thinking about it and may go back through and do some kind of final analysis but my other analytical posts were really dogshit and my theory of the game was disproved twice. Hence my hesitance.

Here's another one

it's almost certainly bozo who is paired with brain.

ND was scum reading me, but he was not town reading you, except by POE.

[foodcoats]

Like how does being tamperer N3 link with scum realizing vecna is 3p

[worcej]

BB tampered himself versus using the RB while spirit killed ND as they didn't want to aim at you and play "doctor chicken"

Okay but why does him being tamperer matter again?

Because he wanted to make us think he wasn't the PR to fuck with us.

It's the only fucking logical reason possible the scum killed ND over you.

[foodcoats]

If it isn’t bozo it’s worcej lol

if it were worcej, he'd just vote bozo for the win, unless he is that sick to want to twist us around his finger one more time before he wins. I give it a maybe.

Ah right.

[worcej]

Like how does being tamperer N3 link with scum realizing vecna is 3p

I don't know, but I don't think there is a world where BB loses his complete mind that Vecna was doing what he did if they didn't know for sure Vecna was 3p and they would get outted.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

I've been assuming that it was N3 when he did something to indicate it was him.I think in the midst of all his anger, BB was telling the truth here.

you're seriously reading into what BB said after he was outed as evidence? Next you gunna herr durr at my "yes daddy" post replying to him when he told me I was a bad scum buddy?

Scum BB has said truthful statements MANY TIMES in games when he is caught.

yes, it gives him a sick thrill in he wee wee when he does, but he lies more than he tells the trust (scum) and you're trusting one statement in particular over all the others and its ridiculous