MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[worcej]

Alright so I think reading back is really hard now because of confirmation bias.

Where I am at is Spirit seems very townie for certain reactions throughout the game.

Bozo has made essentially no impression on me. He has acted townily but it is very easy to act townie. He has not had any reactions or made any moves that make me jump one way or another.

I think there’s a small chance that worcej is scum. I have seen him play the long game before. But Vecna and Ghug townread him for D1 and they are far better and more experienced players than I.

So, something I've been working on to ponder:

BB only indicated bozo could be scum once, and it was just agreeing with RHK's case, before D6 when he effectively outted himself. He mentioned bozo was town every phase prior to this.

[worcej]

no, if ND were here instead of you, he would not be voting for me. I dont think that's up in the air, killing him as scum me would be foolish

This is still WIFOM.

ND would be able to go through analysis and possibly land on you. I think the biggest reason ND is dead is because he was obviously town with how he laid into BB and how him and I were in-sync with our opinions. One of us had to go, you just chose him over me.

Worcej, why ND and not me?

Because BB was probably pissed as shit at ND for all the namecalling. BB is fairly petty and the kill order didn't really matter.

If I were scum, I would've stacked the RB and kill on you that phase because that'd be the optimum move and gone into the next night killing bozo.

My ideal F3, if I were the last scum, would've been ND and Spirit.

[worcej]

Again, I don't think bozo is scum because I doubt he would've been fine with making the inefficient plays made.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

OK, but you were also assuming I would be around to DK.

yes because I said you and bb were obvious scum. Your posts that keep going "hey look here spirits doing something"x20 and you're not even certain im mafia is weird, you only made a couple posts looking at worecj. Everyone been saying I'm town except for you, I could be the one killed tonight.

I know you're trying to do what you can to pull it off, but the game ended a day or so ago when vecna outed and BB melted and you got got as a result. Your play as a whole was decent, got bad luck and I think you picked the wrong kills a few times. I think the game would be more interesting if ND was here because he was unlikely to be as towny as worecj and me rn. I would at least need to entertain the idea that ND saw his scum partner meltdown and used it to soft clear himself with schadenfreude. At least food should have died a long long time ago. These are not decisions I would make. ND said I was 99% town, why would I kill him and keep a town bozo? Worecj even had some shade on me here or there, no way I would kill ND over him from my perspective knowing I'd be final scum.

brainbomb/SpiritoftheRadio seems most likely based on D6, but I do not rule out the brainbomb/ND interaction as extreme scum distancing, with brainbomb willing to reveal himself for ND town credit. Besides the D1 reasons to town read worcej, I think it is very unlikely he was fabricating his reaction to Vecna's claim.

ok sure, I think you should pivot to ND boss, I am 99% town to most people here, not an easy misskill, havent ever even been close the whole game. Only thing I've done right this whole game is stinking like only a towny can

You who said you were 99% town, I don't think ND ever said that.

you're right, thats my words I put in ND's mouth, he did say I was town multiple times though. And he was pretty certain it was you

It's a good question @food.

I don't have a case on Bozo or Spirit. It's more of a gut read on the situation and process of elimination. I am reasonably certain that it's not Worcej. He would have had to play against his wincon basically the entire game and almost got wagoned on D1 for really nothing. I don't think that's likely for a scum worcej to do. It's not him.

It's pretty clear that scum team were following a strategy of systematically hunting PR's or the 3P. Shots in the dark at people like Bunny/Damo kind of confirm that and they did hit town PR. Brain is obsessed with finding PR's. We got him to slip up. My gut tells me that Bozo would be a good pair to Brain in this instance based on the mafia kills. Not saying Spirit isn't capable of being strategic like this, but I know Bozo is.

I'll keep thinking about it and may go back through and do some kind of final analysis but my other analytical posts were really dogshit and my theory of the game was disproved twice. Hence my hesitance.

For what its worth. My point is ND would have been more on my side going into the endgame and I wouldn't have killed him because of that

[worcej]

I honestly had to hold myself back from doing any game analysis, as I wanted to not influence scum.

I put out there a lot that it was bb / bozo, so I'm not shocked spirit picked that, but I've shared some posts that showed BB really doing the "lord's work" to softly defend him. Everyone really towned Spirit for his actions but also the massive anti-bussing D&W did

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Again, I don't think bozo is scum because I doubt he would've been fine with making the inefficient plays made.

Well, you're definitely wrong that I would

[SpiritoftheRadio]

for real though, i genuinely don't get it, game ended, we had bozo/brain, all we have to do is follow through. They basically threw unless something crazy is going on and we have two scum left and I am not really entertaining that, but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

[worcej]

for real though, i genuinely don't get it, game ended, we had bozo/brain, all we have to do is follow through. They basically threw unless something crazy is going on and we have two scum left and I am not really entertaining that, but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

This exact thought process is what I wanted you to think - that I would never reassess the game and it was just a cake walk.

I mean, yeah I could be wrong, but the VCA/interactions/cases/everything I look for in a scum points to you.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

for the record, I would have probably killed worecj last night if i were scum too, since if I were scum I would be reading more closely and saw he didnt scum bozo as much as I thought and food said I was town right before night ended, so... he would have been a bad bet since he claimed he used his self save 2 nights ago so it was good to go again. Idk, I just dont see how you can even think its me seriously. It would require the dumbest decision making possible, and while I havent been that on the ball during this game, I am capable of reading the thread as scum and choose my best options and not send kills only at people who town read me going into the end game

[SpiritoftheRadio]

for real though, i genuinely don't get it, game ended, we had bozo/brain, all we have to do is follow through. They basically threw unless something crazy is going on and we have two scum left and I am not really entertaining that, but I feel like I'm taking crazy pills

This exact thought process is what I wanted you to think - that I would never reassess the game and it was just a cake walk.

I mean, yeah I could be wrong, but the VCA/interactions/cases/everything I look for in a scum points to you.

it definitely does not, read again. you have one point, and its that bozo isn't willing to follow brain and I would be. Totally ignoring the entire rest of the game

[bozotheclown]

I can't see why worcej would not just vote with SpiritoftheRadio here if he were mafia, so:

##VOTE SpiritoftheRadio

Also, SpiritoftheRadio has been singularly focused on DKing me as soon as ND and worcej said they suspected I was mafia D6.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Well, either food ties it or town loses. Fun, I'd prefer the game to end even if I lose rather than endure another night/day. Worecj, if you're town you're a fool. If you're scum, good game i suppose

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Well, either food ties it or town loses. Fun, I'd prefer the game to end even if I lose rather than endure another night/day. Worecj, if you're town you're a fool. If you're scum, good game i suppose

but also scum worecj would just vote bozo and win, but mostly itd be for all the other stuff earlier and being not a suspect really

[SpiritoftheRadio]

thinking on it, if food ties it, he just gets killed tomorrow, so unless worecj moves, we're locked in to lose

[SpiritoftheRadio]

BB here enjoying the show...

[worcej]

Well, either food ties it or town loses. Fun, I'd prefer the game to end even if I lose rather than endure another night/day. Worecj, if you're town you're a fool. If you're scum, good game i suppose

If you're town, BB did one hell of a fucking job setting you up during the early game.

D&W went super hard into you to town you for no benefit for scum.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

nuts if you win this

[foodcoats]

One problem with the “efficiency committee” idea worcej is advancing is it is just about ND over me, not Vecna, because we don’t know what scum knew. Vecna’s story had holes and it did not add up. I still think he was trying to get town to go along, to piss off scum, to get them to throw the game to him.

Let me go read some High Lord Vecna…

[SpiritoftheRadio]

Well, either food ties it or town loses. Fun, I'd prefer the game to end even if I lose rather than endure another night/day. Worecj, if you're town you're a fool. If you're scum, good game i suppose

If you're town, BB did one hell of a fucking job setting you up during the early game.

D&W went super hard into you to town you for no benefit for scum.

AND BOZO HAS BEEN TARGETTING ONLY PEOPLE WHO TOWN READ ME WORECJ, REASSESS THE GAME!!!

[foodcoats]

##VOTE bozo

No shenanigans