MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[bozotheclown]

Oh and because I just saw Spirit's post above. How do you give a 'least town vibe' to people who haven't posted yet? That isn't reasonable.

#Make Web Dip Mafia Great Again

I’m going to

##VOTE Spirit

Welp rereading I see that food didnt even post in those pages and the posts I was thinking of were all by spirit not food. So, guess ill remember better next time

##vote spirit

On D1, within 6 minute of SpiritoftheRadio becoming the first to get 3 votes D1, brainbomb fabricated a reason to vote for him. brainbomb may have wanted to make sure he was on the SpiritoftheRadio wagon in case SpiritoftheRadio ended up being the DK. Everyone else who had votes at the time have been confirmed town, so there was no obvious reason to pile on a town wagon with over half of D1 to go.

[bozotheclown]

Dip and war posts are indeed worse than usual. Ive seen his scum game many times and I remember it being focused on piggy backing off of proposed town strategies. In the example I remember balki had a plan and then ghug had a plan, and then dip amended the plan tediously to try to seem engaged in the plan which involved some circuitous mass claim idea. Not seeing as much involvement in trying to fit in with the strategic crew but the posts he has made are so non serious and so tonally awful.

##vote diplomacy&warfare

brainbomb's vote for DiplomacyandWarfare made him one of the top 2 wagons, and kept him in DK contention the rest of D1. worcej also had 2 votes at the time.

[bozotheclown]

the only appeal of red over ND is they're a bit more lurky and its hard to sus those people out in mid-late game if there is a bunch of em

##vote Red Neurax

tied 4 ND to 4 Red, then dip with 3, 10mins left, get to stepping

SpiritoftheRadio made Red Neurax the counter wagon to ND over D&W, apparently thinking D1 was about to end.

[bozotheclown]

Ya'll should just flash wagon me instead then if you're so convinced I'm scum

##vote Worcej

lets go

##vote worcej

Ya'll should just flash wagon me instead then if you're so convinced I'm scum

##Vote worc

##vote worcej

##vote worcej

brainbomb and D&W were quick to jump on the worcej wagon, but if worcej mad the challenge to DK him as mafia, I think brainbomb and D&W would want to make sure they were on his wagon. The question is whether worcej would do that as mafia. It certainly resulted in town credit, so it would have been a good mafia ploy.

[bozotheclown]

fewer lurkers is a funner game tho, and an easier solve since the mafia usually wont pick them off

I find it suspicious that spirit shows up 20 minutes into n1

after panicking thinking I was at eod an hour early, I get it. The honest truth was I got absorbed into testing a princess focused lorcana deck and eating a whole ass french bread straight out of the bag. I ain't even going to try and make up a less embarrassing reason, thats just what happened

This is an odd interaction at the beginning of N2, because it seems like DiplomacyandWarfare is implying SpiritoftheRadio may have been busy in scum chat, but SpiritoftheRadio explains why he missed the last hour of D1 after thinking D1 was about to end an hour earlier.

[bozotheclown]

##vote bozo
didn't see much from this d1 other than sheeping other people's wagons. Also, zero posts today
#NoLurking

##VOTE DIP

sorry worcej wagoners I want this over worcej a teensy bit

It was very unlikely DiplomacyandWarfare would be DKed with 1 minute to go. Why didn't you vote your preference between worcej and Red Neurax?

oh look bozo is here
next lurker who I scumread:
##vote worcej

The top wagon is 2 votes and nobody has voted me today, which is making me anxious because I'm likely going to end up flashwagoned at some point.
Moreover, the foodcoats wagon is relatively low-quality, the vecna wagon is going nowhere, and I'm the only one on the worce wagon
And voting ND just encourages ND to make a bigger deal out of the whole situation and his stupid "dip is acting dumb" arc.
but screw it
##vote ND

seems like it's time for a readlist
---TOWN---
dip
ghug
brain
---will vote to save people ABOVE this line---
miminena
Vecna
bozo
---null line---
kotp
bunny
will
worcej
---I would be happy to see anyone BELOW this line be the kill today---
spirit
Demon
ND
---SCUM---

well, if nothing else, this readlist reminded me that spirit is in the game, and spirit has been lurking and contributing almost nothing, therefore

##VOTE SPIRITOFTHERADIO

No one can deny that D&W was distance voting his remaining teammate at the beginning of D2.

[bozotheclown]

RIP damo. Gj on being the kill as a VT though.

##vote food

third voter rule.

I concur on food here

##vote food

Yay my top scum read is now a wagon

##vote foodcoats

Ghug isn't looking any better but he can wait

unpopular opinion:
I townread food
Maybe it's just that food is posting right now
Maybe it's the pfp
Maybe it's the actually thought-out reads
but I think food is town

Besides trying to pocket foodcoats, it seems D&W was distancing from 1 or 2 teammates voting for foodcoats.

[bozotheclown]

Hi everyone. Just going to get caught up.

Join me in only playing this game to witchy British doom metal!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bUnLNDIWPT4&t=612s

Expanding - I just feel like eliminating people who are prone to not agree with a game consensus is actually a good approach to D1.

why eliminate those who do not conform to the general idea. uniformity is not good at this stage

-----------------------------Most town vibes
DiplomacyandWarfare
JustAGuyNamedWill
kingofthepirates
N.D.
Brainbomb
BunnyGo
damo666
miminena
Ghug
DemonRHK
-------------------------------least town vibes

non-posters:
Red Neurax
Foodcoats
bozo
Vecna

Spirit, when you posted this, both Red and I HAD posted.

Can you explain how you ended up posting this? What was the process and the thinking? To me it’s difficult to believe this town/scum ranking is authentic because you clearly had not been paying attention to the game.

You've brought this up like 3 times now, so I'll respond. I just forgot you said anything, looking back, you made some posts during the opening shit posting, then not for a few hours before I made the read post, and I just forgot about your posts and didn't have access to the bot at the time to check. I don't know why this is some kind of gotcha to you, putting you in non-posters is like beyond null status, it just meant I had not consciously perceived you in the game. People seemed to have issues with that post thinking I was scum reading non-posters, I was not, my writing there removed them from the spectrum, demon was the scummiest at the time to me, but this was very early in the game. Idk what you want for an authentic post, but me genuinely forgetting you existed in the game is about as authentic as you get. It was 5hours into the game and I thought I'd throw out the vibes I felt, and didn't put more thought into it than it warranted.

For the record, I do find the witch theories about me entertaining, but if I was actually a role that mattered, I'd be being a bit more careful. Openly joking about being a warlock or even mentioning it in the thread is a bit too obvious don't you think? Idk you can think I'm a troll if you want, but if I was someone looking to manipulate people I'd probably be reading the thread and managing how I come off a lot more. Even if I was feigning aloofness, I'd make sure it doesn't implicate me accidentally. I do kind of feel like this same thing happened with Damo where he talked a lot about the lie detector, so mafia assumed it was him. But... That's not usually how a real PR would come off, they have the investment that would make them risk adverse enough to not come out. Like, you can play against that meta purposefully, but the majority will not do that. Food for thought, I don't think I'll be killed today, but you're welcome to try. I m more inclined to post things I think are funny or my thoughts in the moment than reread a bunch to make sure everything I say is perfect. Game is funner that way

This is from D2, where SpiritoftheRadio explains why he listed Red Neurax and foodcoats as non-posters 2 hours after they each had posted. I do not remember thinking much about that, but it turned out to be an important development in D2:

Spirit, when you posted this, both Red and I HAD posted.

Can you explain how you ended up posting this? What was the process and the thinking? To me it’s difficult to believe this town/scum ranking is authentic because you clearly had not been paying attention to the game.

good catch food
spirit is pre-typing posts and posting them as if they're up to date
basically no reason for town to do this

This is a very very weird post.

How do you know this?

The posts are frantic and bizarre.

##vote diplomacy

This seems like distancing by D&W, then brainbomb immediately started a wagon on D&W after BunnyGo questioned D&W's post. brainbomb probably wanted to vote for D&W before BunnyGo did, and may have been concerned that BunnyGo was connecting D&W and SpiritoftheRadio.

[bozotheclown]

##vote dip

for the bot and to make it easier on our gm

##vote dip

I think this is a good revisit wagon to get some information on the chaos of D1. Selfishly, I can imagine that there is a potential “connection” between him and me that I feel needs to be exposed so people stop suspecting my D1 voting.

8 minutes after Vecna broke a tie between D&W and myself, worcej also voted for D&W. This could easily be bussing, as the mafia would want to make sure they got any town credit they could from a D&W DK.

[bozotheclown]

actual reasons behind scumreading me will has stated today: 0

##vote dip

I'll stop a tie, ##vote dip

primarily because I dont like the people on will's wagon, not because dip is scum

SpiritoftheRadio's vote for D&W came after BunnyGo had broken the tie, which had made the D&W DK likely.

[bozotheclown]

##vote ghug

since he has people and bozo doesnt

unacceptable. ghug is towny.

This could be distancing at EOD, or trying to get SpiritoftheRadio to vote for Just.

[bozotheclown]

##vote brainbomb

Literally just checked bot and saw the votes and feel good about this one.

worcej joined the brainbomb wagon with his only D3 vote.

[bozotheclown]

##vote foodcoats

yeah... i have a problem

##vote brainbomb

SpiritoftheRadio's vote for brainbomb D3 EOD briefly caused a tie, but SpiritoftheRadio could have put brainbomb in the lead during a 2 hour window preceding his vote.

[bozotheclown]

##Vote worcej

Will, I'm offering you your brain wagon if you wanna take it.

Kinda suspect you're bussing him but that's how it goes sometimes.

I’m willing to do either of you, so maybe

Why does it feel like whenever someone interacts with someone other than yourself or brain, you speak as if you are confronting them. However, when you speak about scumreads on brain or yourself, you interact as if you are bargaining

That makes more sense in my head but its something ive noticed

Want some help?

##vote Brain

brainbomb and worcej voted for each other D4.

[bozotheclown]

Sigh

N1 Bunny
N2 Vecna
N3 Brain

Byeeeeeeeeeeee

##vote demon

SpiritoftheRadio tried to break the tie to DK DemonRHK after DemonRHK made his PR claim. This could have been SpiritoftheRadio trying to eliminate a town PR so they did not have to try to NK him with a potential doctor in the game.

[bozotheclown]

omg this game got interesting while i was gone...

Im going along with vecnas thing, I dont think mafia are desperate enough to claim 3p here, and my vibe on him was town or 3p (i mostly thought he was town ngl). I trust his 3p info even if he is just a crazy VT

also lol brain

SpiritoftheRadio quickly accepted Vecna's claim.

What did you mean about trusting his 3P information if he was a VT?

[bozotheclown]

I actually left my living room, where my kids are now plugged into Bluey, to come to my PC to type this out versus using my phone and getting annoyed while doing it.

After reading the posts so far, this post is aimed at Spirit, food, and ND - who I believe are the remaining town with me. GT, mark my words (and lawlz at me if I am wrong - post-game will tell me the truth when I get there)

My conclusion on all of what's happened this phase is the following:

• 3p!Vecna is making the best move he can to give him the best chance to win. He has concluded that scum are keeping food alive, a pretty well established clear at this point (no CC from anyone else), alive because they are concerned about killing him and then their PR dying and they then lose. By keeping food alive, they ensure 3p cannot win.
• The fact that food is alive still boosts the credibility of Vecna's claim. Unless scum think food is a dogshit player, I've never seen a scum team keep a semi-clear player alive over a VT who had people scumming him (ghug). The 3p existence, and their potential to know that it's a witch via schenanigans, is the most likely explanation for why food is alive now.
• Vecna's potential information could end the game for scum, thus this offer impacts them the most. There's a lot of hypotheticals here and Vecna may not have all the information he is indicating he does, but he most likely does know 1 or 2 VTs, which narrows the pool of POE down significantly. He also is offering up their last PR specifically, so it'd be down to that last one player to pull this game off (if even possible)
• It is perfectly in the realm of reason that Vecna could be lying here. Quite frankly, I expect him to be lying a little bit. But, the second bullet does lead me to believe he isn't the warlock here. I've made the GM calls and several comments piecing together how he got the potential information.

So that's my list of what's happening - effectively what got us here. Here is my conclusion on what happens:

• By accepting Vecna's offer, we (the town) point a gun at scum and force them to make a move. Mafia, ultimately, boils down to town usually making uninformed decisions and deducing who is the bad guys and (hopefully) eliminating them. We usually fuck this up because of one or two people and thus scum win at the end. Based off how this game has been going, and this is solely my own opinion, idk if town is going to be able to unify to accomplish a win because of the amount of people scumming me and I am a VT.
  
  So, in this case, what makes Vecna's offer unique (and hilarious to me) is this:
  1. If Vecna is telling the truth and is the witch - scum have to be the kingmaker. Do they side with town to spite Vecna or do they give the game to Vecna? Usually this is forced upon town when we've effectively lost, but we're not there yet - also adding more credibility to Vecna FWIW - and there is still a chance all 3 parties can win. I'll let you piece the details together yourself here, as I don't want to help the scum out lol...
  2. If Vecna is lying and is the Warlock - scum know he is lying in this case and, to prevent town from giving the game to Vecna, they must out one of themselves by calling Vecna's shit out.
• Based off above, I believe the best strategy scum can employ right now is to try to push the narrative that Vecna is the Warlock, regardless of being factual or not. The Warlock is the big bad boogie-man of win-now mode and the remaining 2 scum need to invalidate Vecna's offer as much as possible to damage control. It's in their best interest to promote this attack. For this reason, and the posting being done so far, I believe the last scum pair is brain and bozo.

And for the sake of addressing the attacks at me:

• Scum!worcej would never in my lifetime have made the amount of posts to confirm the information with GM calls to piece this shit together. I would've done the same exact shit as BB and bozo - push the warlock narrative exclusively to invalidate the offer from Vecna.
• In a vacuum, the offer does force a 50/50-ish situation for town to win, but I feel those odds are better because of the amount of people mistakenly scumming me. I am actively addressing the issues you guys have with my gameplay right now, but consistently I am being flagged as scummy for my reasoning (recently food's comments) and then meta attacks. There are very few actual "you did this this game, thus scummy" lines outside of BB's manipulation/conspiracy thoughts. I am at a loss for why you'd think scum!worcej would do any of this analysis or entertain Vecna's offer if you really think this through. The only thing I can come up with is you think I'm trying to do a crazy game changing ploy, but if you've been scum with me, you know I like to be a puppeteer and manipulate things subtley, not with some fucking nutty play like this.

Alright - wall post done. Hopefully you read it and get where my head is at.

Why do you think I was trying to "push the narrative that Vecna is the Warlock"?

[worcej]

Ya'll should just flash wagon me instead then if you're so convinced I'm scum

##vote Worcej

lets go

##vote worcej

Ya'll should just flash wagon me instead then if you're so convinced I'm scum

##Vote worc

##vote worcej

##vote worcej

brainbomb and D&W were quick to jump on the worcej wagon, but if worcej mad the challenge to DK him as mafia, I think brainbomb and D&W would want to make sure they were on his wagon. The question is whether worcej would do that as mafia. It certainly resulted in town credit, so it would have been a good mafia ploy.

Honestly, It'd go down in history as one of the most impressive plays if this were the case.

[worcej]

##vote dip

for the bot and to make it easier on our gm

##vote dip

I think this is a good revisit wagon to get some information on the chaos of D1. Selfishly, I can imagine that there is a potential “connection” between him and me that I feel needs to be exposed so people stop suspecting my D1 voting.

8 minutes after Vecna broke a tie between D&W and myself, worcej also voted for D&W. This could easily be bussing, as the mafia would want to make sure they got any town credit they could from a D&W DK.

This exact analysis was completely lacking from Spirit when he began to suspect me and I felt like he was being lazy town.

My vote on D&W looks like a scum bus and a town player should've seen that during analysis.

[worcej]

##vote brainbomb

Literally just checked bot and saw the votes and feel good about this one.

worcej joined the brainbomb wagon with his only D3 vote.

This is thoroughly explained by me during these phases.