MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[foodcoats]

Although he would still be lying insofar as… he must’ve taken control on N2 and hence could not have visited the lie detector, or he would not be able to control for a kill, right?

Like vecna is claiming (by my deduction) to have controlled both the remaining mafia… so he cannot direct a kill anymore

Has this already been answered and I’m dumb
##CALL GM
If the witch took control of someone and the witch was roleblocked, would the person the witch took control of receive a RB message?

[foodcoats]

I think worcej already did all this and I’m just slow

[bozotheclown]

For clarity for town, my saves were

Self
Vecna (lol)
Self
Worcej
Self

I was RBd last night and confirmed I am NOT allowed to self save tonight.

So I would have to advocate a kill of Vecna always.

But I’m also pretty sure Vecna can’t redirect a kill and wanted scum to throw to him. But maybe it is like he claims, there is some weird interaction.

I think Vecna was going for something other than what he claimed. If he really knew the identity of the mafia PR and could still control the mafia goon, he could have pushed to DK the mafia PR, then try to divert the NK to you. He would have had a better chance of accomplishing that staying hidden than claiming and trying to do the same thing with help from mafia and town.

[worcej]

they say I am evil because I'm rude sometimes and kind of mean. Whatever. F*** em.

You're not evil at all, and I have adapted to look at your attitude as funny and genuinely enjoy reading your posts but... I was rude sometimes when I played here because I felt the genuine frustration would convey towniness. Then I realized I was just being a dick. I like you, ND, but you're one of the people I like, of many in my life, who I 100% understand why people get rubbed the wrong way by. Idk, just put yourself in other people's shoes more.

I grew up in deep mountain country and then i got (almost as of rn) a phd and am now a physics professor coming from a family who has 0 college degrees going back 4 generations and have had to thread the line between a lot of different politics and immensely different people my whole life and never felt like anyone really wanted to understand me or other people wherever I went. Never felt more fish out of water than I was in grad school (full disclosure I'm literally a blue haired progressive, and you think I'd fit in there but I unironically say y'all and folks so that puts me out of the in crowd).

If you wanna say fuck it, that's 100% your call, but also, you're fun to be around no matter how much people flame you and you'd get a lot more acceptance if you were a little less abrasive and political. I'm fine if I'm told to go fuck myself, I respect it tbh, but from slightly buzzed internet person to slightly buzzed internet person, I've seen enough in this game (and many times before) to know you'd be accepted completely if you took a second before you posted to think about what people would feel about what you said before you posted it. Its very clear to me you've done enough with the people here to warrant MANY chances, and they generally want the best of you. Even if they're pricks sometimes can can't make drunken mush posts like I can <3

NGL, there are several of us that should follow this advice, especially myself.

[bozotheclown]

Although he would still be lying insofar as… he must’ve taken control on N2 and hence could not have visited the lie detector, or he would not be able to control for a kill, right?

Like vecna is claiming (by my deduction) to have controlled both the remaining mafia… so he cannot direct a kill anymore

The role description says "Witch - During the DAY, you MUST select a target. You may not select the same person more than once." It doesn't seem like there in an exception for being RBed, so I think if Vecna selected a mafia N2, he would not be able to control their action D3 because of the RB, but also not be able to target that player again.

[worcej]

I think worcej already did all this and I’m just slow

I kinda did. I felt like I had enough of a grasp at what he was trying to accomplish

[bozotheclown]

Although he would still be lying insofar as… he must’ve taken control on N2 and hence could not have visited the lie detector, or he would not be able to control for a kill, right?

Like vecna is claiming (by my deduction) to have controlled both the remaining mafia… so he cannot direct a kill anymore

Has this already been answered and I’m dumb
##CALL GM
If the witch took control of someone and the witch was roleblocked, would the person the witch took control of receive a RB message?

I don't think this specific question was answer, but I doubt that is the case. Here are some questions I asked about the RB:

Let me answer for both.

For the first, no.
For the second, potentially, yes.

##CALL GM: Does that mean that if the witch is RBed, they can't redirect an action that night? Is there some exception? What would a witch be told if they targeted a VT? What would the witch be told if they targeted the mafia goon?

If the Witch selects a target with an action available, and the Witch is then roleblocked while trying to redirect that action, they would be roleblocked, and they would be told "You were roleblocked".

If the Witch selects a target with an action available, and the Witch's target is then roleblocked while the Witch is trying to redirect them, then the action would be roleblocked, and both the Witch AND the enchanted person would be told "You were roleblocked".

If the Witch targets a VT, they are told their target has no powers for them to redirect.

I've sort of answered the last part before, but, if the Witch targets a Mafia Goon, they are told their target has a killing ability. They can redirect the kill, but *only* if the Mafia Goon is the one performing the kill.

[foodcoats]

I think I know this one but to be sure about it…

##CALL GM

warlock can’t win by predicting their own DK, right? They die before winning and hence lose?

[brainbomb]

I think I know this one but to be sure about it…

##CALL GM

warlock can’t win by predicting their own DK, right? They die before winning and hence lose?

I already asked this…

[brainbomb]

Cant rob the man of his dignity.
Me first
Then vecna

##vote brainbomb
##end

[brainbomb]

Oh sorry

MEESA GONNA DIE ANNIE???

[brainbomb]

even though i sorta wanna interfere in the insufferable post-game chat that is about to unfold, I will let this play out the way it plays out.

Good luck town.

##vote Vecna
##end

Insufferable is likely accurate. Im sure none of it will be directed at you, and to be clear I am not mad at you im annoyed that this scenario was even possible.

[ND]

lol jar jar

[worcej]

even though i sorta wanna interfere in the insufferable post-game chat that is about to unfold, I will let this play out the way it plays out.

Good luck town.

##vote Vecna
##end

Insufferable is likely accurate. Im sure none of it will be directed at you, and to be clear I am not mad at you im annoyed that this scenario was even possible.

FWIW, I love the inclusion of 3p roles occasionally and I think Jamie designed it well to make it a legitimate threat that needed to be dealt with.

[worcej]

If we only cared about ensuring a “true mafia experience”, we would only play vanilla games.

[brainbomb]

Yea, ND and I did the best we could but this is gonna be a quick ending I think

[Jamiet99uk]

I think I know this one but to be sure about it…

##CALL GM

warlock can’t win by predicting their own DK, right? They die before winning and hence lose?

This was asked already

Neither 3P can win by dying.

[Vecna]

brainbomb has apparently confirmed Vecna is the witch. I don't think Vecna thought his claim out very well, though. I don't agree it is a 50/50 situation for town, because there is no reason for us to let Vecna take a 50/50 shot at foodcoats when foodcoats is able to tell us whether we need to DK Vecna today or not.

We need to DK brainbomb and Vecna, the order only matters if foodcoats protected himself N5. foodcoats is voting for Vecna, so I will take that as a clue, unless foodcoats says otherwise.

##VOTE Vecna

if he was roleblocked he can self-save regardless.

You can confirm this with the GM

I actually did and you’re wrong.

jamiet literally told me thats how it works

[ND]

Brainbomb really cracks me up lol.

[ND]

and btw 3p roles are awesome and they have always been around in Mafia games.

I think Jam did a good job in designing the game. I'm actually thinking about putting together a proposal for the Mafia Council myself.

@Darg, remind me after the game about that in case I forget.