MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[brainbomb]

##Vote for Game to end as a draw

[ND]

I actually left my living room, where my kids are now plugged into Bluey, to come to my PC to type this out versus using my phone and getting annoyed while doing it.

After reading the posts so far, this post is aimed at Spirit, food, and ND - who I believe are the remaining town with me. GT, mark my words (and lawlz at me if I am wrong - post-game will tell me the truth when I get there)

My conclusion on all of what's happened this phase is the following:

• 3p!Vecna is making the best move he can to give him the best chance to win. He has concluded that scum are keeping food alive, a pretty well established clear at this point (no CC from anyone else), alive because they are concerned about killing him and then their PR dying and they then lose. By keeping food alive, they ensure 3p cannot win.
• The fact that food is alive still boosts the credibility of Vecna's claim. Unless scum think food is a dogshit player, I've never seen a scum team keep a semi-clear player alive over a VT who had people scumming him (ghug). The 3p existence, and their potential to know that it's a witch via schenanigans, is the most likely explanation for why food is alive now.
• Vecna's potential information could end the game for scum, thus this offer impacts them the most. There's a lot of hypotheticals here and Vecna may not have all the information he is indicating he does, but he most likely does know 1 or 2 VTs, which narrows the pool of POE down significantly. He also is offering up their last PR specifically, so it'd be down to that last one player to pull this game off (if even possible)
• It is perfectly in the realm of reason that Vecna could be lying here. Quite frankly, I expect him to be lying a little bit. But, the second bullet does lead me to believe he isn't the warlock here. I've made the GM calls and several comments piecing together how he got the potential information.

So that's my list of what's happening - effectively what got us here. Here is my conclusion on what happens:

• By accepting Vecna's offer, we (the town) point a gun at scum and force them to make a move. Mafia, ultimately, boils down to town usually making uninformed decisions and deducing who is the bad guys and (hopefully) eliminating them. We usually fuck this up because of one or two people and thus scum win at the end. Based off how this game has been going, and this is solely my own opinion, idk if town is going to be able to unify to accomplish a win because of the amount of people scumming me and I am a VT.
  
  So, in this case, what makes Vecna's offer unique (and hilarious to me) is this:
  1. If Vecna is telling the truth and is the witch - scum have to be the kingmaker. Do they side with town to spite Vecna or do they give the game to Vecna? Usually this is forced upon town when we've effectively lost, but we're not there yet - also adding more credibility to Vecna FWIW - and there is still a chance all 3 parties can win. I'll let you piece the details together yourself here, as I don't want to help the scum out lol...
  2. If Vecna is lying and is the Warlock - scum know he is lying in this case and, to prevent town from giving the game to Vecna, they must out one of themselves by calling Vecna's shit out.
• Based off above, I believe the best strategy scum can employ right now is to try to push the narrative that Vecna is the Warlock, regardless of being factual or not. The Warlock is the big bad boogie-man of win-now mode and the remaining 2 scum need to invalidate Vecna's offer as much as possible to damage control. It's in their best interest to promote this attack. For this reason, and the posting being done so far, I believe the last scum pair is brain and bozo.

And for the sake of addressing the attacks at me:

• Scum!worcej would never in my lifetime have made the amount of posts to confirm the information with GM calls to piece this shit together. I would've done the same exact shit as BB and bozo - push the warlock narrative exclusively to invalidate the offer from Vecna.
• In a vacuum, the offer does force a 50/50-ish situation for town to win, but I feel those odds are better because of the amount of people mistakenly scumming me. I am actively addressing the issues you guys have with my gameplay right now, but consistently I am being flagged as scummy for my reasoning (recently food's comments) and then meta attacks. There are very few actual "you did this this game, thus scummy" lines outside of BB's manipulation/conspiracy thoughts. I am at a loss for why you'd think scum!worcej would do any of this analysis or entertain Vecna's offer if you really think this through. The only thing I can come up with is you think I'm trying to do a crazy game changing ploy, but if you've been scum with me, you know I like to be a puppeteer and manipulate things subtley, not with some fucking nutty play like this.

Alright - wall post done. Hopefully you read it and get where my head is at.

Quoting to bring this back for emphasis, as I think BB is trying to drown it currently.

Quoting this for you @Worcej
-I read through it. It more or less lines up with my thoughts.
-I will respond in detail later.
-Don't let Brainbomb's pathetic crying distract you or anyone else from the game.

[brainbomb]

We put alot of time and investment into this game and I feel that this is quite against the spirit of the game and completely unfair to how the game has played out. Value of winning over just having fun and improving your skills is quite strange. Unless you just hate other people and just wanna win at any cost

[brainbomb]

You signed up for mafia not a festival of dunking on brainbomb when hes playing well.

[ND]

I'm not in favor of a draw at this time. Town can win. We just have to go 3 for 3.
-We are already 2/3 of the way there and I suspect that Bozo is your partner although I'm not ruling Spirit out at this time.

You can certainly concede though Brain. It would be infinitely better than reading these pathetic crying posts that you are doing.

[brainbomb]

In multiball mafia the game was down to bozo vs sabi vs flying boat and later game was ruled a tie because of confusing wording in how f3 would play.

I think the setup was fun but probably broken with a 3p with an untenable wincon and the ability to throw the game for one side. So mechanically this is a draw that will likely be ruled a draw post game anyway

[ND]

You signed up for mafia not a festival of dunking on brainbomb when hes playing well.

lol i'm dying laughing

[brainbomb]

I anticipate a warning for that post lol

I mean im not mad at you, NDs community bashing posts are pretty bad though.

[brainbomb]

Again, if the game is a campaign for who deserves to win I would campaign for a tied outcome. Mafia outplayed town here and vecna shouldnt have to lose

[ND]

That's up to the council and the GM's I suppose if they want to scrub the game.
-I'm retired from the Council, but based on what I know if a game is approved then it's approved for play.
-They haven't said anything otherwise so stop trying to game the GM's or Council dude. That's against the spirit of the game.

[worcej]

I anticipate a warning for that post lol

I mean im not mad at you, NDs community bashing posts are pretty bad though.

Oh, I don't think the warning is for being mean but more being graphically inappropriate lol

[ND]

@Brain: Sorry you lost cupcake. Sign up for the next one and try again. Maybe you'll get a buttercup and it will make you feel good. At the end of the day it's just a forum game.

[brainbomb]

I think mafia out performed town here. Mafia was able to avoid pressure and were it not for a 3p role mafia wins this position 9/10 games. Look within and ask yourself did you play well? Does vecna just deserve to lose?

If youre willing to throw the game his way then why not just vote for a draw and move on

[brainbomb]

I anticipate a warning for that post lol

I mean im not mad at you, NDs community bashing posts are pretty bad though.

Oh, I don't think the warning is for being mean but more being graphically inappropriate lol

Eh we’ll see. They may say im unfit to be on the council or something which is fine.

[worcej]

Again, if the game is a campaign for who deserves to win I would campaign for a tied outcome. Mafia outplayed town here and vecna shouldnt have to lose

I mean, did you really outplay us?

I had you pegged fairly easily and backed off because your emotional outbursts. After will's flip, I choose to look elsewhere because of that previous interaction where you weaponized feelings to invalidate my scumming you.

If we're going to talk openly about "skill", imho you utilized some underhanded moves to get anti-scum read that you should really consider not employing.

[brainbomb]

@Brain: Sorry you lost cupcake. Sign up for the next one and try again. Maybe you'll get a buttercup and it will make you feel good. At the end of the day it's just a forum game.

The thing is I feel like I actually played far better than you and you would not even be talking about me or voting me if not for vecna.

[brainbomb]

Again, if the game is a campaign for who deserves to win I would campaign for a tied outcome. Mafia outplayed town here and vecna shouldnt have to lose

I mean, did you really outplay us?

I had you pegged fairly easily and backed off because your emotional outbursts. After will's flip, I choose to look elsewhere because of that previous interaction where you weaponized feelings to invalidate my scumming you.

If we're going to talk openly about "skill", imho you utilized some underhanded moves to get anti-scum read that you should really consider not employing.

No but the fact I worked my way out of pressure into being townread is how I played well

[ND]

I think mafia out performed town here. Mafia was able to avoid pressure and were it not for a 3p role mafia wins this position 9/10 games. Look within and ask yourself did you play well? Does vecna just deserve to lose?

If youre willing to throw the game his way then why not just vote for a draw and move on

Nah. I'm in this game and if I am around this long then I solve it. I play my best when I am VT. Should of known keeping me alive was a mistake. Oh well, I guess you learned your lesson cupcake.

[brainbomb]

Maybe but that would be something youd be annoyed by post game after youd lost if not for a 3p. So once again; were on the subject of winning at what cost. Im saying give me a tie also

[brainbomb]

And yes you were onto me but others werent. And I got will, ghug and rhk and food to all stop pushing me.