MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[worcej]

I actually left my living room, where my kids are now plugged into Bluey, to come to my PC to type this out versus using my phone and getting annoyed while doing it.

After reading the posts so far, this post is aimed at Spirit, food, and ND - who I believe are the remaining town with me. GT, mark my words (and lawlz at me if I am wrong - post-game will tell me the truth when I get there)

My conclusion on all of what's happened this phase is the following:

• 3p!Vecna is making the best move he can to give him the best chance to win. He has concluded that scum are keeping food alive, a pretty well established clear at this point (no CC from anyone else), alive because they are concerned about killing him and then their PR dying and they then lose. By keeping food alive, they ensure 3p cannot win.
• The fact that food is alive still boosts the credibility of Vecna's claim. Unless scum think food is a dogshit player, I've never seen a scum team keep a semi-clear player alive over a VT who had people scumming him (ghug). The 3p existence, and their potential to know that it's a witch via schenanigans, is the most likely explanation for why food is alive now.
• Vecna's potential information could end the game for scum, thus this offer impacts them the most. There's a lot of hypotheticals here and Vecna may not have all the information he is indicating he does, but he most likely does know 1 or 2 VTs, which narrows the pool of POE down significantly. He also is offering up their last PR specifically, so it'd be down to that last one player to pull this game off (if even possible)
• It is perfectly in the realm of reason that Vecna could be lying here. Quite frankly, I expect him to be lying a little bit. But, the second bullet does lead me to believe he isn't the warlock here. I've made the GM calls and several comments piecing together how he got the potential information.

So that's my list of what's happening - effectively what got us here. Here is my conclusion on what happens:

• By accepting Vecna's offer, we (the town) point a gun at scum and force them to make a move. Mafia, ultimately, boils down to town usually making uninformed decisions and deducing who is the bad guys and (hopefully) eliminating them. We usually fuck this up because of one or two people and thus scum win at the end. Based off how this game has been going, and this is solely my own opinion, idk if town is going to be able to unify to accomplish a win because of the amount of people scumming me and I am a VT.
  
  So, in this case, what makes Vecna's offer unique (and hilarious to me) is this:
  1. If Vecna is telling the truth and is the witch - scum have to be the kingmaker. Do they side with town to spite Vecna or do they give the game to Vecna? Usually this is forced upon town when we've effectively lost, but we're not there yet - also adding more credibility to Vecna FWIW - and there is still a chance all 3 parties can win. I'll let you piece the details together yourself here, as I don't want to help the scum out lol...
  2. If Vecna is lying and is the Warlock - scum know he is lying in this case and, to prevent town from giving the game to Vecna, they must out one of themselves by calling Vecna's shit out.
• Based off above, I believe the best strategy scum can employ right now is to try to push the narrative that Vecna is the Warlock, regardless of being factual or not. The Warlock is the big bad boogie-man of win-now mode and the remaining 2 scum need to invalidate Vecna's offer as much as possible to damage control. It's in their best interest to promote this attack. For this reason, and the posting being done so far, I believe the last scum pair is brain and bozo.

And for the sake of addressing the attacks at me:

• Scum!worcej would never in my lifetime have made the amount of posts to confirm the information with GM calls to piece this shit together. I would've done the same exact shit as BB and bozo - push the warlock narrative exclusively to invalidate the offer from Vecna.
• In a vacuum, the offer does force a 50/50-ish situation for town to win, but I feel those odds are better because of the amount of people mistakenly scumming me. I am actively addressing the issues you guys have with my gameplay right now, but consistently I am being flagged as scummy for my reasoning (recently food's comments) and then meta attacks. There are very few actual "you did this this game, thus scummy" lines outside of BB's manipulation/conspiracy thoughts. I am at a loss for why you'd think scum!worcej would do any of this analysis or entertain Vecna's offer if you really think this through. The only thing I can come up with is you think I'm trying to do a crazy game changing ploy, but if you've been scum with me, you know I like to be a puppeteer and manipulate things subtley, not with some fucking nutty play like this.

Alright - wall post done. Hopefully you read it and get where my head is at.

[brainbomb]

I think to characterize my day as pushing the warlock narrative is probably the farthest thing from the truth youve said all game. Bozo makes sense as scum, im voting him. He cant be town if you are.

[worcej]

I'll even dangle this shit publicly for the sake of disclosure:

The only conspiracy theory bullshit I see possible at this point is Vecna is scum and BB is the 3P trying desperately to call that out.

In this case, Vecna's fucked himself during next phase after we kill BB now.

[worcej]

I think to characterize my day as pushing the warlock narrative is probably the farthest thing from the truth youve said all game. Bozo makes sense as scum, im voting him. He cant be town if you are.

You've gone to a massive amount of effort to invalidate Vecna with a wide variety of theories. It's the same effect as pushing Warlock narrative.

[brainbomb]

Furthermore youve proposed a strategy where town and mafia both just want the other side not to win so badly that theyd violate their own wincons to ensure that happens. And when I proposed an alternative that we all just for a tie you used that against me also, which is also not a spirited way to compete regardless of my alignment

[brainbomb]

I think to characterize my day as pushing the warlock narrative is probably the farthest thing from the truth youve said all game. Bozo makes sense as scum, im voting him. He cant be town if you are.

You've gone to a massive amount of effort to invalidate Vecna with a wide variety of theories. It's the same effect as pushing Warlock narrative.

Yes, invalidating a third party claim how shameful of me

[brainbomb]

I think to characterize my day as pushing the warlock narrative is probably the farthest thing from the truth youve said all game. Bozo makes sense as scum, im voting him. He cant be town if you are.

You've gone to a massive amount of effort to invalidate Vecna with a wide variety of theories. It's the same effect as pushing Warlock narrative.

However rationally you want to present it, this is just beyond ridiculous.

[worcej]

I think to characterize my day as pushing the warlock narrative is probably the farthest thing from the truth youve said all game. Bozo makes sense as scum, im voting him. He cant be town if you are.

You've gone to a massive amount of effort to invalidate Vecna with a wide variety of theories. It's the same effect as pushing Warlock narrative.

Yes, invalidating a third party claim how shameful of me

Scum are more motivated to do this than town are.

[brainbomb]

Ill keep talking and you can read my posts and thats how its going to be.

[worcej]

I think to characterize my day as pushing the warlock narrative is probably the farthest thing from the truth youve said all game. Bozo makes sense as scum, im voting him. He cant be town if you are.

You've gone to a massive amount of effort to invalidate Vecna with a wide variety of theories. It's the same effect as pushing Warlock narrative.

However rationally you want to present it, this is just beyond ridiculous.

Continuing the invalidation methodology

[brainbomb]

You were not even scumreading me into today. You would never even be voting me today. You would be off doing god knows what and barely even paying attention.

[worcej]

Ill keep talking and you can read my posts and thats how its going to be.

I'm fine with you talking, it just continues to prove my point as you spew conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory.

[brainbomb]

Whatever vecna is doing, if its pro town and he is a PR its weaponized you and ND into rambo mode

[worcej]

You were not even scumreading me into today. You would never even be voting me today. You would be off doing god knows what and barely even paying attention.

How would you know what I would've been doing this phase?

Like, no joke, this is a stupid line of attack here.

[brainbomb]

Ill keep talking and you can read my posts and thats how its going to be.

I'm fine with you talking, it just continues to prove my point as you spew conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory.

This is just such a shitty way to characterize effort, you didnt even engage with any of my thoughts either

[worcej]

Whatever vecna is doing, if its pro town and he is a PR its weaponized you and ND into rambo mode

I don't think Vecna's doing something to be pro-town.

He's doing something to be pro-Vecna. I'm just utilizing it as best as I can because I fundamentally have zero faith in town coming together.

[brainbomb]

You were not even scumreading me into today. You would never even be voting me today. You would be off doing god knows what and barely even paying attention.

How would you know what I would've been doing this phase?

Like, no joke, this is a stupid line of attack here.

You opened the day calling me town saying youd never be voting me

[brainbomb]

Whatever vecna is doing, if its pro town and he is a PR its weaponized you and ND into rambo mode

I don't think Vecna's doing something to be pro-town.

He's doing something to be pro-Vecna. I'm just utilizing it as best as I can because I fundamentally have zero faith in town coming together.

Youre not though, youre waiting mouth open for a big vecna load facial

[worcej]

Ill keep talking and you can read my posts and thats how its going to be.

I'm fine with you talking, it just continues to prove my point as you spew conspiracy theory after conspiracy theory.

This is just such a shitty way to characterize effort, you didnt even engage with any of my thoughts either

I effectively engaged with them via disagreement, you just expect engagement to mean I post with or at you.

[worcej]

You were not even scumreading me into today. You would never even be voting me today. You would be off doing god knows what and barely even paying attention.

How would you know what I would've been doing this phase?

Like, no joke, this is a stupid line of attack here.

You opened the day calling me town saying youd never be voting me

And then Vecna dropped a fucking atom bomb and I watched you lose your shit lol