MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[ND]

I suppose it lines up with Brainbomb's stunning midnight mafioso confessions.

[worcej]

alright time for some more disclosure.

I visited the mafia lie detector N1. I will talk about all the mechanics involved in a bit. I redirected the action to [REDACTED].

On all subsequent nights i visited townies (VT's). And have not been able to redirect anything. Last night i visited foodcoats to 100% guarantee no shenanigans took place there. I couldve let him self-heal but that wouldnt have helped, because sadly for my role, regardless of whether he gets roleblocked, or bewitched to self-heal, he can just self-heal again the next night.

So you’re really just setting the game up now to force scum to kingmake you?

[brainbomb]

We could all vote for a draw given that the game is not really mafia anymore.

[worcej]

We could all vote for a draw given that the game is not really mafia anymore.

I knew you were scum

[worcej]

##vote brain

[worcej]

I am still willing to go for it Vecna.

That last bit of information pretty much spells out to me what you’re hoping to happen and it’s entirely dependent on the last scum after we flip whoever you targeted (probably BB)

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT

brainbomb (2) - ND, worcej.

Just over 32 hours are left in the day.

[brainbomb]

If we operate under the theory that the scum team has been highly efficient in taking out PR's then barring the exception of the ridiculously stupid Bunny kill then we have to consider the team as: Brain/Bozo. Brain with his obsession of finding PR's in any game regardless of his alignment is a natural fit for this and Bozo is a smart guy.

The other theory that I have been playing around with is that Worcej just went for broke D1 as scum. Played an insane game and got pretty town read for it. Although I think this is kind of hard to believe. In this scenario, his partner could be either Brain or Bozo. Hard to say. Occam's razor, this scenario probably is false.

Thus, if the team is Brain/Bozo then it would make sense that they wouldn't kill Worcej if Worcej is town. He never claimed under pressure and stated his role was useless which would check out with him being a VT. Thus, they left him around as a semi-soft cleared town candidate and focused on shooting in the dark then picked some tells up later that allowed them to make some efficient shots. They never took me out because I made it fairly clear that I also was a VT when I was a leading candidate at 20 minutes to go and never claimed to be a PR.

So I think we can pretty much deduce this down to a Bozo/Brain team that's left standing although I could be wrong.

Operating under the assumption it is Bozo-Brain as the Scumteam and Vecna as Witch with the caveat that Vecna is probably one day elimination away from winning the game.

Honestly I would rather have Vecna win than Bozo-Brain. So, that's my position on it.

For us to win (Food, Spirit, Worcej) we would have to pull a hat trick and be 100% correct on the next three eliminations. If we are wrong on one of Bozo-Brain then it's GG.

Interested in what the rest of you have to say on it (mainly the people I think are town: Worcej, Spirit, Food).

This seems transparently agenda driven to shut down meta and criticise anyone for using this website to gather details about people. The progression seems angry all along which fits with 3p who thinks they cant win without alot of help

[brainbomb]

A vote based on meta is worth nothing.


#make web derp mafia great again

The idea of a d1 verifiable alignment statement is so stupid. One of the stupidest things I've ever read on this website. Probably something Ghug or Bozo came up with.

#make web Dip mafia great agaiN

Vecna is very suspicious to me for other unelaborated reasons I want comment on now. He is the driver of the Worcej wagon. His vote starts the cascade. He doesn’t follow through with it which indicates that he doesn’t really have a strong reference between Wagon B (Red) or Wagon D (Worcej). Same goes for the town solicitor Mimi, the consensus builder, who follows Vecna between wagons. For someone who never indicated a reason for voting Worcej they did vote Worcej and then moved back to Red, but through following Vecna.

I will look at this pairing / Vecna - Mimi / in a later post. If the theory holds that the scum team is disinterested in the wagons for most of the day because no one on their team is actually a wagon then it doesn't matter to them if Worcej or Red dies. Vecna sees Worcej say he will force a tie, starts a cascade then switches back to Red at the end. If Worcej is town, which I suspect, then it doesn't matter which of Red and Worcej dies if Vecna is mafia which I suspect.

Brain bases most of his opinions around pseudo ‘histories’ from this website and spreadsheets and other elements from legacy games in the community. He can ramble about this stuff all day long, but it doesn’t matter. Each game is a new game. People can change. People can play differently. When you approach the game with an eye to the past without considering the here and now you are not playing effectively. Other complications arise when you use this stuff to inform decisions and then guard yourself with them. If people played in such a way then it would easily give a scum team member something to clutch onto without offering anything of value to the current game.

His preferences guided discussion. He was fine with either Wagon A (me) or Wagon B (dip and warfare) as stated. He softed another wagon (Spirit) and this was also considered by Will. These guys were fine with the options for most of the day which feeds into the theory that there wasn’t movement because the town was fairly locked in on hunches and the scum team wasn’t under threat. Will-Brain are a possible alternative pairing.

Oh man, this is too funny.

God dang. Truly, your epic meltdown tonight has earned a place in those prized meta histories of the mafia community on this website that you so cherish. Make sure you reference yourself next time you give anyone a history lesson.

Jesus this is funny. You literally gave yourself up to a VT Brain. Hilarious.

[brainbomb]

This fits the profile of the outsider me vs them mentality

[bozotheclown]

alright time for some more disclosure.

I visited the mafia lie detector N1. I will talk about all the mechanics involved in a bit. I redirected the action to [REDACTED].

On all subsequent nights i visited townies (VT's). And have not been able to redirect anything. Last night i visited foodcoats to 100% guarantee no shenanigans took place there. I couldve let him self-heal but that wouldnt have helped, because sadly for my role, regardless of whether he gets roleblocked, or bewitched to self-heal, he can just self-heal again the next night.

DemonRHK said he RBed you N2, does that not affect the witch?

[Vecna]

alright time for some more disclosure.

I visited the mafia lie detector N1. I will talk about all the mechanics involved in a bit. I redirected the action to [REDACTED].

On all subsequent nights i visited townies (VT's). And have not been able to redirect anything. Last night i visited foodcoats to 100% guarantee no shenanigans took place there. I couldve let him self-heal but that wouldnt have helped, because sadly for my role, regardless of whether he gets roleblocked, or bewitched to self-heal, he can just self-heal again the next night.

DemonRHK said he RBed you N2, does that not affect the witch?

it does not. I choose my targets during the day, and learn their availlable action at the start of night.

A roleblock on my target might interfere with my interference.

[bozotheclown]

##CALL GM: Can the witch action be RBed?

[brainbomb]

miminena (6) DemonRHK brainbomb kingofthepirates ghug foodcoats Vecna
DemonRHK (3) ND bozotheclown SpiritoftheRadio
brainbomb (2) JustAGuyNamedWill worcej
kingofthepirates (1) miminena

We know that if vecna is VT then both mafia are on the RHK wagon
If Vecna is actually 3p then mafia is fanned out.

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM: Can the witch action be RBed?

Do you mean the Witch's day action to select a target?
Or do you mean the Witch's night action to redirect their target's night action?

[brainbomb]

killpool for the day atm is; D&W, Foodcoats, Bunnygo

Reasons for bunnygo is that weakass catchup poststreak. He does not seem involved in the game at all. Does not feel like he has any stake/opinion in anything and he's just coasting along.

Im not fully convinced ND is town whatsoever, but plenty of people are null atm, and it feels those 3 are actually quite good kills compared to it.

Not really sure how it falls in between 3p/scum probability, but im fine just going ahead with killing scummy people.

This is Vecnas kill pool after allegedly visiting maf lie detector N1

Either Vecna is just vt and this is all amusing

Or

vecna visited food and knows food is actually maf lie detector?
Or its just scum ND based on this.

##vote ND

[Jamiet99uk]

##CALL GM: Can the witch action be RBed?

Do you mean the Witch's day action to select a target?
Or do you mean the Witch's night action to redirect their target's night action?

Let me answer for both.

For the first, no.
For the second, potentially, yes.

[bozotheclown]

alright time for some more disclosure.

I visited the mafia lie detector N1. I will talk about all the mechanics involved in a bit. I redirected the action to [REDACTED].

On all subsequent nights i visited townies (VT's). And have not been able to redirect anything. Last night i visited foodcoats to 100% guarantee no shenanigans took place there. I couldve let him self-heal but that wouldnt have helped, because sadly for my role, regardless of whether he gets roleblocked, or bewitched to self-heal, he can just self-heal again the next night.

DemonRHK said he RBed you N2, does that not affect the witch?

it does not. I choose my targets during the day, and learn their availlable action at the start of night.

A roleblock on my target might interfere with my interference.

I don't see how you would know the difference between a VT and a mafia goon, where you specifically told you targeted VTs?

[brainbomb]

##vote foodcoats

This feels pretty right and less predicatable

This is bizarre. Can food actually be scum or 3p here and vecna is weak doc who inno’d almost the entire player pool?

[ND]

Brain we already have your mafioso confessions. Just concede. Give it up.

I'm not 3p. I am a VT.

All your meta analysis got you exactly nothing in the end. Nothing. That's why that kind of quackery is useless and ALSO let me point out to EVERYONE who is reading.. this a horrible way to town read someone. As we can see with Brainbomb it gives scum a chance to hide in past games instead of focusing on the here and now.

Your done. Now tell us who your partner is so we can be done with this game.

How does that Pecan Pie taste?