MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[ND]

okay

[ND]

this got interesting

[ND]

absolutely do not end vote. This warrants some thought and consideration.

[bozotheclown]

town has a choice now.

Kill me and face the 5way with 2 unknown scum (I do not favor your odds, but I would applaud some bravery here and for you to prove me wrong).

Or convince me that you'll play ball, and kill the scum PR so everyone still has a shot at victory.

You can do your due dilligence and ask the gm's about all the mechanics surrounding killing foodcoats role, and how the repeated targetting works with roleblocks and redirecting. I have already deduced I need to get the remaining mafia PR killed by a daykill, and then take the correct gamble on the 2 subsequent nights when foodcoats cannot self-target. I like those odds more than betting on scum being foolish enough to nightkill foodcoats while I still live, hence this current approach.

If we DK who you claim is the mafia PR, I don't understand how you get foodcoats NKed to win.

[ND]

There are a lot of mechanics involved with the witch role if that is what Vecna is claiming and it is also extremely likely that he is on the edge of winning this.

I need to read his posts again. I will soon.

Scum pool: Bozo, Brain, Spirit, Worcej
3p/Witch: Vecna
Town: me, Food

It's likely that Spirit is town as well which leaves the pool at: Bozo, Brain, Worcej.

If we operate under the theory that the scum team has been highly efficient in taking out PR's then barring the exception of the ridiculously stupid Bunny kill then we have to consider the team as: Brain/Bozo. Brain with his obsession of finding PR's in any game regardless of his alignment is a natural fit for this and Bozo is a smart guy.

The other theory that I have been playing around with is that Worcej just went for broke D1 as scum. Played an insane game and got pretty town read for it. Although I think this is kind of hard to believe. In this scenario, his partner could be either Brain or Bozo. Hard to say. Occam's razor, this scenario probably is false.

Thus, if the team is Brain/Bozo then it would make sense that they wouldn't kill Worcej if Worcej is town. He never claimed under pressure and stated his role was useless which would check out with him being a VT. Thus, they left him around as a semi-soft cleared town candidate and focused on shooting in the dark then picked some tells up later that allowed them to make some efficient shots. They never took me out because I made it fairly clear that I also was a VT when I was a leading candidate at 20 minutes to go and never claimed to be a PR.

So I think we can pretty much deduce this down to a Bozo/Brain team that's left standing although I could be wrong.

Operating under the assumption it is Bozo-Brain as the Scumteam and Vecna as Witch with the caveat that Vecna is probably one day elimination away from winning the game.

Honestly I would rather have Vecna win than Bozo-Brain. So, that's my position on it.

For us to win (Food, Spirit, Worcej) we would have to pull a hat trick and be 100% correct on the next three eliminations. If we are wrong on one of Bozo-Brain then it's GG.

Interested in what the rest of you have to say on it (mainly the people I think are town: Worcej, Spirit, Food).

[ND]

I will be shocked if Vecna floats a day elimination target that is not one of Bozo or Brain.

We really can't do much more than wait at this point for whatever he says next.

Although if anyone actually wants to engage in trying to game solve this then I am down to do it.

[ND]

I need to keep thinking it over. I'll post more tomorrow. Interested in what the rest of you have to say. Definitely a bit more interested in this now.

It got spicy.

[worcej]

I think I have been pretty clear I support going along with Vecna, regardless if he is witch and telling the truth or Warlock and lying.

Both directions take agency away from scum (which I love btw) and in the case that Vecna is lying, scum have to CC him to ensure the game doesn’t outright end now.

[bozotheclown]

I think I have been pretty clear I support going along with Vecna, regardless if he is witch and telling the truth or Warlock and lying.

Both directions take agency away from scum (which I love btw) and in the case that Vecna is lying, scum have to CC him to ensure the game doesn’t outright end now.

I am not clear on how Vecna could win if what he is saying is true and he really names the mafia PR.

[brainbomb]

I think based on what ND is saying he is mafia here and not 3p. So assuming my theory is right vecna is vt here and 3p is bozo or spirit.

[brainbomb]

But people are drawing lines in the sand already so this is going to be a very interesting day.

[brainbomb]

I think I have been pretty clear I support going along with Vecna, regardless if he is witch and telling the truth or Warlock and lying.

Both directions take agency away from scum (which I love btw) and in the case that Vecna is lying, scum have to CC him to ensure the game doesn’t outright end now.

This seems a bit too performative. Mafia doesnt have agency basically ever, theyre always just trying to hide and survive so to say that vecna is taking that away shows you didnt even consider he could just be vt who is reallllly that bored.

[brainbomb]

So yeah, I am /in @Vecna

Like I’ve said, I am still Jaded from the civilization game where I was the SK and the scum outted me and prevented me from having a shot at winning.

I would prefer a 3P wins over scum anyday

I mean thats great but again, youre assuming way too Much and it feels like a scumtell.

[brainbomb]

I will be shocked if Vecna floats a day elimination target that is not one of Bozo or Brain.

We really can't do much more than wait at this point for whatever he says next.

Although if anyone actually wants to engage in trying to game solve this then I am down to do it.

This my friends is absolutely the real 3p

[brainbomb]

I think based on what ND is saying he is mafia here and not 3p. So assuming my theory is right vecna is vt here and 3p is bozo or spirit.

The fact hes listing me and bozo makes it more likely 3p and not scum. Is my guess here

[worcej]

I think I have been pretty clear I support going along with Vecna, regardless if he is witch and telling the truth or Warlock and lying.

Both directions take agency away from scum (which I love btw) and in the case that Vecna is lying, scum have to CC him to ensure the game doesn’t outright end now.

This seems a bit too performative. Mafia doesnt have agency basically ever, theyre always just trying to hide and survive so to say that vecna is taking that away shows you didnt even consider he could just be vt who is reallllly that bored.

So you think I am scum and I am just being nice so that Vecna wouldn’t potentially finger me here?

I don’t see why a VT!Vecna would do this. He isn’t Chaqa or Tom Bomb

[worcej]

So yeah, I am /in @Vecna

Like I’ve said, I am still Jaded from the civilization game where I was the SK and the scum outted me and prevented me from having a shot at winning.

I would prefer a 3P wins over scum anyday

I mean thats great but again, youre assuming way too Much and it feels like a scumtell.

How am I scum here? Lol

[brainbomb]

Its called a squeeze. Its a really good play in a dire situation because it gets people talking who werent talking. Its pro town but not for the reasons you mentioned which all seem to be some personal thing you had from a game in like 2017

[brainbomb]

So yeah, I am /in @Vecna

Like I’ve said, I am still Jaded from the civilization game where I was the SK and the scum outted me and prevented me from having a shot at winning.

I would prefer a 3P wins over scum anyday

I mean thats great but again, youre assuming way too Much and it feels like a scumtell.

How am I scum here? Lol

Im still processing the “how” lol

[worcej]

I think I have been pretty clear I support going along with Vecna, regardless if he is witch and telling the truth or Warlock and lying.

Both directions take agency away from scum (which I love btw) and in the case that Vecna is lying, scum have to CC him to ensure the game doesn’t outright end now.

I am not clear on how Vecna could win if what he is saying is true and he really names the mafia PR.

He takes control of the mafia player and tries to NK food. It all comes down to how the scum choose to execute their RB (they could RB themselves and thus cancel the kill out) and if scum don’t, it comes down to if food can save himself.