MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[Vecna]

I thought you were joking but there is no way in this world we would take that offer just to give you a chance.

Its a tradeoff

You increase my chances to win.

In return, I increase towns chances to win by roughy 300-400%

I mean, I could kingmake you in an instance and cause you to win as well.

I couldve kingmade mafia by just voting out a townie today.

Im trying to win myself.

The choice is yours. But its not a bad deal im offering. Everyone can win.

[worcej]

I thought you were joking but there is no way in this world we would take that offer just to give you a chance.

Its a tradeoff

You increase my chances to win.

In return, I increase towns chances to win by roughy 300-400%

I mean, I could kingmake you in an instance and cause you to win as well.

I couldve kingmade mafia by just voting out a townie today.

Im trying to win myself.

The choice is yours. But its not a bad deal im offering. Everyone can win.

I need some more from you to want to go this route. Who do you believe is the PR that we need to kill?

I think BB’s reaction is more scummy and you’re protecting him slightly by implying he is town here just in case we do turn you down.

[brainbomb]

I feel like weve lost this game anyway, so if you have some names and ideas ill consider it. Pretty unlikely id trust it to be real since you were basically trying to miskill me all day yesterday.

[Vecna]

I thought you were joking but there is no way in this world we would take that offer just to give you a chance.

Its a tradeoff

You increase my chances to win.

In return, I increase towns chances to win by roughy 300-400%

I mean, I could kingmake you in an instance and cause you to win as well.

I couldve kingmade mafia by just voting out a townie today.

Im trying to win myself.

The choice is yours. But its not a bad deal im offering. Everyone can win.

I need some more from you to want to go this route. Who do you believe is the PR that we need to kill?

I think BB’s reaction is more scummy and you’re protecting him slightly by implying he is town here just in case we do turn you down.

im gonna respond to everyone like im talking to town today.

my strategy wouldnt be much good if you could deduce from my answers who the actual scum are.

Im only gonna out the information if I deem the response favorable enough.

Im not gonna give you all the answers if I feel youre just gonna turn around and daykill me straight away anyway.

Take a girl out to dinner before you try to....well you know

[Jamiet99uk]

##call GM

In the witch description, it says that the witch will be told what actions their target can perform and the witch can then force them to target either themselves (the controlled player) or the witch. I want to explicitly confirm that these are the only two targets a witch can redirect the action to.

In the event that there is only one scum, does this control apply to the scum faction abilities, since they are the only one who could perform these abilities?

No.

You are mis-reading the Witch PM.

The Witch may redirect their target onto any alive player of their choice. The fact that the Witch description mentions self-targeting, etc., is for clarity that the Witch may direct a PR in a way that would not normally be permitted; it is not a restriction which suggests that the Witch can only do that.

[Vecna]

I feel like weve lost this game anyway, so if you have some names and ideas ill consider it. Pretty unlikely id trust it to be real since you were basically trying to miskill me all day yesterday.

Getting the scum PR daykilled today is squarely in my best interest.

Ive already visited him so I cannot puppet him anymore

[worcej]

Its a tradeoff

You increase my chances to win.

In return, I increase towns chances to win by roughy 300-400%

I mean, I could kingmake you in an instance and cause you to win as well.

I couldve kingmade mafia by just voting out a townie today.

Im trying to win myself.

The choice is yours. But its not a bad deal im offering. Everyone can win.

I need some more from you to want to go this route. Who do you believe is the PR that we need to kill?

I think BB’s reaction is more scummy and you’re protecting him slightly by implying he is town here just in case we do turn you down.

im gonna respond to everyone like im talking to town today.

my strategy wouldnt be much good if you could deduce from my answers who the actual scum are.

Im only gonna out the information if I deem the response favorable enough.

Im not gonna give you all the answers if I feel youre just gonna turn around and daykill me straight away anyway.

Take a girl out to dinner before you try to....well you know

TBF, I am probably the one person who almost instantly wants to take your deal because I want a 3P to win a game if possible.

Going public now makes sense. My guess is scum know you’re the witch because you moved the role block onto yourself by selecting their PR on D3, thus you know and scum would know they role-blocked you.

[brainbomb]

Hmm

##unvote

I am willing to see where this goes and what people say. I have a hunch about this and its pretty interesting. Im guessing mafia know who the real 3p is if my hunch is right.

[worcej]

Without your divulging of info, I’ll need GM calls to sort some of the intricacies of this out.

[foodcoats]

Food do you object to purging any of vecna, ND or bozo

I don't know my ups from my downs anymore. Will have to re-read.

But my gut instinct is that Vecna ain't good.

ND seems most good?

And this is based on absolutely nothing.

Yea, imagine arriving at the concept of vecna maybe being evil.

Oh wow I didn't read his claim first lol.

[worcej]

##call GM

In the witch description, it says that the witch will be told what actions their target can perform and the witch can then force them to target either themselves (the controlled player) or the witch. I want to explicitly confirm that these are the only two targets a witch can redirect the action to.

In the event that there is only one scum, does this control apply to the scum faction abilities, since they are the only one who could perform these abilities?

No.

You are mis-reading the Witch PM.

The Witch may redirect their target onto any alive player of their choice. The fact that the Witch description mentions self-targeting, etc., is for clarity that the Witch may direct a PR in a way that would not normally be permitted; it is not a restriction which suggests that the Witch can only do that.

Okay, so this validates that Vecna is going all in to try to get the win in the night phase.

[Vecna]

to be fair, I dont think town takes a lot of risks taking my deal.

without it youre gonna lose tomorrow regardless. youre in no state to get every townplayer alligned to vote scum, and I think you all know it.

if i succeed in upending their game, theyre not that unlikely to just NK me outright as retribution. which also solves a great deal of your problems

[worcej]

to be fair, I dont think town takes a lot of risks taking my deal.

without it youre gonna lose tomorrow regardless. youre in no state to get every townplayer alligned to vote scum, and I think you all know it.

if i succeed in upending their game, theyre not that unlikely to just NK me outright as retribution. which also solves a great deal of your problems

I mean, your effectively wanting to boil this down PR chicken in the night phase.

[foodcoats]

I assume Vecna took control of Matthew Hopkins, witch finder, and believes he knows the other scum via deduction.

[foodcoats]

Required reading:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrzMhU_4m-g&t=183s

[worcej]

##call GM

In the witch description, it says that the witch will be told what actions their target can perform and the witch can then force them to target either themselves (the controlled player) or the witch. I want to explicitly confirm that these are the only two targets a witch can redirect the action to.

In the event that there is only one scum, does this control apply to the scum faction abilities, since they are the only one who could perform these abilities?

No.

You are mis-reading the Witch PM.

The Witch may redirect their target onto any alive player of their choice. The fact that the Witch description mentions self-targeting, etc., is for clarity that the Witch may direct a PR in a way that would not normally be permitted; it is not a restriction which suggests that the Witch can only do that.

##call GM

You did not discuss the interaction of the faction abilities and the final scum being controlled via the witch

[worcej]

I assume Vecna took control of Matthew Hopkins, witch finder, and believes he knows the other scum via deduction.

Yes, this makes the most sense.

[Vecna]

Without your divulging of info, I’ll need GM calls to sort some of the intricacies of this out.

theres quite many.

I need to refrain from saying too much at this stage.

[Jamiet99uk]

##call GM

In the witch description, it says that the witch will be told what actions their target can perform and the witch can then force them to target either themselves (the controlled player) or the witch. I want to explicitly confirm that these are the only two targets a witch can redirect the action to.

In the event that there is only one scum, does this control apply to the scum faction abilities, since they are the only one who could perform these abilities?

No.

You are mis-reading the Witch PM.

The Witch may redirect their target onto any alive player of their choice. The fact that the Witch description mentions self-targeting, etc., is for clarity that the Witch may direct a PR in a way that would not normally be permitted; it is not a restriction which suggests that the Witch can only do that.

##call GM

You did not discuss the interaction of the faction abilities and the final scum being controlled via the witch

In the event that:

i) There is only one Mafia left, and there is a Witch alive who has not previously targeted that Mafia, and the Witch has not already won,

and:

ii) The Witch targets that Mafia player during the day,

then:

The Witch will be able to redirect the Mafia NK during the immediately following night.

The Mafia Roleblock cannot be redirected in that scenario because the Witch can only redirect one action and the killing action takes precedence in that situation.

Ok?

[foodcoats]

Without your divulging of info, I’ll need GM calls to sort some of the intricacies of this out.

theres quite many.

I need to refrain from saying too much at this stage.

This witch wants to be wined and dined.