MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

food how did you get to scum brain? Is there a post you can link or something?

[miminena]

with this NK i'm honestly back on bozo

they were right above the null line in dw's reads, which feels like just the right amount to make bozo look good while still distancing themselves in case bozo flipped scum.

they were heavily town read by damo, so possibly they wanted to coast on a town read from a towny player by getting the kill in early

now bunny is dead, who was scum reading bozo for most of day 2

##vote bozotheclown

This is not quite accurate, I don't think BunnyGo indicated he was scum reading me until later D2.

ah, good catch. idk why but the last 8 hours felt like a whole different day to me

my point still stands, they were on you for the last 8 hours.

LURKER LIST
yesterday, red, demon, bozo and bunny lurked
today, worcej, demon, bozo, ND and kotp are lurking
demon and bozo have lurked both days so far
and yes, lurking IS scummy

this came to mind just now, with how insistent DW was on the 'kill all lurkers' thing, this is somewhat akin to a reads list. the way they put special not on demon and bozo makes it look towny to me from an analytic perspective.

I also like their recent posting, going from low posting in day 1 & 2 to being #3 poster today. this might be mafia kicking into full gear after a teammate was eliminated, but I think it's pretty towny

##unvote

probably worth looking into the lurker thing further, but atm i'm not in the best state of mind to go deeply analytical

also, the bunny kill might have been cover for bb, the same way that I postulated damo might have been for bozo. idk, I still feel like i'm tunneling on bb, but my gut says that almost everything this game points to them as mafia.

[ghug]

##vote will
I really wish that I had time to read everyone's posts and make a decision, but I have 8 minutes and I am somehow a wagon today

The fact that Dip made Just his counterwagon basically clears Just. Bunny later tied it, but we know that Bunny was town.

Just was already his counterwagon though? He could have put me tied for second but that would look especially odd given that he'd townread me and it wouldn't be doing much to protect himself.

[ghug]

##VOTE just

Explain

To me, it feels like you scumread me before Dip’s flip, then after Dip’s flip, nothing changed

How did you come to will=scum?

I've spent a lot of words explaining already.

[ghug]

##vote will
I really wish that I had time to read everyone's posts and make a decision, but I have 8 minutes and I am somehow a wagon today

I think this vote for Just is inconclusive. If DiplomacyandWarfare had voted for anyone else there, Just would look bad when DiplomacyandWarfare flipped mafia. DiplomacyandWarfare did make some posts that made it seem like he was trying to get Just DKed over him:

unacceptable. ghug is towny.

actual reasons behind scumreading me will has stated today: 0

However, DiplomacyandWarfare didn't make a town PR claim, which might have been able to divert the DK to Just.

This is actually a good point

I think this lends more merit to that the wolves were bussing DIp for credit

You can still claim PR to muddy the waters and give credit to your teammates for bussing you when you do go.

[ghug]

I would be entirely happy to flashwagon a lurker or something

I think this makes Vecna look good and Will look bad.

@Ghug was this D1 or D2?

D2, right at the end.

[ghug]

No, these are entirely different things

I’m saying worcej is town because he was the flash CW to dip

I’m saying I’m town bc I pushed Dip all day and all night

Different circumstances

Alright, fair enough. Although I think town could've pushed the worcej wagon, so he is not clear; and I know for a fact that you will hard bus teammates, so you are not cleared for pushing Dip.

Your certainty is what is really worrying to me now. Getting really certain and adamant about stuff is the problem when you're scum, because you are hedged in by various ideas and allegiances that town does not have. I remember Nespresso Patronum and bozo nearly catching me in two separate games I was scum when I had fallen into those certainty cracks, and I had to fight and fight and fight not to die.

Im not certain, obv. Just highly confident

Yeah, I get ya. But I guess its just a difference in playstyle. I have seen numerous instances of it elsewhere, and thus am confident that this trend continues here

Wdym hedged in by allegiances and ideas? Like how I’m finding ppl town/scum?

I think Will is right here, for what it's worth. I don't like that he used it to conclude Red was town with such certainty rather than to criticize the process, but the core point is fair.

The fuck is Nespresso Patronum?

[ghug]

Credit to food calling brains notes performative because I probably woulda forgotten about brain if food didnt

I believe Brain’s notes are just baseline observations and then like

A weird meta analysis of Ghug? Feels out of nowhere

I thought the meta analysis of me was the towniest part precisely because it was so random.

[ghug]

And since I'm back to town Will, I'm back to... scum worcej?

No, they just can't be scum together.

Will and worcej by POE both town.

So... ND, RHK, brain, maybe mimi are my preferred wagons now.

Whatever you think of Will, I think worcej is very likely town.

[ghug]

##VOTE mimi

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

What does Nespresso Patronum even mean

[foodcoats]

Alright, fair enough. Although I think town could've pushed the worcej wagon, so he is not clear; and I know for a fact that you will hard bus teammates, so you are not cleared for pushing Dip.

Your certainty is what is really worrying to me now. Getting really certain and adamant about stuff is the problem when you're scum, because you are hedged in by various ideas and allegiances that town does not have. I remember Nespresso Patronum and bozo nearly catching me in two separate games I was scum when I had fallen into those certainty cracks, and I had to fight and fight and fight not to die.

Im not certain, obv. Just highly confident

Yeah, I get ya. But I guess its just a difference in playstyle. I have seen numerous instances of it elsewhere, and thus am confident that this trend continues here

Wdym hedged in by allegiances and ideas? Like how I’m finding ppl town/scum?

I think Will is right here, for what it's worth. I don't like that he used it to conclude Red was town with such certainty rather than to criticize the process, but the core point is fair.

The fuck is Nespresso Patronum?

They played here a few times… long time ago.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Credit to food calling brains notes performative because I probably woulda forgotten about brain if food didnt

I believe Brain’s notes are just baseline observations and then like

A weird meta analysis of Ghug? Feels out of nowhere

I thought the meta analysis of me was the towniest part precisely because it was so random.

I find it the opposite; it was very random and has plausible deniability for why he did it. He can claim it was ‘random brain ramblings’ or some shit

[foodcoats]

food how did you get to scum brain? Is there a post you can link or something?

Something pinged me D1, and then something in the votes D1, and then his notes look fake.

IRONCLAD CASE! LOCK HIM UP!

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

food how did you get to scum brain? Is there a post you can link or something?

Something pinged me D1, and then something in the votes D1, and then his notes look fake.

IRONCLAD CASE! LOCK HIM UP!

Do you find his early D2 vote on Dip is likely a bus? I see it as plausible

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

The thing is with scum!brain is im unsure of where I sort Spirit and Bozo. Its possible Spirit is 3p, but idk

I really havent been thinking about the 3p that much tbh, I think the best way to deal with this game is solve it as close to vanilla as possible, and only when it is pertinent should we actively hunt for a 3p

[ghug]

Im not certain, obv. Just highly confident

Yeah, I get ya. But I guess its just a difference in playstyle. I have seen numerous instances of it elsewhere, and thus am confident that this trend continues here

Wdym hedged in by allegiances and ideas? Like how I’m finding ppl town/scum?

I think Will is right here, for what it's worth. I don't like that he used it to conclude Red was town with such certainty rather than to criticize the process, but the core point is fair.

The fuck is Nespresso Patronum?

They played here a few times… long time ago.

Must have been my hiatus.

[ghug]

Credit to food calling brains notes performative because I probably woulda forgotten about brain if food didnt

I believe Brain’s notes are just baseline observations and then like

A weird meta analysis of Ghug? Feels out of nowhere

I thought the meta analysis of me was the towniest part precisely because it was so random.

I find it the opposite; it was very random and has plausible deniability for why he did it. He can claim it was ‘random brain ramblings’ or some shit

I agree that the whole thing feels a little performative. Just odd that we had different takes on that one specifically. It's definitely something he would do as town.

[ghug]

The thing is with scum!brain is im unsure of where I sort Spirit and Bozo. Its possible Spirit is 3p, but idk

I really havent been thinking about the 3p that much tbh, I think the best way to deal with this game is solve it as close to vanilla as possible, and only when it is pertinent should we actively hunt for a 3p

I don't think Spirit is mafia based on Dip's push. I do think Dip thought he was 3P, but I don't think that's actually worth that much.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I thought the meta analysis of me was the towniest part precisely because it was so random.

I find it the opposite; it was very random and has plausible deniability for why he did it. He can claim it was ‘random brain ramblings’ or some shit

I agree that the whole thing feels a little performative. Just odd that we had different takes on that one specifically. It's definitely something he would do as town.

I dont find it to be towny; it just felt agendad