MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[miminena]

If I were to throw out my entire worldview and indulge in some deep brainbombing the one person id rethink right now is mimi. I am surprised to see their reluctance on voting their top scumreads - dependent on other peoples moves. Id love to know more about that

to put it succinctly the problem is mostly that I don't trust my own judgement very much.

i think if i were to put more trust in myself, which presumably i should, i'd still stay on bozo.

[bozotheclown]

There is also the fact that if bozo, ghug, or demon live till near the end, they will usually be a miskill anyway even if town imo. Unless mechanics or really really solid hunting on their part clears them

If ghug is still around at the end of the game I usually assume he is mafia and try to DK him, but I have recently got him mis-killed (with mafia help) 2 times, so there may be a trend of the mafia not NKing him early, or at least not as often.

[brainbomb]

If I were to throw out my entire worldview and indulge in some deep brainbombing the one person id rethink right now is mimi. I am surprised to see their reluctance on voting their top scumreads - dependent on other peoples moves. Id love to know more about that

to put it succinctly the problem is mostly that I don't trust my own judgement very much.

i think if i were to put more trust in myself, which presumably i should, i'd still stay on bozo.

Youre obviously a very intelligent person and a great player. Welcome to the community.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

If I were to throw out my entire worldview and indulge in some deep brainbombing the one person id rethink right now is mimi. I am surprised to see their reluctance on voting their top scumreads - dependent on other peoples moves. Id love to know more about that

to put it succinctly the problem is mostly that I don't trust my own judgement very much.

i think if i were to put more trust in myself, which presumably i should, i'd still stay on bozo.

I will say this; despite our jargon and playstyles, going with your gut works well in many cases

If you’re town, then I think going with what you believe is best

[ghug]

I still don’t see what you’re seeing. I understand your statement of fact. But I disagree that’s the facts.

This is a smattering of the examples I remembered where it felt like he was hounding people

Brain did the work I was too lazy to do properly.

But this just pinged me that ghug and Bunny are targeting bozo.

But... that is confirmation bias... and I am bad at solving anyway...

I stand by my targeting. He asked one set of questions in one burst of activity. There's been no prolonged hounding or anything that's come out of the questioning. Anyone can fake their town meta for a few minutes.

[bozotheclown]

Take 14x6 scum points. Oof.

Bunny, what triggered you so hard about this? It seems like bozo must be your number 1 scum read?

A few things, and thank you for reminding me! scum!bozo slips through cracks...

the precision of the numbers "14 seconds" and "calculate 6 times" these are scum!bozo behaviors to seem accurate and scientific while feeling awkward for lying and not giving town his all on his mech (or one time doing so and helping town win).

##vote bozo

The 14 seconds was important because it made it very unlikely the idea was copied, and therefore the similar posts were a coincidence.

From the game you cited, you should know that I try to be accurate with mechanics as mafia in order to look like town, even if it turns out the game is broken. This post had nothing to do with mechanics, though.

This made think of the game I cost town recently, and now that you know I was town I wanted to point out that while I understood in theory why the DK choosing the RB made sense, it did not work practically, because there was no reason for town or mafia selected for the RB to go along with it. This was demonstrated with how the game played out, as ghug selected me to be the RB, which I knew would be a loss if ghug was town, so I argued against it, which just made me look more suspicious.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

I’m going to be a bit inactive until 1030 GMT

[ghug]

Were you concerned about a tie when you voted for worcej? Also, why vote for him while discouraging others to vote for him by saying you think he is town?

Not really. I probably should have been but I figured there was time for more people to move.

I thought piling on worcej was funny.

And you claimed I was not being serious D1.

I did indeed.

[bozotheclown]

It is interesting that out of everyone who moved their vote to worcej in the last 4 minutes of D1, only DiplomacyandWarfare had been voting for Red Neurax. It is not clear why all of the DiplomacyandWarfare and ND voters preferred worcej over Red Neurax.

hence my claim that most of the worcej early voters were town....

There was no need nor motivation for scum to be scrambling there. If any of the original 3 wagons were scum, they'd already done their scrambles and saved their teammate.

OK, but you did not say most of his "early voters":

Oh I am for sure about to die and it'll be the most worthless kill

This is fucking hilarious though to be fair.

It's really funny on rerun too...I'm thinking most of the worcej voters are town

Also, I think it depends on if any of the prevalent EOD wagons were mafia.

[bozotheclown]

What has bozo done to make you feel that way?

His lines of questioning in a few places have been acute.

It could be faked, but right now I have a townlean on bozo.

He hasn't had any lines of questions. That would require following up on the ones he's asked.

##VOTE bozo

I implore you all to reconsider ND. Killing him early has been effective in scaring him away from the community before and I'd really rather this not be a place where he feels empowered to spew his evil.

I think your statement is inaccurate.

[ghug]

##VOTE Will

[ghug]

##VOTE Just

[bozotheclown]

i'll put some reads down for now, this is mostly thought dumping and not very well thought out so please scrutinize

confirmed town: Mimi (at least from my perspective)
pretty towny: kotp (although I should check myself on this one, since I vibe very well with them. I have a bad habit of heavily trusting mafia in in-person games.)
leaning town: Will, Spirit, DW, Bunny, ND, bozo, ghug; from towniest to nullest
null cutoff: Demon (they've lurked this whole game while seemingly pretending to be active. I don't like it, but I can't really develop a read)
leaning mafia: Vecna (this is a very slight lean, and honestly with their recent posting this might move up to a town lean. the only reason that they're a mafia lean in the first place is that they started the flash wagon on worcej, which doesn't mean that much in retrospect), foodcoats (they turned the wagon on Red into an actual wagon, and it feels weird how they went from relatively low and sporadic posting on day 1 to being the highest poster atm. maybe there's a good reason for this, please let me know if that's the case), worcej (very slight, only putting them here because of the damo kill, since they were damo's main suspicion during day 1. could definitely switch to a town lean one I look back through the end of day 1 fiasco.)
pretty scummy: nobody atm
person who I currently have a slight scum read on but everyone else seems to town read so idk: bb (their voting patterns seem very opportunist all throughout, and they claimed vt rather than town initially, which was something damo was pretty set about, so the nk on damo points to bb imo)

I'd be fine voting anyone Demon and under except for worcej rn; my preferred vote is bb, but that seems unrealistic, and second is foodcoats, but that's already a wagon and I don't want it to run away barely over 24h into they, so i'll withhold my vote for now.

I put no notes on town leans because that category is pretty much just people who are relatively null but not exactly scummy, which I don't have much reasoning for. admittedly it's a bit large, and consists of some people I haven't thought about enough. I'll work on sifting through it throughout the day

I'm not reading this...don't copy ND in anything, especially writing style.

noted. next reads list (if there is one) will be much shorter

What were you saying about mimi?

And you’re right, I’ve achieved my scumtell this game, but I think it’s because of the sabbatical.

Kind of disturbing that that sentence was totally illegible and nobody asked me about it until now...

I can't figure out what word I was trying to use, but we have a tendency to let competent and analytical new players get blanket townread regardless of their actual role. She's going to be hard to read and very liable to slip by, which scares me.

I wouldn't call myself competent... analytical, sure, but a lot of it probably isn't very good

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honestly, on a reread of their posts foodcoats feels better to me. i'm still fine with them as a vote, largely because if they are town they've left a pretty good legacy.

##vote bozotheclown

out of the non foodcoats wagons, I honestly still feel like DW is town. I might be falling into their trap (I have a bad habit of trusting mafia when I play with friends), but bozo has had very few posts and the ones they do have feel kind of empty.

What changed your opinion since this post:

i'll put some reads down for now, this is mostly thought dumping and not very well thought out so please scrutinize

confirmed town: Mimi (at least from my perspective)
pretty towny: kotp (although I should check myself on this one, since I vibe very well with them. I have a bad habit of heavily trusting mafia in in-person games.)
leaning town: Will, Spirit, DW, Bunny, ND, bozo, ghug; from towniest to nullest
null cutoff: Demon (they've lurked this whole game while seemingly pretending to be active. I don't like it, but I can't really develop a read)
leaning mafia: Vecna (this is a very slight lean, and honestly with their recent posting this might move up to a town lean. the only reason that they're a mafia lean in the first place is that they started the flash wagon on worcej, which doesn't mean that much in retrospect), foodcoats (they turned the wagon on Red into an actual wagon, and it feels weird how they went from relatively low and sporadic posting on day 1 to being the highest poster atm. maybe there's a good reason for this, please let me know if that's the case), worcej (very slight, only putting them here because of the damo kill, since they were damo's main suspicion during day 1. could definitely switch to a town lean one I look back through the end of day 1 fiasco.)
pretty scummy: nobody atm
person who I currently have a slight scum read on but everyone else seems to town read so idk: bb (their voting patterns seem very opportunist all throughout, and they claimed vt rather than town initially, which was something damo was pretty set about, so the nk on damo points to bb imo)

I'd be fine voting anyone Demon and under except for worcej rn; my preferred vote is bb, but that seems unrealistic, and second is foodcoats, but that's already a wagon and I don't want it to run away barely over 24h into they, so i'll withhold my vote for now.

I put no notes on town leans because that category is pretty much just people who are relatively null but not exactly scummy, which I don't have much reasoning for. admittedly it's a bit large, and consists of some people I haven't thought about enough. I'll work on sifting through it throughout the day

This is not meant to be a trap, but from my point of view the obvious difference it that I became a wagon.

[miminena]

I'm not reading this...don't copy ND in anything, especially writing style.

noted. next reads list (if there is one) will be much shorter

Kind of disturbing that that sentence was totally illegible and nobody asked me about it until now...

I can't figure out what word I was trying to use, but we have a tendency to let competent and analytical new players get blanket townread regardless of their actual role. She's going to be hard to read and very liable to slip by, which scares me.

I wouldn't call myself competent... analytical, sure, but a lot of it probably isn't very good

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honestly, on a reread of their posts foodcoats feels better to me. i'm still fine with them as a vote, largely because if they are town they've left a pretty good legacy.

##vote bozotheclown

out of the non foodcoats wagons, I honestly still feel like DW is town. I might be falling into their trap (I have a bad habit of trusting mafia when I play with friends), but bozo has had very few posts and the ones they do have feel kind of empty.

What changed your opinion since this post:

i'll put some reads down for now, this is mostly thought dumping and not very well thought out so please scrutinize

confirmed town: Mimi (at least from my perspective)
pretty towny: kotp (although I should check myself on this one, since I vibe very well with them. I have a bad habit of heavily trusting mafia in in-person games.)
leaning town: Will, Spirit, DW, Bunny, ND, bozo, ghug; from towniest to nullest
null cutoff: Demon (they've lurked this whole game while seemingly pretending to be active. I don't like it, but I can't really develop a read)
leaning mafia: Vecna (this is a very slight lean, and honestly with their recent posting this might move up to a town lean. the only reason that they're a mafia lean in the first place is that they started the flash wagon on worcej, which doesn't mean that much in retrospect), foodcoats (they turned the wagon on Red into an actual wagon, and it feels weird how they went from relatively low and sporadic posting on day 1 to being the highest poster atm. maybe there's a good reason for this, please let me know if that's the case), worcej (very slight, only putting them here because of the damo kill, since they were damo's main suspicion during day 1. could definitely switch to a town lean one I look back through the end of day 1 fiasco.)
pretty scummy: nobody atm
person who I currently have a slight scum read on but everyone else seems to town read so idk: bb (their voting patterns seem very opportunist all throughout, and they claimed vt rather than town initially, which was something damo was pretty set about, so the nk on damo points to bb imo)

I'd be fine voting anyone Demon and under except for worcej rn; my preferred vote is bb, but that seems unrealistic, and second is foodcoats, but that's already a wagon and I don't want it to run away barely over 24h into they, so i'll withhold my vote for now.

I put no notes on town leans because that category is pretty much just people who are relatively null but not exactly scummy, which I don't have much reasoning for. admittedly it's a bit large, and consists of some people I haven't thought about enough. I'll work on sifting through it throughout the day

This is not meant to be a trap, but from my point of view the obvious difference it that I became a wagon.

out of the town reads, some of them were actual reads and some of them were people who I was just putting on the back burner for later. you were in the second category, and when you became a wagon, it put you on my radar, so I decided to do an actual read

[bozotheclown]

Not really. I probably should have been but I figured there was time for more people to move.

I thought piling on worcej was funny.

And you claimed I was not being serious D1.

I did indeed.

There was reason for everything I did or said D1, regardless of how it might have looked.

[ghug]

And you claimed I was not being serious D1.

I did indeed.

There was reason for everything I did or said D1, regardless of how it might have looked.

Personal amusement is a reason.

[bozotheclown]

noted. next reads list (if there is one) will be much shorter



I wouldn't call myself competent... analytical, sure, but a lot of it probably isn't very good

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honestly, on a reread of their posts foodcoats feels better to me. i'm still fine with them as a vote, largely because if they are town they've left a pretty good legacy.

##vote bozotheclown

out of the non foodcoats wagons, I honestly still feel like DW is town. I might be falling into their trap (I have a bad habit of trusting mafia when I play with friends), but bozo has had very few posts and the ones they do have feel kind of empty.

What changed your opinion since this post:

i'll put some reads down for now, this is mostly thought dumping and not very well thought out so please scrutinize

confirmed town: Mimi (at least from my perspective)
pretty towny: kotp (although I should check myself on this one, since I vibe very well with them. I have a bad habit of heavily trusting mafia in in-person games.)
leaning town: Will, Spirit, DW, Bunny, ND, bozo, ghug; from towniest to nullest
null cutoff: Demon (they've lurked this whole game while seemingly pretending to be active. I don't like it, but I can't really develop a read)
leaning mafia: Vecna (this is a very slight lean, and honestly with their recent posting this might move up to a town lean. the only reason that they're a mafia lean in the first place is that they started the flash wagon on worcej, which doesn't mean that much in retrospect), foodcoats (they turned the wagon on Red into an actual wagon, and it feels weird how they went from relatively low and sporadic posting on day 1 to being the highest poster atm. maybe there's a good reason for this, please let me know if that's the case), worcej (very slight, only putting them here because of the damo kill, since they were damo's main suspicion during day 1. could definitely switch to a town lean one I look back through the end of day 1 fiasco.)
pretty scummy: nobody atm
person who I currently have a slight scum read on but everyone else seems to town read so idk: bb (their voting patterns seem very opportunist all throughout, and they claimed vt rather than town initially, which was something damo was pretty set about, so the nk on damo points to bb imo)

I'd be fine voting anyone Demon and under except for worcej rn; my preferred vote is bb, but that seems unrealistic, and second is foodcoats, but that's already a wagon and I don't want it to run away barely over 24h into they, so i'll withhold my vote for now.

I put no notes on town leans because that category is pretty much just people who are relatively null but not exactly scummy, which I don't have much reasoning for. admittedly it's a bit large, and consists of some people I haven't thought about enough. I'll work on sifting through it throughout the day

This is not meant to be a trap, but from my point of view the obvious difference it that I became a wagon.

out of the town reads, some of them were actual reads and some of them were people who I was just putting on the back burner for later. you were in the second category, and when you became a wagon, it put you on my radar, so I decided to do an actual read

OK, I don't know why my posts seem "empty", but I have not had as much time to participate as I would prefer, and I should have more time as the game continues (if I am still around).

[bozotheclown]

Bozo in the above image you asked several players about their behavior at end of day regarding the red death. Do you feel that the red death was a traumatic experience?

And did any of those people you question provide answers you deem sufficient?

No, but the D1 DK is the only thing of significance we have to go on.

I don't think I received answers to the following:

oops
mistyped enter

this is a very weird post

at this point the votes were 6 on red, 3 on ND, 5 on me (I think I might have crossposted ghug's vote but I'm not sure)
I was voting ND, in the hopes of provoking discussion and meaningful votes
-side note but ghug claimed to do literally the same thing by voting me which actually kind of removed a wagon by placing me at 5 and ND at 3. scummy

by this point I was very concerned that the wagon on me might overtake the wagon on red, especially because bozo, miminena and vecna were more likely to vote me if my wagon was tied with red's after red voted me (making it seem like the me wagon was potentially and likely succeeding, bandwagon effect), so I voted red(who was my scumread, after all), to hopefully tip the bandwagoning towards red instead of me

If Red Neurax was your scum read, why did you join the wagon on worcej?

It was very unlikely DiplomacyandWarfare would be DKed with 1 minute to go. Why didn't you vote your preference between worcej and Red Neurax?

Wagons change fast, the worcej wagon popped up in less than a minute, Dip’s wagon could have too

I was not going to vote someone I townread

No if ands or buts about it unless its to prevent a tie

Are you talking about town reading Red Neurax?

yeah worcej is just town

##VOTE WORCEJ

sorry dude

Do these posts mean that you town read Red Neurax more than worcej, and if so, why?

ghug responded, but his explanation for his EOD voting is not consistent with his typical pattern of moving to the top wagon in the last minute to diminish the possibility of a tie vote.

[bozotheclown]

I did indeed.

There was reason for everything I did or said D1, regardless of how it might have looked.

Personal amusement is a reason.

Yes, saying any vote for you was a good vote was fun, but I also was interested in reactions. Since you are voting for Just, did you find his reaction to your D1 wagon suspicious?

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE Just

I don't have any strong scum suspects, but Just has done some things I found suspicious. Besides what I have already pointed out, I don't understand why he would be town reading Red Neurax rather strongly D1. I looked at M1034, and it seems like Red Neurax won that game as mafia with a very similar low activity D1.