MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Deeper and deeper…

The range of ghug, worcej, and Vecna for votes today feels good to me.

this post is also rather worrying if worcej does flip scum at some point.

I dont see that happening at all, but this could definately be presorting from a scum pov thinking worcej looks mightily scummy atm since he got such a big wagon last night. (hint; he doesnt)

For the record, after all that… I think the weirdest/most notable interaction was you coaching worcej after the flip. My tinfoiling is just speculation. But in the end I could see worcej and ghug town and you (Vec) scum most likely of all the muck I threw at the wall.

what's "tinfoiling?"

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

LURKER LIST
yesterday, red, demon, bozo and bunny lurked
today, worcej, demon, bozo, ND and kotp are lurking
demon and bozo have lurked both days so far
and yes, lurking IS scummy

[foodcoats]

this boy forum mafias on his phone, does bits, but is unwilling to store cartoon avatars in the cloud? It feels like you're not descending into madness in the proper order, and since this is the internet, I am required to provide you with my opinion.

anyway ##vote kingofthepirates
purely as a bot test and to established my unhinged nature in case i need to get out of any mistakes i make down the line, good day

Spirit, what did you mean when you said voting for KotP would help you get out of mistakes later? I understand you were joking, but I don’t quite understand the joke, and I think it would help me understand you if I understood this post better.

This is more interesting as a question. I play a lot of social deduction games, and run them irl and stuff. As you play a lot, you get better as a player but also get perceived as being better as a player which causes problems because people start assuming if you live a long time, you're scum because if you weren't scum would have killed you to stop a good player from working against them. Most people adapt by 1) acting out of pocket more often and making mistakes to decrease your perceived skill so you lose status and the traget on your back AND have more outs for illogical behavior when you're chasing a strong gut feeling as town or need to cover up scum stuff when you're bad. 2) doing some openly scummy stuff in every game so mafia aren't as inclined to kill you since you're a possible miskill and people don't know how to read you in general.

My joke was talking to the camera and having a deadpool moment about the first one. You can see a lot of people doing that in the thread, I don't want to point them out because they may just be being dumb. I have done #2 a couple different times in the thread already (purposefully not saying "i am town" to get peoples attention onto an easy wagon). I don't have a lot of respect here, so I don't have to play these things up super hard (ghug does SO MUCH #2 it isn't even funny, but he is one of the more respected players here so it is what it is). The key is to strike the balance of getting away with plays that can give you insights into others (e.g. seeing who is willing to jump onto an easy wagon) and not eventually go to far with it and get yourself killed. Fingers crossed I can keep it up.

Haha I like this honesty, thank you Spirit.

[foodcoats]

activity has been pretty low overall on d2 eh?

I know im not -that- active myself, but it seems like theres been quite little posts so far today.

Superbowl…

[dargorygel]

##GM NOTE
VOTE COUNT 2.4

Foodcoats (3): DemonRHK, SpiritoftheRadio, Vecna
ND (1): ghug
DemonRHK (1): brainbomb
Vecna (1): foodcoats
SpiritoftheRadio (1): DiplomacyandWarfare

Not Voting Yet: bozotheclown, BunnyGo, JustaGuyNamedWill, kingofthepirates, miminena, ND, worcej
Under Posting: DemonRHK, worcej

Foodcoats is most suspected to be putting food in a cauldron in the woods.

10 hours and 10 minutes remain in this day.

[miminena]

If one of these witch accusers can come up with a witch test, I'll take it and pass. I'm willing to do anything short of posting feet pics in the thread.

you turned me into a newt!

[foodcoats]

I missed EOD but on re-read I find worcej’s behaviour around his wagon, and his reaction to the flip… weird?

How so?

Responding for completeness, but I talked about it more later.

[foodcoats]

this post is also rather worrying if worcej does flip scum at some point.

I dont see that happening at all, but this could definately be presorting from a scum pov thinking worcej looks mightily scummy atm since he got such a big wagon last night. (hint; he doesnt)

For the record, after all that… I think the weirdest/most notable interaction was you coaching worcej after the flip. My tinfoiling is just speculation. But in the end I could see worcej and ghug town and you (Vec) scum most likely of all the muck I threw at the wall.

what's "tinfoiling?"

Wearing a tinfoil hat, i.e. being a conspiracy theorist. For me it means High Speculation - so usually anything where an idea groups scum together when we have not caught any scum is “tinfoiling” i.e. highly speculative.

[DemonRHK]

So I know there is Warlock and stuff, but I dunno if I have ever seen a game less than 12 hours out in which half the game has not voted at all, especially at this size.

[foodcoats]

Alright, since it’s just me here, I want to establish the reasons for my wagon. If I die, the greatest gift I can leave town is a clear picture of the motives for it.

@Demon @Vecna @Spirit

Demon and Spirit are both voting for me because I was the third vote on Red Neurax and the third vote, they say, is habitually scum.

Spirit also thinks I opportunistically voted him D1 when he laid a trap.

Vecna is OMGUS voting me because he thinks my scumread of him is bad.

Bonus: Spirit and Demon, if I die and flip town, must Vecna be scum?

[DemonRHK]

Mist? No. Likely? Very yes. There are no absolutes in mafia.

While the third vote meme is there, yes, there is the unfortunate miss of EoD. While not in itself scum indicative or even intentional, I am just personally getting the 'caught on a runaway meme wagon' vibes' because Red was on the block for a looooong time.

[DemonRHK]

*Must, not mist

[BunnyGo]

This post deserves note

are you in agreement there? I don't think it's a good idea to judge one as scum based on another's habits... But it is an interesting observation on mimi's post, and one that i didn't notice previously. probably to kept for future consideration.

King, I know you are probably doing it to save space, but you should not clip quotes. The whole thread in the quote provides good context for readers.

Now I feel dirty...like a slime mold has buddied up to me and bought me a drink

[BunnyGo]

next player I'm looking at: demon, the second lowest poster after red neurax
post group 1: "my gimmick is being nice, I claim town, joke posts"
Post group 2: (votes brain) "brain is scummy, shitpost, why is the thread dead"
post group 3: (unvotes) "shitpost, voting vecna seems 'spicy', voting dip for 'movement'"
Post group 4: "I promise that was a crosspost even though I posted over a minute after ND"
post group 5: "guys, I think it's likely dip will vote in self defense if necessary. Worcej suggested we should wagon them, let's do it!"
At no point yesterday did anyone vote demon

...
so that's a lot of shitposts and not a lot of explained reads. I'm inclined to treat this as a rather extreme lurker between the low post count and the low post quality

conclusion: likely scum

wtf is a post group?

[BunnyGo]

MECH NOTE
for people who did not read the setup:
one of the potential 3ps, the WARLOCK, which may or may not exist:
would have chosen a target last night
must vote that target at some point today, but may (and probably will) move off them at some point
has a win condition of getting three such targets eliminated

Do you think we should encourage town to place single votes and not move? Or not discuss at all? Or something else?

[BunnyGo]

I don't like worcej's plan (regardless of whether I'm on his list) and I think his picks are odd given his motivation (I think damo is actually more motivated to build consensus than most and Vecna's consistently low activity makes him less of that game-driving "good player" than me used to be). I think it's coming from a good place, though, and I think the questionableness of the logic is generally a sign that worcej is letting us see his real thought process.

I quoted this D1 but on re-read it sticks out to me so much I have to quote it again. It does not resemble a ghug post to me at all, and it feels almost “too kind” in how it handles disagreement with worcej.

I don’t think this could be town!ghug reacting to worcej. It feels like it must be scum!ghug either buddying or… doing something?… With a partner.

##VOTE ghug

this is actually insightful.

ghug also has mentioned my scumtell but not voted or pushed me at all.

[BunnyGo]

-----------------------------Most town vibes
DiplomacyandWarfare
JustAGuyNamedWill
kingofthepirates
N.D.
Brainbomb
BunnyGo
damo666
miminena
Ghug
DemonRHK
-------------------------------least town vibes

non-posters:
Red Neurax
Foodcoats
bozo
Vecna

Spirit, when you posted this, both Red and I HAD posted.

Can you explain how you ended up posting this? What was the process and the thinking? To me it’s difficult to believe this town/scum ranking is authentic because you clearly had not been paying attention to the game.

good catch food
spirit is pre-typing posts and posting them as if they're up to date
basically no reason for town to do this

This is a very very weird post.

How do you know this?

[brainbomb]

The posts are frantic and bizarre.

##vote diplomacy

[ND]

Busy morning. My phone someone got lodged in between a seat on the commute. Then I had to find it. It was a whole thing.

I have a hunch. It goes in line with my comment from last night about liking bozos suggestion about the worcej voters. It also has a bit to do with my eon analysis. Consider DemonRHK and review his D1 interactions especially at EOD and look who he is joining the wagon with.

As for Vecna. I don't think he is scum. Idk how much more time I will have ill check back again when I can.

##vote DemonRHK

[BunnyGo]

I find "kill the scummy player" results in making very uninformed votes on D1 and just leads to a random kill within 5 minutes of phase change.

just get better at it and realize that people trying hard to act towny and being fake as fuck is what you should focus on instead.

I dont get why youre making this case though.

You never get involved day1.

This great concern for the common good feels like we should sniff you a bit more

I’m more and more interested in Vecna’s “worcej arc.” It’s like Vecna was coaching worcej - or buddying?

would not happen...they just wouldn't do it.