MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

This play feels so alien to me I wasnt gone *that* long right

Methinks the guy doth protest too much.

I dislike things that are different

I prefer my world to be stagnant and unchanging thank you very much

[ghug]

Catching up from here

This is surprising

I’d have to say its probably a PR snipe

Damo was towned by a few people and was noticeably UTR compared to his normal games, which is telling for a PR

However theres another theory that its because the people we are top towning are mafia

Going with the former however I will keep it in mind if the pattern continues

Did damo even get voted yesterday? I feel like he WAS top town - a good reason to kill him.

If he was a top town, then I missed something. I felt there were at least a few others higher up on the proverbial totem pole (mimi, king, brain, etc)

None of those people seem particularly widely townread to me.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Anyways

Who yall got in tha superbowl

[bozotheclown]

oops
mistyped enter

oh shit red is here
##vote red neurax

this is a very weird post

at this point the votes were 6 on red, 3 on ND, 5 on me (I think I might have crossposted ghug's vote but I'm not sure)
I was voting ND, in the hopes of provoking discussion and meaningful votes
-side note but ghug claimed to do literally the same thing by voting me which actually kind of removed a wagon by placing me at 5 and ND at 3. scummy

by this point I was very concerned that the wagon on me might overtake the wagon on red, especially because bozo, miminena and vecna were more likely to vote me if my wagon was tied with red's after red voted me (making it seem like the me wagon was potentially and likely succeeding, bandwagon effect), so I voted red(who was my scumread, after all), to hopefully tip the bandwagoning towards red instead of me

If Red Neurax was your scum read, why did you join the wagon on worcej?

[bozotheclown]

Well I was sure Red was scum after that last-second tie vote, so that's disappointing.

Considering he was a town PR, trying to tie the vote to save himself was a reasonable move. If D1 was not extended by 10 seconds, the vote would have been tied.

If you thought Red Neurax was likely scum at the point, why didn't you change your vote to try to break the tie?

I assumed the day was over and the tie was already final.

Were you concerned about a tie when you voted for worcej? Also, why vote for him while discouraging others to vote for him by saying you think he is town?

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE DIP

sorry worcej wagoners I want this over worcej a teensy bit

It was very unlikely DiplomacyandWarfare would be DKed with 1 minute to go. Why didn't you vote your preference between worcej and Red Neurax?

Wagons change fast, the worcej wagon popped up in less than a minute, Dip’s wagon could have too

I was not going to vote someone I townread

No if ands or buts about it unless its to prevent a tie

Are you talking about town reading Red Neurax?

yeah worcej is just town

##VOTE WORCEJ

sorry dude

Do these posts mean that you town read Red Neurax more than worcej, and if so, why?

[bozotheclown]

I don't think we know for sure, but I also can't see why the judicator would go after damo of all people here, so I assume it was a mafia kill

wait, the kill could have also theoretically been a witch redirect, right?

probably not very likely but I want to make sure we have all possibilities

If you are asking if the witch can redirect the mafia NK, I assume not since the mafia NK is factional. If you mean that the witch could have redirected the Judicator while the mafia NK was prevented, I agree that is unlikely.

[miminena]

wait, the kill could have also theoretically been a witch redirect, right?

probably not very likely but I want to make sure we have all possibilities

If you are asking if the witch can redirect the mafia NK, I assume not since the mafia NK is factional. If you mean that the witch could have redirected the Judicator while the mafia NK was prevented, I agree that is unlikely.

I read back through the roles, and it looks like a specific member of the mafia has to be the one doing the kill, so the witch can redirect it if they manage to choose whoever does the kill.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

@people arguing about the witch redirecting the maf night kill

Witch - During the DAY, you MUST select a target. You may not select the same person more than once. At the beginning of the night phase, you will be told the *type* of action, if any, your target is able to perform. If they have an action, they will enter a trance, and you briefly take control of them and may direct their target (or, you may choose not to do so). You may cause them to target you, if you wish, or to self-target, even if their action cannot normally self-target. They will not specifically be informed of your interference. If their action is X-shot, they will *not* lose a charge and may still use their action again in a later phase. You are independently aligned and scan as if you were a Vanilla Town. You are immune to being killed by the Desperado, the Executioner, or the Judicator. If they attempt to kill you, they will be told that they were roleblocked.

You win immediately, causing the other factions to lose, if any of the following are achieved:

1. All of the Town and Mafia PRs are dead, and you remain alive.

OR

2. You have successfully gained control, at one point or another, of all of the Town and Mafia PRs (even if they subsequently died).

Note on this role:

1. If you redirect a killing role, you will have BLOOD on your hands, as well as them, for the purposes of a Bloodhound.
2. If you manage to redirect the Mafia NK, this will still count as a "Mafia Kill" for the purposes of the Priest, so the priest can save the target.
3. If you select a target during the day and that person is daykilled, you suffer no penalty, but will clearly be unable to redirect the dead person's actions.
4. If you target an investigative role, they will still get the result of their scan, not you - but you will redirect their scan to your chosen target, causing them to gain misleading information.
5. If you target the Executioner, there is no effect.
6. If your target is Roleblocked, their action will fail.

[Please continue not posting]

"2. If you manage to redirect the Mafia NK, this will still count as a "Mafia Kill" for the purposes of the Priest, so the priest can save the target."
it can be redirected

[ghug]

Considering he was a town PR, trying to tie the vote to save himself was a reasonable move. If D1 was not extended by 10 seconds, the vote would have been tied.

If you thought Red Neurax was likely scum at the point, why didn't you change your vote to try to break the tie?

I assumed the day was over and the tie was already final.

Were you concerned about a tie when you voted for worcej? Also, why vote for him while discouraging others to vote for him by saying you think he is town?

Not really. I probably should have been but I figured there was time for more people to move.

I thought piling on worcej was funny.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

seems like it's time for a readlist
---TOWN---
dip
ghug
brain
---will vote to save people ABOVE this line---
miminena
Vecna
bozo
---null line---
kotp
bunny
will
worcej
---I would be happy to see anyone BELOW this line be the kill today---
spirit
Demon
ND
---SCUM---

well, if nothing else, this readlist reminded me that spirit is in the game, and spirit has been lurking and contributing almost nothing, therefore

##VOTE SPIRITOFTHERADIO

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I assumed the day was over and the tie was already final.

Were you concerned about a tie when you voted for worcej? Also, why vote for him while discouraging others to vote for him by saying you think he is town?

Not really. I probably should have been but I figured there was time for more people to move.

I thought piling on worcej was funny.

6 worcej voters yesterday, 6 scum points for ghug

[Vecna]

##vote red neurax

##VOTE WORCEJ

sorry dude

no no tie

##vote red neurax

These vote were within 2 second of each other, so I assume they were all reactions to Red Neurax's vote that caused a tie.

my vote was a reaction to worcej towntelling in the last few minutes of the day and it being tied 7v7 at the bot when i checked it

[Vecna]

seems like it's time for a readlist
---TOWN---
dip
ghug
brain
---will vote to save people ABOVE this line---
miminena
Vecna
bozo
---null line---
kotp
bunny
will
worcej
---I would be happy to see anyone BELOW this line be the kill today---
spirit
Demon
ND
---SCUM---

well, if nothing else, this readlist reminded me that spirit is in the game, and spirit has been lurking and contributing almost nothing, therefore

##VOTE SPIRITOFTHERADIO

HOW am i suddenly close to a townread?

You have been throwing passive aggresive shade my way all day and all night, implying all sorts of shit

##vote D&W

[Vecna]

TL;DR - "worcej is town because his opinion is bad."

happy worcej because his strategy is working?

in my experience scum Worcej is a lot more involved day1 to get people to townread him. He usually puts in a lot of effort in sounding towny.

Im not sure if thats what were seeing here, but Ghugs assuredness that that is what this is does not ring accurate.

But I guess im just not building a concensus with hivemind ghug

Deeper and deeper…

The range of ghug, worcej, and Vecna for votes today feels good to me.

this post is also rather worrying if worcej does flip scum at some point.

I dont see that happening at all, but this could definately be presorting from a scum pov thinking worcej looks mightily scummy atm since he got such a big wagon last night. (hint; he doesnt)

[Vecna]

Need to now catch up from page 53…

After re-reading D1 I think Vecna had some weird interactions with worcej that town Vecna would not make. There’s also some weird interactions of ghug with worcej, but in hindsight I don’t think there’s as… misplaced. Basically it seems like Vecna scumread and voted for worcej but, after Red flipped, decided worcej was town incredibly quickly, in a way that doesn’t feel natural and sounds more like buddying. It just doesn’t square for me that Vecna’s takeaway there is to brake on worcej and tell him… not to get himself scumread? It seems that if Vecna was town he would be upset with worcej irrespective of the flip.

##VOTE Vecna

did you even read the game? Did you actually check whether I got upset with Worcej?

because this post strongly implies you did not even read what happened after EoD. Youre just trying to find reasons to scumread me.

Worcej was active at Eod1. He did not claim a PR while he was about to die. He stayed very cool and collected. And yes, im convinced he's town due to that.

[Vecna]

I dont really wanna pile on foodcoats and create a runaway wagon yet, but that is some terrible terrible posting.

almost too bad to come from scum

[Vecna]

killpool for the day atm is; D&W, Foodcoats, Bunnygo

Reasons for bunnygo is that weakass catchup poststreak. He does not seem involved in the game at all. Does not feel like he has any stake/opinion in anything and he's just coasting along.

Im not fully convinced ND is town whatsoever, but plenty of people are null atm, and it feels those 3 are actually quite good kills compared to it.

Not really sure how it falls in between 3p/scum probability, but im fine just going ahead with killing scummy people.

[SpiritoftheRadio]

-----------------------------Most town vibes
DiplomacyandWarfare
JustAGuyNamedWill
kingofthepirates
N.D.
Brainbomb
BunnyGo
damo666
miminena
Ghug
DemonRHK
-------------------------------least town vibes

non-posters:
Red Neurax
Foodcoats
bozo
Vecna

Spirit, when you posted this, both Red and I HAD posted.

Can you explain how you ended up posting this? What was the process and the thinking? To me it’s difficult to believe this town/scum ranking is authentic because you clearly had not been paying attention to the game.

You've brought this up like 3 times now, so I'll respond. I just forgot you said anything, looking back, you made some posts during the opening shit posting, then not for a few hours before I made the read post, and I just forgot about your posts and didn't have access to the bot at the time to check. I don't know why this is some kind of gotcha to you, putting you in non-posters is like beyond null status, it just meant I had not consciously perceived you in the game. People seemed to have issues with that post thinking I was scum reading non-posters, I was not, my writing there removed them from the spectrum, demon was the scummiest at the time to me, but this was very early in the game. Idk what you want for an authentic post, but me genuinely forgetting you existed in the game is about as authentic as you get. It was 5hours into the game and I thought I'd throw out the vibes I felt, and didn't put more thought into it than it warranted.

For the record, I do find the witch theories about me entertaining, but if I was actually a role that mattered, I'd be being a bit more careful. Openly joking about being a warlock or even mentioning it in the thread is a bit too obvious don't you think? Idk you can think I'm a troll if you want, but if I was someone looking to manipulate people I'd probably be reading the thread and managing how I come off a lot more. Even if I was feigning aloofness, I'd make sure it doesn't implicate me accidentally. I do kind of feel like this same thing happened with Damo where he talked a lot about the lie detector, so mafia assumed it was him. But... That's not usually how a real PR would come off, they have the investment that would make them risk adverse enough to not come out. Like, you can play against that meta purposefully, but the majority will not do that. Food for thought, I don't think I'll be killed today, but you're welcome to try. I m more inclined to post things I think are funny or my thoughts in the moment than reread a bunch to make sure everything I say is perfect. Game is funner that way

[miminena]

seems like it's time for a readlist
---TOWN---
dip
ghug
brain
---will vote to save people ABOVE this line---
miminena
Vecna
bozo
---null line---
kotp
bunny
will
worcej
---I would be happy to see anyone BELOW this line be the kill today---
spirit
Demon
ND
---SCUM---

well, if nothing else, this readlist reminded me that spirit is in the game, and spirit has been lurking and contributing almost nothing, therefore

##VOTE SPIRITOFTHERADIO

HOW am i suddenly close to a townread?

You have been throwing passive aggresive shade my way all day and all night, implying all sorts of shit

##vote D&W

I think the bot hates ampersands this vote registered as invalid