MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

isn't it a bit late in the day to be making joke votes? especially since in #608 you seemed pretty convinced about red, and now you're moving off them without warning, to a mostly nonviable wagon. is this just your way of unvoting while still meeting participation requirements?

On the other hand… this post is really perceptive about a very small detail… and mimi had a detailed “ranking of wagons” earlier… and while that could be enthusiastic new town… it actually resembles how I remember playing scum myself… getting really, really detail focused because you’re not actually solving… hmm…

Scum mimi?

This post deserves note

What for?

[miminena]

I've read a game or two before, so I understand that not going through with a day kill is bad, but I wasn't sure how ties were dealt with.



I don't get what you're asking, the point of that post was to analyze the two people who were off-wagon at EoD. Also, I double checked the thread, and Will actually ended on worcej

Which games did you read?

i'll see if I can find any of them. I remember which forum one of them was on, but I forget the name of the specific game. i'll spend some time looking for it, it shouldn't be too hard to find

https://www.shrinemaiden.com/index.php?topic=84.msg786#msg786
found the one I was thinking of. I don't think I read all the way through, but I did read a good portion of it. link is to the start of day 1

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

oh shit red is here
##vote red neurax

this is a very weird post

Agree

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

@worcej I think I know why town winrate is so low

Heres my reasoning on why Neurax was not the move

This game is going to have some mechanics to help/hurt other players and reveal their roles. That is why I didn;t really feel like killing Neurax. Neurax lurking and playing as such was not in any way alignment indicative

Explain

[Jamiet99uk]

The villagers looked toward the sky as a very large owl swooped majestically overhead. Its wings made a gentle whoosh as it soared over them, eyes gleaming, plumage magnificent.

"Is that an omen?" asked one.

"Nay, just a superb owl."

VOTE COUNT 2.2

ND (2) - ghug, DiplomacyandWarfare
foodcoats (2) - DemonRHK, SpiritoftheRadio
DemonRHK (1) - brainbomb
Vecna (1) - foodcoats

The voting is TIED.

Just under 27 hours remain.

Worcej and DemonRHK have yet to meet the posting requirement.
Several people still have not voted.

[kingofthepirates]

Can you elaborate why?

combo of 1) some sort of motivation for the kill (scum can hide in town reads) and 2) i think it's pretty often historically been the case (this might be a bit fallacious though)?

I understand point #1 in general, I’m wondering why the top 3 specifically

Also I’m not super good at memory with other games so you’d have to show me evidence for point #2 being correct

Altho I dont wanna make you have ‘homework’ lol just to prove a moot point

mostly arbitrarily, top 3, top 5, somewhere in that general direction. Unless there is more... (I'm being dramatic there isn't)

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

##VOTE DIP

sorry worcej wagoners I want this over worcej a teensy bit

It was very unlikely DiplomacyandWarfare would be DKed with 1 minute to go. Why didn't you vote your preference between worcej and Red Neurax?

Wagons change fast, the worcej wagon popped up in less than a minute, Dip’s wagon could have too

I was not going to vote someone I townread

No if ands or buts about it unless its to prevent a tie

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Will catch up in a few hours but will be gone from superbowl kickoff to tomorrow morning

Hes referring to himself in the 3rd person. Must be scum.

Shit man you got me

[foodcoats]

The mist rolling back over the heath revealed a beautiful view of East Anglia.

As the village woke, a shrill scream pierced the dawn. A body was found in the village square.

Damo666 has died. He was Friar Damian, the Vanilla Townsperson.

DAY TWO HAS STARTED. YOU CAN POST.

Catching up from here

This is surprising

I’d have to say its probably a PR snipe

Damo was towned by a few people and was noticeably UTR compared to his normal games, which is telling for a PR

However theres another theory that its because the people we are top towning are mafia

Going with the former however I will keep it in mind if the pattern continues

Did damo even get voted yesterday? I feel like he WAS top town - a good reason to kill him.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

oh shit red is here
##vote red neurax

this is a very weird post

Agree

Go read my post explaining this

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

so mainly this is done with the intention of looking at all reasons people gave for their various D1 votes, any similarities or interesting patterns. everything after 5 minutes before phase end is scramble time, and i think unlikely to yield any interesting reasons. So while doing it, I realized... there's like 14 people left... so I'm just gonna lookat a few interesting ones (like pivotal votes, 3rd voter, votes from people currently sus'd by others).

dip (idk first in order): switched votes most often (7 times), feels very arbitrary. mostly stuck on red based on lurking (also in general lowkey I hella sus the people on the red wagon who sited lurking as the only reason... that somewhat screams low effort scum reasoning, especially since I think there's much more to it...). Seemed intersted in a bb wagon. is that interest still there?

will: final vote on dip feels random, like there's 2 minutes left, the dip wagon is not gonna take off. Feels like trying to take an opportunity to slip off the dip wagon but also avoid the red wagon.

food: honestly? all the votes here don't seem to bad. red lurk vote is as above ig. but also has past history of doing that so... nia

mimi: "I'll move off when..." votes, I kinda get this mindset. NIA, though I can see how it might look bad in others eyes

gonna go hunt for more, I remember this morning on my phone I checked and someone's votes really ticked me off and buzzed me the wrong way... I'll see if I can find it again.

Regarding my point, see a few posts above

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

this is a very weird post

Agree

Go read my post explaining this

Could you link it?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

so mainly this is done with the intention of looking at all reasons people gave for their various D1 votes, any similarities or interesting patterns. everything after 5 minutes before phase end is scramble time, and i think unlikely to yield any interesting reasons. So while doing it, I realized... there's like 14 people left... so I'm just gonna lookat a few interesting ones (like pivotal votes, 3rd voter, votes from people currently sus'd by others).

dip (idk first in order): switched votes most often (7 times), feels very arbitrary. mostly stuck on red based on lurking (also in general lowkey I hella sus the people on the red wagon who sited lurking as the only reason... that somewhat screams low effort scum reasoning, especially since I think there's much more to it...). Seemed intersted in a bb wagon. is that interest still there?

will: final vote on dip feels random, like there's 2 minutes left, the dip wagon is not gonna take off. Feels like trying to take an opportunity to slip off the dip wagon but also avoid the red wagon.

food: honestly? all the votes here don't seem to bad. red lurk vote is as above ig. but also has past history of doing that so... nia

mimi: "I'll move off when..." votes, I kinda get this mindset. NIA, though I can see how it might look bad in others eyes

gonna go hunt for more, I remember this morning on my phone I checked and someone's votes really ticked me off and buzzed me the wrong way... I'll see if I can find it again.

Regarding my point, see a few posts above

Also @King why specifically these three ppl?

[miminena]

The mist rolling back over the heath revealed a beautiful view of East Anglia.

As the village woke, a shrill scream pierced the dawn. A body was found in the village square.

Damo666 has died. He was Friar Damian, the Vanilla Townsperson.

DAY TWO HAS STARTED. YOU CAN POST.

Catching up from here

This is surprising

I’d have to say its probably a PR snipe

Damo was towned by a few people and was noticeably UTR compared to his normal games, which is telling for a PR

However theres another theory that its because the people we are top towning are mafia

Going with the former however I will keep it in mind if the pattern continues

Did damo even get voted yesterday? I feel like he WAS top town - a good reason to kill him.

2 people voted damo, one was probably a joke vote, the other was somewhat arbitrarily chosen from a pool of 3. I don't think anybody really read damo as scum by EoD.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

The mist rolling back over the heath revealed a beautiful view of East Anglia.

As the village woke, a shrill scream pierced the dawn. A body was found in the village square.

Damo666 has died. He was Friar Damian, the Vanilla Townsperson.

DAY TWO HAS STARTED. YOU CAN POST.

Catching up from here

This is surprising

I’d have to say its probably a PR snipe

Damo was towned by a few people and was noticeably UTR compared to his normal games, which is telling for a PR

However theres another theory that its because the people we are top towning are mafia

Going with the former however I will keep it in mind if the pattern continues

Did damo even get voted yesterday? I feel like he WAS top town - a good reason to kill him.

If he was a top town, then I missed something. I felt there were at least a few others higher up on the proverbial totem pole (mimi, king, brain, etc)

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

combo of 1) some sort of motivation for the kill (scum can hide in town reads) and 2) i think it's pretty often historically been the case (this might be a bit fallacious though)?

I understand point #1 in general, I’m wondering why the top 3 specifically

Also I’m not super good at memory with other games so you’d have to show me evidence for point #2 being correct

Altho I dont wanna make you have ‘homework’ lol just to prove a moot point

mostly arbitrarily, top 3, top 5, somewhere in that general direction. Unless there is more... (I'm being dramatic there isn't)

Fair enough

In the top 3 who is the most likely scum iyo?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

oops
mistyped enter

oh shit red is here
##vote red neurax

this is a very weird post

at this point the votes were 6 on red, 3 on ND, 5 on me (I think I might have crossposted ghug's vote but I'm not sure)
I was voting ND, in the hopes of provoking discussion and meaningful votes
-side note but ghug claimed to do literally the same thing by voting me which actually kind of removed a wagon by placing me at 5 and ND at 3. scummy

by this point I was very concerned that the wagon on me might overtake the wagon on red, especially because bozo, miminena and vecna were more likely to vote me if my wagon was tied with red's after red voted me (making it seem like the me wagon was potentially and likely succeeding, bandwagon effect), so I voted red(who was my scumread, after all), to hopefully tip the bandwagoning towards red instead of me

@will
TLDR: with red present, I was done voting for info because red was likely to trigger a bandwagon

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

oops
mistyped enter

this is a very weird post

at this point the votes were 6 on red, 3 on ND, 5 on me (I think I might have crossposted ghug's vote but I'm not sure)
I was voting ND, in the hopes of provoking discussion and meaningful votes
-side note but ghug claimed to do literally the same thing by voting me which actually kind of removed a wagon by placing me at 5 and ND at 3. scummy

by this point I was very concerned that the wagon on me might overtake the wagon on red, especially because bozo, miminena and vecna were more likely to vote me if my wagon was tied with red's after red voted me (making it seem like the me wagon was potentially and likely succeeding, bandwagon effect), so I voted red(who was my scumread, after all), to hopefully tip the bandwagoning towards red instead of me

@will
TLDR: with red present, I was done voting for info because red was likely to trigger a bandwagon

Ah I see

No longer a scummy vote by you

What do you make of the people on your wagon at that point?

[miminena]

Catching up from here

This is surprising

I’d have to say its probably a PR snipe

Damo was towned by a few people and was noticeably UTR compared to his normal games, which is telling for a PR

However theres another theory that its because the people we are top towning are mafia

Going with the former however I will keep it in mind if the pattern continues

Did damo even get voted yesterday? I feel like he WAS top town - a good reason to kill him.

If he was a top town, then I missed something. I felt there were at least a few others higher up on the proverbial totem pole (mimi, king, brain, etc)

to put my two bits in, idt anybody read them strongly as town, but I also think that almost everybody leaned town on them.

[ghug]

This play feels so alien to me I wasnt gone *that* long right

Methinks the guy doth protest too much.