MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[Jamiet99uk]

VOTE COUNT 2.1

foodcoats (2) - DemonRHK, SpiritoftheRadio
ND (1) - ghug
worcej (1) - DiplomacyandWarfare
DemonRHK (1) - brainbomb
Vecna (1) - foodcoats

The bell tolleth for FOODCOATS

Almost 30 hours remain.

[brainbomb]

i don't like this vote; jumping around people like this might be indicative of a warlock, or it could give a warlock cover if they wanted to try the same thing

this isn't a read, I just think we should be careful with throwing votes out now that a night has passed

Worcej seems pretty unlikely to be the daykill today?

fair point, i'm just a bit weary of possible 3p stuff atm, mostly because damo brought it up very early on during day 1, so it's on my mind. I don't really think it means much of anything, just putting my thoughts out there

3p hunting is usually more helpful to mafia than town. The best way to approach a 3p as town is to eliminate scummy people or people out of sync with their meta and quite often it happens naturally - or scum accidentally kills them

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

Will catch up in a few hours but will be gone from superbowl kickoff to tomorrow morning

[brainbomb]

Will catch up in a few hours but will be gone from superbowl kickoff to tomorrow morning

Hes referring to himself in the 3rd person. Must be scum.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

So I was looking at EoD1 (lazily) for people trying to dodge the Judicator (If we have one) and the only one that pings me is Dip.

Obviously, me, not the other 4-5 people who participated in the worcej flashwagon

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

Ah one thing I remember about webdip mafia is that getting opinions out of people is like trying to herd cats

This snarky frustration is very townie.

In this case, yes, because will is right

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

The top wagon is 2 votes and nobody has voted me today, which is making me anxious because I'm likely going to end up flashwagoned at some point.
Moreover, the foodcoats wagon is relatively low-quality, the vecna wagon is going nowhere, and I'm the only one on the worce wagon
And voting ND just encourages ND to make a bigger deal out of the whole situation and his stupid "dip is acting dumb" arc.
but screw it
##vote ND

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

should mention that the demon wagon also looks like it's going nowhere

[foodcoats]

The top wagon is 2 votes and nobody has voted me today, which is making me anxious because I'm likely going to end up flashwagoned at some point.
Moreover, the foodcoats wagon is relatively low-quality, the vecna wagon is going nowhere, and I'm the only one on the worce wagon
And voting ND just encourages ND to make a bigger deal out of the whole situation and his stupid "dip is acting dumb" arc.
but screw it
##vote ND

You seem really agitated considering there are 30 hours or so until EOD… why is that?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

The top wagon is 2 votes and nobody has voted me today, which is making me anxious because I'm likely going to end up flashwagoned at some point.
Moreover, the foodcoats wagon is relatively low-quality, the vecna wagon is going nowhere, and I'm the only one on the worce wagon
And voting ND just encourages ND to make a bigger deal out of the whole situation and his stupid "dip is acting dumb" arc.
but screw it
##vote ND

You seem really agitated considering there are 30 hours or so until EOD… why is that?

Because, like I said, nobody has voted me. If, for example, ND voted me, nobody joined in, and then ND unvoted me, it would be pretty clear that a wagon on me was going nowhere. With 3-4 players just quietly deciding that my EoD play yesterday was horrible, it's more likely that the inevitable wagon on me will attract votes.

And the cherry on top?
I'm likely going to miss EoD today.

[foodcoats]

Obligatory D2 British doom. GET FUZZED.
https://youtu.be/hZf8Guu82yM?si=JzF1WPZNGOILF8UX

[brainbomb]

Its the super bowl today and we have an event to meet anna and elsa from frozen later so the kids are dressed up in costumes. Ill be gone most of the rest of today.

[kingofthepirates]

act done, analysis coming soon.

[ghug]

no no tie

##vote red neurax

Are you sure you hadn't played before?

Just a couple pages earlier you were asking what happens in tie, why do you have a strong opinion?

I've read a game or two before, so I understand that not going through with a day kill is bad, but I wasn't sure how ties were dealt with.

so I think there is probably at least one mafia member who ended on red, but I doubt it was all 3. Bunny, who I think is the only person that ended off of red or worcej, didn't have much interaction with red, and didn't seem to like dw's vote in that regard (599). Bunny, if that's not what you meant, please let me know.

Will was pretty adamant on defending red near the end, and honestly I don't think a mafia would be that dead set on a wagon that's very close to running away. Probably my biggest town read at the moment, but I have only analyzed 2 people so far.

more to come

Just also ended on D&W. I did not like that post of D&W's; it wasn't just the vote it was how he framed it.

It's interesting you analyzed Just but didn't notice him ending on D&W despite you being the person who knew how to work the bot. How did you do that?

I don't get what you're asking, the point of that post was to analyze the two people who were off-wagon at EoD. Also, I double checked the thread, and Will actually ended on worcej

Which games did you read?

[ghug]

Why, exactly was ND a wagon yesterday?
post group 1: "everyone here is horrible at this game and I expect d1 to go horrible. There are no "new" players or "good" players, you're all horrible"
Post group 2: "ghug is stupid and this setup is stupid"
Post group 3: "Please stay on topic. I have a master plan that I'm not telling you. I also refuse to claim town."
Post group 4: "d1 is going horrible as usual. I'm self voting. d1 is terrible"
Post group 5: "go go go get on the red wagon everyone"
Post group all: "#make web dip mafia great again"

ok well that sort of makes sense
I didn't notice anything in particular off about ND but there's almost no reads and basically nothing else besides a gimmick going on here. Low-quality posts all around. Let's see what the reasons behind the votes were, in chronological order:
ghug: "ND said I'm stupid so I'm voting ND"
Red: "The only thing ND has really said is that d1 is going to go terrible"
ND: "I'm self voting because d1 is terrible. #make web dip mafia great again"
Brain: "ND is doing nothing and self voting." (end-vote)
Vecna: "voting ND preserves sanity and also harms 3p" (???)
Me: "This is going horrible and it looks like I'm going to be one of the top wagons. Time to stir the pot"

so...
ND has been incredibly passive and refuses to do anything other than complain

Scumread on that

To be clear, my ND voting is proactive, in that I think he's stupid, unpleasant, and most importantly evil, and I don't want to play a game with him. It was not reactive.

[miminena]

Are you sure you hadn't played before?

Just a couple pages earlier you were asking what happens in tie, why do you have a strong opinion?

I've read a game or two before, so I understand that not going through with a day kill is bad, but I wasn't sure how ties were dealt with.

Just also ended on D&W. I did not like that post of D&W's; it wasn't just the vote it was how he framed it.

It's interesting you analyzed Just but didn't notice him ending on D&W despite you being the person who knew how to work the bot. How did you do that?

I don't get what you're asking, the point of that post was to analyze the two people who were off-wagon at EoD. Also, I double checked the thread, and Will actually ended on worcej

Which games did you read?

i'll see if I can find any of them. I remember which forum one of them was on, but I forget the name of the specific game. i'll spend some time looking for it, it shouldn't be too hard to find

[ghug]

Next wagon I don't quite understand: Spirit
Post group 1: "I am joke posting but Demon made the roleblock post before I could so"
wait
wtf

I believe their early posting was slightly towny because they seemed to want to help town and had an eagerness to play which i see in newere players

will and dip facing off early, knowing the best money is on one of you two getting day oned. prolly both nervous town, but I'd be betting on you if I were the guy

So this is kind of long-winded
but
The 3p is either a witch or a warlock. I think spirit might be the witch referring to the warlock ("the guy" seems like a way of referring to the masculine-associated 3p, especially from the perspective of someone who is the witch). Also seems to be subtly profiling players for potentially prs (the comment about "nervous town" seems like it would be how a vt read would be presented), which also fits with the witch, whose main goal is to find prs!
TLDR: I think spirit is the Witch 3p

post group 2: "everyone thinks I'm a warlock" (???) "and here's some low-quality posts"
post group 3: "shit post, shitpost, shit post. Also brain is correct about saying that this is how I normally post"
Post group 4: "here's a read list" (!!!) "and I'm going to be annoying about the lie detector statement thing"
Post group 5: "here's a theory about voting, and I scumread food" (votes food)
Post group 6: "I always forgot that I'm mafia" (???) "but I'm town. the ND wagon is shitty and here are some posts of similar quality"
Post group 7: "Hi I'm back and I'm voting red because I don't scumread dip or ND, but I am also not joining the worcej wagon"

votes:
ghug: "using '/s' is scummy"
miminena: "I want a town claim from spirit"
food: "I am mad that spirit is scumreading non-posters"
brain: [no reason given]

conclusion: The spirit wagon was shitty and spirit is probably town, although the 3p theory does hold merit, between the stubbornness about claiming town and the potential witch slip
light townread on that

Hoping to see this level of tinfoil in Dip's other posts. It's a good look, but significantly diminished by being the role everyone in the game is trying to solve.

[ghug]

I don't like worcej's plan (regardless of whether I'm on his list) and I think his picks are odd given his motivation (I think damo is actually more motivated to build consensus than most and Vecna's consistently low activity makes him less of that game-driving "good player" than me used to be). I think it's coming from a good place, though, and I think the questionableness of the logic is generally a sign that worcej is letting us see his real thought process.

I quoted this D1 but on re-read it sticks out to me so much I have to quote it again. It does not resemble a ghug post to me at all, and it feels almost “too kind” in how it handles disagreement with worcej.

I don’t think this could be town!ghug reacting to worcej. It feels like it must be scum!ghug either buddying or… doing something?… With a partner.

##VOTE ghug

I don't get this but points for being hung up on something.

[ghug]

That is not what I said

Worcej wants to kill ghug/vecna/damo *purely* on how they act in general

I will find someone based on doing something out of character, and in general scummy

Such as Ghug throwing shade this game rather than making actual reads

When have you ever seen Ghug make a read or reason something? That's like waiting for a cow to fly over the moon?

#Make Web Dip Mafia Great Again

This is an interesting observation to me because of the reasoned post by ghug I posted earlier that feels so unusual to me. It feels like I’m not the only person who feels ghug is pure hipfire with the occasional groan/gripe.

You think I just never do analysis? That's absurd.

[ghug]

I feel like I have never seen ghug make a post like this.

Are ghug and worcej scum together?

Noting the confirmation bias for future reference.

This wasn’t confirmation bias, this was tinfoiling.

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