Mafia XL - A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum

[worcej]

Wow, no last minute posts?

It's not the last minute yet.

Not a literal minute, but I am shocked nothing was posted this past hour.

[DrCJG]

Unfortunately I fucked up and the following is only my rough draft, but the read list is the same and the points are still my thoughts… best of luck Town.

If I am the Observer
I visited Vecna N1 saw nothing
I visited Ghug N2 saw nothing
I visited Squig N3 saw the box go to Balki
I visited Balki N4 saw the box go to Demon and saw Demon kill Balki

If I am the Doctor
I visited Vecna N1
I visited DrCJG N2
I visited ND N3
I visited Squig N4

I look forward to everyone’s wisdom after the game, but for now lets move on and lynch the scum.

Day 5 – Must be looked at with some WIFOM because scum knew that at least one town PR knew they were lieing.

That said, Durga started the day quickly by voting RHK and states that it was silly of RHK to reveal 3 no actions, then questions his decision to visit Worcej.
Durga then assumes RHK is telling the truth and issues a read of flash-ghug-damo(?)-rdr?/bo? … though in the post she claims to be townreading bo

what do we think the scum team is at this point... assuming RHK is telling the truth...

flash - ghug - damo (?) - rdr?/bo?

Ghug talks about being shook bo hasn't obvtowned, never actually pushes him to do so. But also, I'm kinda townreading Bo - I think.

Flash almost seems annoyed that ghug is tunnelling on him - maybe in a scum bussing scum kind of way?

Rdr has left 0 impressions on me yet - I know life is tough in Brazil rn but he's like always reading this thread

Damo... Says shit, means nothing. Spam - all of it is spam, none of it is productive. I can't recall his townie games enough to make a concrete analysis on this.

If it's 4/6 - maybe it's best if we have doc claim at this point. Then we'd have 3 clears to help direct the lynch - although I'm a little scared Squigs is alive - they clearly don't think he can help us out here. I'm actually a little inclined to think ghug is on the scum team because of this night kill.

What a terrible idea

Hey Bozo, while you're here, who's the scum team?

In response to Bozo questioning RHK’s claim… Durga adds Bozo to her scum pool.

SCUM
Durga/Ghug
Rdr/Bo/ND
Bozo/Flash/Damo
Worcej
Squiggs/DrCJG
TOWN

Durga
Durga – D1 votes Bo -> flash -> Bo -> Damo
D2 votes Damo -> Peter
D3 votes Ezio
D4 votes Ike -> Yav-> Balki -> Ike -> flash -> Ike
D5 votes flash

D1 Durga moves to Damo with the wagons tied 4-4-4 Damo-thd-Demon to make them 5-4-4. She provides no reasoning for the move and her previous message was a vote for Bo claiming she hadn’t read and wasn’t going to read. Plenty of time for Damo’s wagon to die but it would seem unlikely that she would take the risk of voting scum!Damo over thd at this point. Returns at end of day the chide the thd wagon.

D2 Durga leaves Damo midway through the day to start the peter wagon in response to peter having admittedly irrational logic and arguments. But, the timing is odd. Damo seems on track to an easy lynch. As a result, Durga’s decision to leave the Damo wagon looks townie unless Damo is actually scum.

D3 Durga votes Ezio, but pretty begrudgingly… personally I felt this statement by her came across as fake and scum looking to test the waters on if they could save Ezio.

Don't actually know if it is a guilty can, and even if it is it could be miller - that being said, I don't think we'll have much discussion anyway so we may as well end. I would like to hear from ezio first tho

##vote ezio

I find Durga’s D4 voting to be odd and I have trouble sorting it out… but I think it seals her spot in my lynch pool… she seems to favor Ike throughout the day and coming into EoD she moves to Ike to make it 5-5-3 Flash-Ike-Demon… in what appears in retrospect an attempt to encourage voting on Flash or Ike… Demon fake claims and she moves from Ike to flash making it 5-5-4 Ike-Flash-Demon… again encouraging votes to move from Demon and then back to Ike to make it 7-4-3 Ike-Flash-Demon.

Furthermore, knowing RHK was scum and Ike was town… IF Durga is scum, it would be a bold move to move to scum!flash in the final minutes with town scrambling… therefore I think it very unlikely Durga and Flash are both scum.
D5 she started (remarkably quickly) with a vote respecting Balki’s wishes and voting RHK she indicated she would be in interviews… but oddly enough she comments twice after my claim during which she makes comments indicating she recognizes I have claimed and that she believes Demon’s argument that I did so to protect Flash/Damo… yet she doesn’t list me as first in her scum list and keeps her vote on Flash.

Lol. This makes no sense. Is damo scum then?

Flash - damo - DRC - ghug(?) worcej(?)

She then reappears soon after the end of the day and claims to be confused yet still capable of repeating the claims of my critics…

Just got out of my last interview and have a reception in 40 minutes. Need to shower and send emails. Wtf is going on I'm so confused.

I also thought the deadline would be an hour later with daylight savings. Why am I so dumb
Also good job on rhk. But why was the counterclaim so late??

I can’t know for sure if she is scum… but town!Durga is better than this…
Which leads me to my other top scum read…

Ghug
From my understanding, Ghug is always an abrasive ass, but something just seems off…

Ghug – D1 votes Damo -> Thd
D2 votes flash -> Szp/Ezio -> flash -> peter
D3 Ezio
D4 Flash -> yav -> flash
D5

D1 – Demon starts the thd wagon with 6 hours to go and the wagons at 4-4-3-2 Peter-Damo-Demon-ND, a safe place to sit incase he needs to move to protect himself…. Jamie/Flash forms to make it 4-3-3-3 Flash-Demon-Peter-Damo… at this point ghug leaves damo and moves to thd… potentially trying to nix the Damo wagon and trying to consolidate with Demon on a new counter wagon away from what could have been scum!flash, scum!Demon, and scum!Damo…. Yav leaves the flash wagon and then Damo and Durga leave the flash wagon… Ghug remains on the thd wagon despite continued voting on damo and demon.

D2 With 22 minutes to go the wagons were 4-2-2-2-2 Damo(?)-Peter(T)-Ike(T)-Peter(T)-Demon(S)-Durga(?) and Ghug moved to Peter to make it 4-3-2-2-2 largely inconclusive, but it could have been a start to consolidate away from Demon and/or Damo/Durga.

D4 Ghug sat on a flash wagon that along with Ike countered Demon

D5 I may be too close to the issue to properly determine if Ghug’s reaction to my claim is fair… I think it is unlikely Ghug/Bo/ND are all scum so obviously some town felt that there wasn’t enough reason to vote RHK… still… N4 Ghug stated that he was suspicious of RHK’s claim and that RHK should claim at EoN with specifics (something RHK didn’t do until start of D5)… he then chides Durga for voting an un cc’d PR, which is fair but ultimately felt like shutting down discussion about RHK’s legitimacy… he then pushed for me to reveal more information, which ultimately felt like an attempt to reveal my identity and potentially that of another PR.

Also I haven’t had the time to check if this statement is consistent with Ghug’s pervious comments… but it is just so inherently wrong….

The only thing dumber than the way you made your claim to begin with would be to claim fully now. You should give us your reads though, since odds are you'll die tonight. Saving them for the end of the night when we can't discuss them has little purpose.

I don't think I care if the scum team can't discuss my reads tonight... why would town benefit from discussing them tonight?

You don't get to discuss them if you're dead. I don't really care about your reads since they're probably stupid, but the "let's not share thoughts until EoN because scum will see" approach has always bugged me. Discussion is good for town

Discussion is key for town… but come on… there is zero reason for the town PR to state his reads during the night and a detailed discussion only aids scum.

Rdr –
D1 votes for demon based on Demon attacking Yavu’s “we” slip… claims he may not be around at the EOD but to vote for Damo or Ike “in this order” … does show up in time asking how thd was so far in the lead (and to make sure Demon was safe?)

He seemed to question RHK’s claim the hardest and for the longest, but it felt like he may have been baiting town PRs to join him.

[Foxcastle]

=====PLEASE HOLD, PHASE HAS ENDED=====

[Foxcastle]

Pseudolus rushes into the forum, sweating and gasping for breath.

"EVERYONE!" he exclaims, and then stops to pant. "You must... huff huff listen to me!"

The crowd murmurs with fear.

"It's—huff huff... it's DrCJG! He's... huff puff huff... oh, man huff...wow, I really have got to get into shape... huff It's damo666, he's d—huff huff, he's d—huff huff..."

Someone shouts at Pseudolus, "Spit it out, man!"

"He's—huff, He's discovered the best little Sicilian restaurant! This little hole in the wall, and I ran all the way here to let you know before it got so popular you couldn't even get a table!"

When they arrived at the restaurant, though, they found only DrCJG's body, face down in a bowl of stew where he had been drowned.

DrCJG HAS DIED. He was Lippus Hyperopius of Rome, the Observer!

[Foxcastle]

=====DAY 6 HAS BEGUN, YOU MAY NOW POST=====

[worcej]

Okay then, now for some scum hunting fun :D

[flash2015]

What the? Why didn't the doctor protect DrCJG??

[worcej]

What the? Why didn't the doctor protect DrCJG??

Driver is alive.

[flash2015]

What the? Why didn't the doctor protect DrCJG??

Driver is alive.

I hope that is the reason.

[ghug]

What the? Why didn't the doctor protect DrCJG??

Driver is alive.

I hope that is the reason.

There were reasons to visit someone else given the existence of the driver and the existence of Squigs, but yeah, this seems most probable.

[worcej]

Bringing this one back to the front from N4:

I'll most likely be mid-tattoo when night ends, so I most likely won't be here @ EON. Here are my thoughts:

1. I am tired of hearing the 'I don't have time for this' excuse - no one is asking you to devote hours and hours into the game, just post some shit and participate. When questioned, put a little bit of effort into it. It's getting old reading that stuff over and over again
2. EOD4, Why did Balki move to Ike over flash? Also, why did Durga move and then re-move?
3. I have a scum lean on Durga now - at first I thought she was a PR just trying to stay hidden, but I've moved beyond that to thinking she is faking it more this game. Her actions so far have struck me as defensive, very uninterested in responding to any form of questioning from others, and trying to make it look like she is solving. Voting patterns seem to be sheeping instead of leading, while posting she seems to be trying to lead.
4. I am at the point where I feel the Durga-Balki interactions are fake. It all is starting to feel forced to me. This is moving my Balki is scum meter up substantially.
5. I have a tough time getting a lean towards town for either bozo/DrCJG based on how they have played. Just a gut feeling, fleshing it out currently with re-reads and some typical WIFOM logic.
6. I am skeptical on the Demon claim, but leaning more towards town - it came when he was only tied for the top, not actually in the line of fire. I'd expect that claim to come later if he doesn't have anything substantial, but since he fired it when he did it must mean he has some substance to provide tonight.

For shits and giggles, scum team is looking like Durga/Balki/bozo/DrCJG, in order of how strong I feel. We'll see how things turn out tonight to move forward with votes tomorrow :)

This, along with the analysis that DrCJG also did, makes me lean towards her as a good start to the scum hunting.

##vote Durga

[flash2015]

Sure, sounds reasonable:

##VOTE Durga

[ghug]

Discussion is key for town… but come on… there is zero reason for the town PR to state his reads during the night and a detailed discussion only aids scum.

I look forward to dying so that I can go to the God thread and read xorxes/Balki/Vecna reaming you for this nonsense.

[ghug]

I don't think Durga's scumgame has improved that much.

##VOTE flash

Could be convinced to move to bozo, worcej, or ND, but flash needs to fucking flip.

[worcej]

Both doc and observed should visit Squigs.

But then the observer will observe the doctor visiting, which would lead to a false read. If mafia wants me dead, the doctor can't stop that from happening.

You're assuming driver isn't used up. Which I'd be shocked about.

Why on D4 did you think the driver would be used up? What would make you think the driver would use their drives on N1, N2, and N3 for?

I believe you want us to think that the drives were gone so that we would be complacent.

[flash2015]

I don't think Durga's scumgame has improved that much.

##VOTE flash

Could be convinced to move to bozo, worcej, or ND, but flash needs to fucking flip.

Sure, if you need to do it, do it today while we are still at 7-3.

[Durga]

Yeah honestly I've been pure shit this game. I'd probably vote me too if I wasn't me. But I'm not scum, I'm just busy. As much as that excuse sucks. And my excuse on my shit demon read is mostly that he seems the same as town and scum. But also, why do you think I'd openly defend a goon if I knew he was a goon? Especially when he's under that much pressure. I'd probably have bussed him there to get credit. Anyway, I'll try to engage tomorrow. Have more things to do tonight. Sorry

[Durga]

Also not going to vote yet because I've genuinely not read the thread since Sunday. Have no clue what's happening.

[ghug]

But then the observer will observe the doctor visiting, which would lead to a false read. If mafia wants me dead, the doctor can't stop that from happening.

You're assuming driver isn't used up. Which I'd be shocked about.

Why on D4 did you think the driver would be used up? What would make you think the driver would use their drives on N1, N2, and N3 for?

I believe you want us to think that the drives were gone so that we would be complacent.

When Durga and I were scum together, we used all of our drives as early as possible, and it worked very well for us (we killed all the PRs early and ended up winning in spite of town going 4/4 on lynches to start the game).

[Squigs44]

Sure, sounds reasonable:

##VOTE Durga

Durgas not the right vote today. And you need to stop sheeping.

##vote flash