MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[foodcoats]

I don't like worcej's plan (regardless of whether I'm on his list) and I think his picks are odd given his motivation (I think damo is actually more motivated to build consensus than most and Vecna's consistently low activity makes him less of that game-driving "good player" than me used to be). I think it's coming from a good place, though, and I think the questionableness of the logic is generally a sign that worcej is letting us see his real thought process.

I feel like I have never seen ghug make a post like this.

Are ghug and worcej scum together?

Noting the confirmation bias for future reference.

This wasn’t confirmation bias, this was tinfoiling.

[foodcoats]

@Spirit I’d like you to say

“I am town”

no, i dont think i will

I purposefully dodge the question to see who would join my wagon since I'd be an easy target. Once ghug voted me and ND started posturing at me without using my name, I just sat back and waited to see who would join the wagon. Out of the people, floodcoats seems the least legit

##vote floodcoats

Read his posts, he comes off as way too opportunistic and jumped on me when he saw the wind blow towards me since ghug, bb, and ND are usually good at getting sway with people. I dont think ghug or bb will be on me for long anyway and were doing a similar thing that I was, and I think we caught floodcoats. Mimi is new, I don't think this is as clear cut with them, they're just lie detector pilled like will, I think.

It should also be noted that I've made scannable statements saying im VT and warlock if people really wanted to, but I know what I am and no one is wasting a lie detector on me. Nor is there even a confirmed lie detector in the game. Like if people really want me to, I'll make the statement, but rn every impulse in my body says I need to old man captain america this for petty reasons

This idea that not saying the thing Will wanted would make Spirit an easy wagon and hence he could catch scum by seeing who went on his wagon is… town indicative lol.

[ND]

@Dip&War: If you have read all my posts then you would have seen my interaction with Damo during Night #1 where we discuss this. I am of the opinion that it was T(ND) v T(Red) v T? (Dip&War) v T (Worcej)

-Worcej, I have basically ruled out due to his actions -see EON analysis
-Red was town.
-I am town.

I talk about you in my EON analysis and give my take on your behavior + the larger picture at EOD#1. There was very little movement during the latter parts of the day. I talk about it at length and it is important for how EOD (sub 25 minutes goes).

Anyway, I think your motives are questionable. I find it unlikely that you are mafia, but not impossible. I find it more likely that you are town or a 3rd party.

[Vecna]

ND, you made mention of me talking about your behavioural differences, and noted you'd get back to that. But you didnt in your wall.

Spent some words

[Vecna]

i think both of ya are barking up the wrong tree, throwing out gut reads before half an hour's even past. but it seems fun, so I'll join ya, woof woof :3

neutral read of will, seems like normal will behavior. don't remember if dip was always this cynical but idk the vibes aren't my favorite rn :< tiny lean scum me thinks.

pirates is making reads. thats new

Vecna, were you suggesting that KotP might be scum? Or was this merely an observation? What is you read of KotP currently?

It was merely an observation. I have no reason to suspect KotP

[bozotheclown]

Sorry Red Neurax.

[ND]

ND, you made mention of me talking about your behavioural differences, and noted you'd get back to that. But you didnt in your wall.

Spent some words

Correct.

[Vecna]

The only things I did which could be considered a hedge was say ND and Mimi were coin flips. I gave you my theory mafia team + 3p, in no world is that a hedge. You are tunneled because you're only capable of reading everything through a narrative where dip is scum and fill in all other details based on that. I disagree with your read, therefore I must be scummy and therefore hedged in my reads, evidence isn't there though, friend.

“Yeah town, but isn’t he the guy who would do that and then end up being mafia?”

“I’d be impressed if this was his mafia game but also he is supposed to be pretty good”

“Hes a coin flip”

“I felt they were mostly town in the beginning but the way they keep shifting their vote as kind of a follower trying to bring around pressure and hedging (something like: I'll move my vote as soon as I get an answer) doesn't feel right. But also new person, so I gotta given it some bandwidth, most malleable read going forward.”

“He lurking, but less than normal? I feel like he feels town but I don't have a good scope of what mafia him looks like. Slight town for now.”


Then we have different definitions of a hedge. A hedge is where you give a read on something but intentionally offer a possible explanation as to why this could be wrong. This is used to make it so mafia players can easily change reads on a dime based on what thread is feeling.This is done frequently and more often from mafia who would like an excuse to flip flop reads later on. (There are some examples above)

And no. I do not scumread people for disagreeing with me. People who I have outwardly disagreed with, such as Worcej, are in my townreads.

Evidence is not there, thats correct

However there is zero evidence that we have at all. Its a crapshoot, especially since the most justification for the Red D1 kill was ‘well they were lurking’

Therefore I am reading into things without much evidence

Thats the game

Hedging isn't scummy.

Ghug is finally spreading the gospel

Heding comes from town much more often since its harder to fabricate a proper sounding hedge

[Vecna]

ND, you made mention of me talking about your behavioural differences, and noted you'd get back to that. But you didnt in your wall.

Spent some words

Correct.

I already know that. Try and be as intellectual as you would have us believe you are.

[foodcoats]

I dont like how people piledon ghug

I am the only one who voted for ghug after you, who are the other "people" you are referring to?

Hmm that’s interesting. Neat catch bozo. I think that’s scum points for Will.

[bozotheclown]

Well I was sure Red was scum after that last-second tie vote, so that's disappointing.

Considering he was a town PR, trying to tie the vote to save himself was a reasonable move. If D1 was not extended by 10 seconds, the vote would have been tied.

If you thought Red Neurax was likely scum at the point, why didn't you change your vote to try to break the tie?

[foodcoats]

hmm... Will has been a bit weird about ghug throughout the day imo; they went from a slight read, to emphatically voting them, to feeling iffy about the wagon with little in-between. Not sure if this means anything, but it feels like an opportunity vote on a pretty arbitrary wagon.

This isn't very strong reasoning, but I am trigger happy, and would prefer to build up pressure on people other than ghug, so:

##vote JustAGuyNamedWill

Just like my vote on spirit, i'm ready to move off once a defense arrives



I don't exactly get why we should do this after having already claimed, but I can't see it being bad for town. I am not third party.



why not paired with worcej?

Or me?

It is an amazing coincidence that these posts were 14 seconds apart considering it was over an hour after DiplomacyandWarfare's post. It seems like a good indication that miminena and worcej are on the same team. I calculate that they are about 6 times more likely to both be town than mafia (by random chance).

Take 14x6 scum points. Oof.

Bunny, what triggered you so hard about this? It seems like bozo must be your number 1 scum read?

[bozotheclown]

so I think there is probably at least one mafia member who ended on red, but I doubt it was all 3. Bunny, who I think is the only person that ended off of red or worcej, didn't have much interaction with red, and didn't seem to like dw's vote in that regard (599). Bunny, if that's not what you meant, please let me know.

Will was pretty adamant on defending red near the end, and honestly I don't think a mafia would be that dead set on a wagon that's very close to running away. Probably my biggest town read at the moment, but I have only analyzed 2 people so far.

more to come

I think a mafia defending a town when they are at risk of being DKed to look "correct" later is common enough that there is a term for it.

[bozotheclown]

##vote red neurax

##VOTE WORCEJ

sorry dude

no no tie

##vote red neurax

These vote were within 2 second of each other, so I assume they were all reactions to Red Neurax's vote that caused a tie.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

@Dip&War: If you have read all my posts then you would have seen my interaction with Damo during Night #1 where we discuss this. I am of the opinion that it was T(ND) v T(Red) v T? (Dip&War) v T (Worcej)

-Worcej, I have basically ruled out due to his actions -see EON analysis
-Red was town.
-I am town.

I talk about you in my EON analysis and give my take on your behavior + the larger picture at EOD#1. There was very little movement during the latter parts of the day. I talk about it at length and it is important for how EOD (sub 25 minutes goes).

Anyway, I think your motives are questionable. I find it unlikely that you are mafia, but not impossible. I find it more likely that you are town or a 3rd party.

This being the part where you retreat on the "dip may be town but he's playing badly" thing to discredit my suspicion of you?
still not convinced

[ND]

ND, you made mention of me talking about your behavioural differences, and noted you'd get back to that. But you didnt in your wall.

Spent some words

Correct.

I already know that. Try and be as intellectual as you would have us believe you are.

Lol. I might circle back to this. I have to do some other things right now.

[bozotheclown]

##VOTE DIP

sorry worcej wagoners I want this over worcej a teensy bit

It was very unlikely DiplomacyandWarfare would be DKed with 1 minute to go. Why didn't you vote your preference between worcej and Red Neurax?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

##VOTE DIP

sorry worcej wagoners I want this over worcej a teensy bit

It was very unlikely DiplomacyandWarfare would be DKed with 1 minute to go. Why didn't you vote your preference between worcej and Red Neurax?

oh look bozo is here
next lurker who I scumread:
##vote worcej

[foodcoats]

Did you ever feel this same way about the way worcej was playing earlier?

I'm not quite sure I understand the question.

I meant what worcej was doing was somewhat of a shtick, it took up alot of time and thread energy. I wondered if you at any point felt like what he was doing was creating a lack of clearheadedness

I’m not sure how ghug answered… but brain, I would be interested in your response to your own question…

[brainbomb]

Worcej not claiming at end of day could be explained if he was 3rd party. He would not have had time to claim 3p and also convince town that he would be willing to townside.

It seems less likely he would fail to claim as pr or enable inno child there; unless there was some baked in rule that you cant activate inno child in final five mins.

And as mafia he couldve claimed any pr and just tried to make it roll.

I lean on worcej just being town based on ND’s analysis.