MAFIA 92 - The return of the Witchfinder General [GAME THREAD]

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

oops
mistyped enter

oh shit red is here
##vote red neurax

this is a very weird post

at this point the votes were 6 on red, 3 on ND, 5 on me (I think I might have crossposted ghug's vote but I'm not sure)
I was voting ND, in the hopes of provoking discussion and meaningful votes
-side note but ghug claimed to do literally the same thing by voting me which actually kind of removed a wagon by placing me at 5 and ND at 3. scummy

by this point I was very concerned that the wagon on me might overtake the wagon on red, especially because bozo, miminena and vecna were more likely to vote me if my wagon was tied with red's after red voted me (making it seem like the me wagon was potentially and likely succeeding, bandwagon effect), so I voted red(who was my scumread, after all), to hopefully tip the bandwagoning towards red instead of me

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

-----------------------------Most town vibes
DiplomacyandWarfare
JustAGuyNamedWill
kingofthepirates
N.D.
Brainbomb
BunnyGo
damo666
miminena
Ghug
DemonRHK
-------------------------------least town vibes

non-posters:
Red Neurax
Foodcoats
bozo
Vecna

Spirit, when you posted this, both Red and I HAD posted.

Can you explain how you ended up posting this? What was the process and the thinking? To me it’s difficult to believe this town/scum ranking is authentic because you clearly had not been paying attention to the game.

good catch food
spirit is pre-typing posts and posting them as if they're up to date
basically no reason for town to do this

[foodcoats]

well I have a light scumread on you "off gut"

i think both of ya are barking up the wrong tree, throwing out gut reads before half an hour's even past. but it seems fun, so I'll join ya, woof woof :3

neutral read of will, seems like normal will behavior. don't remember if dip was always this cynical but idk the vibes aren't my favorite rn :< tiny lean scum me thinks.

pirates is making reads. thats new

Vecna, were you suggesting that KotP might be scum? Or was this merely an observation? What is you read of KotP currently?

[foodcoats]

shit now everyone knows im a warlock

aw beans

spirit seems pretty jovial and freeposting. very expressive and some actual thoughts mixed in.

Is Vecna normally in the range of “pointless exposition?”

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

##vote bozo
didn't see much from this d1 other than sheeping other people's wagons. Also, zero posts today
#NoLurking

[foodcoats]

This does feel like giving yourself an excuse to not catch any scum this game.

That is not what I said

Worcej wants to kill ghug/vecna/damo *purely* on how they act in general

I will find someone based on doing something out of character, and in general scummy

Such as Ghug throwing shade this game rather than making actual reads

When have you ever seen Ghug make a read or reason something? That's like waiting for a cow to fly over the moon?

#Make Web Dip Mafia Great Again

This is an interesting observation to me because of the reasoned post by ghug I posted earlier that feels so unusual to me. It feels like I’m not the only person who feels ghug is pure hipfire with the occasional groan/gripe.

[foodcoats]

I find "kill the scummy player" results in making very uninformed votes on D1 and just leads to a random kill within 5 minutes of phase change.

just get better at it and realize that people trying hard to act towny and being fake as fuck is what you should focus on instead.

I dont get why youre making this case though.

You never get involved day1.

This great concern for the common good feels like we should sniff you a bit more

I’m more and more interested in Vecna’s “worcej arc.” It’s like Vecna was coaching worcej - or buddying?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

unpopular opinion:
I townread food
Maybe it's just that food is posting right now
Maybe it's the pfp
Maybe it's the actually thought-out reads
but I think food is town

[foodcoats]

I don't like worcej's plan (regardless of whether I'm on his list) and I think his picks are odd given his motivation (I think damo is actually more motivated to build consensus than most and Vecna's consistently low activity makes him less of that game-driving "good player" than me used to be). I think it's coming from a good place, though, and I think the questionableness of the logic is generally a sign that worcej is letting us see his real thought process.

TL;DR - "worcej is town because his opinion is bad."

happy worcej because his strategy is working?

in my experience scum Worcej is a lot more involved day1 to get people to townread him. He usually puts in a lot of effort in sounding towny.

Im not sure if thats what were seeing here, but Ghugs assuredness that that is what this is does not ring accurate.

But I guess im just not building a concensus with hivemind ghug

Deeper and deeper…

The range of ghug, worcej, and Vecna for votes today feels good to me.

[ND]

Just doing a bit of catchup.

“the reads post you posted, plus he posted once about it being ghug and red as a scum team on page 32. He was also notably a dip defender which makes me think its less likely dip is mafia since killing him would increase the ratio of pitchforks against him.” (SpiritoftheRadio)

-The speculation on Damo’s death is fine. I want to say a couple of things about it since it dominates the conversation on Page 49. I did a quick look back at Damo and he was pushing for verified statements. If I had to speculate then I would reason that is the more likely reason as opposed to a read on ghug or bunny from a gut-check list 24 hours into the game.
-As for Diplomacy&Warfare and Damo. I think this is a bit of a fallacy. Although I have already ruled Dip&Warfare out for the most part in my analysis which me and Damo interacted about previous.
-There’s a bit more commentary from this player regarding ‘late game’ Damo. I don’t really know what this means. It doesn’t have anything to do with the here and now though.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

I find "kill the scummy player" results in making very uninformed votes on D1 and just leads to a random kill within 5 minutes of phase change.

just get better at it and realize that people trying hard to act towny and being fake as fuck is what you should focus on instead.

I dont get why youre making this case though.

You never get involved day1.

This great concern for the common good feels like we should sniff you a bit more

I’m more and more interested in Vecna’s “worcej arc.” It’s like Vecna was coaching worcej - or buddying?

Quite likely a buddying attempt. Notably, worcej has continually expressed scumreads of vecna

[ND]

it's worth keeping an eye on anybody who claimed vt and not town imo

a quick search revealed this to be only worcej i believe? dip has it in quotations, spirits has the "not not" thing, but everyone else either said the "I am one of:..." thing or directly "I am town"

Worcej under extreme pressure also said he would be the most worthless kill ever while proclaiming chaos ball. That would align with a VT statement lol. I do a lot of speculation about him in my EOD analysis and would be shocked if he was scum.

[ND]

I think mafia predominantly pushed red based on the damo kill and on the fact they wanted to avoid pushing high profile players

@Brainbomb
-How do you define a high profile player? Someone who posts frequently? High frequency poster? Someone who is insightful? Someone who has a meta history of success or winning? I don't know how to take that statement because it can mean different things.

[ND]

isn't it a bit late in the day to be making joke votes? especially since in #608 you seemed pretty convinced about red, and now you're moving off them without warning, to a mostly nonviable wagon. is this just your way of unvoting while still meeting participation requirements?

On the other hand… this post is really perceptive about a very small detail… and mimi had a detailed “ranking of wagons” earlier… and while that could be enthusiastic new town… it actually resembles how I remember playing scum myself… getting really, really detail focused because you’re not actually solving… hmm…

Scum mimi?

This post deserves note

Read my EOD analysis and my analysis correction after a dialogue with Mimi.

[ND]

ND completely changed into deep analytical and I love the change. I remember this version of ND from the old days and its very nice.

ND has never been analytical. Sometimes he vomits words onto the page.

Do you have a problem with me stating my analysis?

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

[clipped for being a truely excessively long post]
-DiplomacyandWarfare doesn’t like people voting in the last 25 minutes it is to quote, “very scummy”. He states this several times, again commenting that Will “showed up less than 20 minutes before EoD”

I said I don't like people who only vote in the last 25 minutes, and aren't present for discussion beforehand.

-DemonRHK votes DiplomacyandWarfare. DiplomacyandWarfare clearly is defensive. He doesn’t like the vote. He accuses DemonRHK and Red of being mafia, “you stand accused of deliberately not posting until your buddy red neurax was in danger of dying.” Obviously Red isn’t mafia so this is a disproved accusation. If DemonRHK is scum then why bother to post at all if Wagon C is getting momentum? If DemonRHK is scum then he could be trying to get ‘town vibes’ from Spirit (at least) for showing up to put Wagon B overboard but that only works if DiplomacyWarfare is scum.
-DiplomacyandWarfare votes for me with 17 minutes remaining. Miminena says, “now I might actually have to think about who to vote.” Interesting, so you haven’t thought about it? You softed a vote on Red already on Page 36.

-yes, I wonder why I didn't like demon's vote. It's not like I was very frustrated with people only appearing in the last 30 minutes of the day, as I had already said. Clearly, this is me being defensive, and not a policy that I had already stated several times

[clipped for length]
-DiplomacyandWarfare states anyone voting in the last ten minutes is scummy. He cites Damo as an example of this behavior.

Seriously? At the risk of repeating myself, voting in the last ten minutes after lurking through d1, especially the second half of it, is scummy. Flashwagoning is not scummy on its own.

[clipped for length]
DiplomacyandWarfare is strange. His mannerisms are strange. His statements are strange. That doesn’t make him scum. He reads like a terrified child afraid of being eliminated. You have to face elimination and sometimes be eliminated to shake the fear. He complains that people vote in the last 30 minutes. He complains about people changing their votes. He wants to live. He is willing to do anything to live. Join any wagon. This may be scum indicative, it may be third party indicative, it may be town indicative. It’s too early to say.
[clipped for length]

Exactly how am I willing to join "any wagon?"
I scumread red, so I voted red
I scumread worcej, so I voted worcej
Voting you also deliberately disproves your hypothesis. The best way to stop the wagon on me would be voting red at that point. Instead I voted you, as I stated, because I wanted more info.



Conclusion: ND's analysis of me is entirely stupid, probably didn't even read all my posts.

[ND]

Why, exactly was ND a wagon yesterday?
post group 1: "everyone here is horrible at this game and I expect d1 to go horrible. There are no "new" players or "good" players, you're all horrible"
Post group 2: "ghug is stupid and this setup is stupid"
Post group 3: "Please stay on topic. I have a master plan that I'm not telling you. I also refuse to claim town."
Post group 4: "d1 is going horrible as usual. I'm self voting. d1 is terrible"
Post group 5: "go go go get on the red wagon everyone"
Post group all: "#make web dip mafia great again"

ok well that sort of makes sense
I didn't notice anything in particular off about ND but there's almost no reads and basically nothing else besides a gimmick going on here. Low-quality posts all around. Let's see what the reasons behind the votes were, in chronological order:
ghug: "ND said I'm stupid so I'm voting ND"
Red: "The only thing ND has really said is that d1 is going to go terrible"
ND: "I'm self voting because d1 is terrible. #make web dip mafia great again"
Brain: "ND is doing nothing and self voting." (end-vote)
Vecna: "voting ND preserves sanity and also harms 3p" (???)
Me: "This is going horrible and it looks like I'm going to be one of the top wagons. Time to stir the pot"

so...
ND has been incredibly passive and refuses to do anything other than complain

Scumread on that

that was funny

[ND]

"Exactly how am I willing to join "any wagon?"
I scumread red, so I voted red
I scumread worcej, so I voted worcej
Voting you also deliberately disproves your hypothesis. The best way to stop the wagon on me would be voting red at that point. Instead I voted you, as I stated, because I wanted more info.



Conclusion: ND's analysis of me is entirely stupid, probably didn't even read all my posts." (Diplomacy&Warfare)

The facts are immutable. You vote for every other major wagon during EOD. You vote for Red, you vote for me, you vote for Red, you vote for Worcej.

I think my analysis stands on your actions. I don't know who you scumread at any given moment or what your personal justification for a vote is. I just have your votes and posts to read and to draw my own conclusions from. Which I did.

As it stands, you read like a terrified man child wildly jumping from wagon to wagon. And as I said, you are a strange case so its something I am monitoring closely.

[DiplomacyandWarfare]

"Exactly how am I willing to join "any wagon?"
I scumread red, so I voted red
I scumread worcej, so I voted worcej
Voting you also deliberately disproves your hypothesis. The best way to stop the wagon on me would be voting red at that point. Instead I voted you, as I stated, because I wanted more info.



Conclusion: ND's analysis of me is entirely stupid, probably didn't even read all my posts." (Diplomacy&Warfare)

The facts are immutable. You vote for every other major wagon during EOD. You vote for Red, you vote for me, you vote for Red, you vote for Worcej.

I think my analysis stands on your actions. I don't know who you scumread at any given moment or what your personal justification for a vote is. I just have your votes and posts to read and to draw my own conclusions from. Which I did.

As it stands, you read like a terrified man child wildly jumping from wagon to wagon. And as I said, you are a strange case so its something I am monitoring closely.

hmm. Is ND trying to anger me, discredit me, or encourage a vote on me without being obvious about it?
possibly all three

[foodcoats]

Original post:
ngl, looking at past games idt ND was anywhere near as cynical as this game.
perhaps gimmick, perhaps mixing up play style, but regardless, not a fan, vibes are all off (slight scum tilt? I still like the game relevant posts, but gut is calling smth is a bit off) :<

Response to new post I saw before posting:

Nd if you’re mafia you have the opportunity to do the funniest thing ever

Also ND is towny off vibes

it'd be hilarious.

anything other than vibes to call ND town?

No

But to elaborate, he has had some classic ‘nd’isms such as ‘theres no new players’ and stuff like that which I dont really see wolf!ND making

Will, have you played with scum!ND? How does ND play scum?